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Weight loss can be tied to when, not just what, you eat - CNN article
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It does have an effect on fat loss.
No. And as mentioned above, you're moving the goalposts.
Science:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494
I stand by my original comment that someone who exercises significantly probably isn't 'sedentary' for the rest of their time, even if they have a desk job.
There are many studies that do identify a thermogenic afterburn, plus others that dispute this point (which wasn't even the basis of my original feedback to the OP)1 -
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Article talks about research showing that frontloading calories (eat more calories early) may lead to more weight loss. Two groups consuming the same calories lost different amounts of weight - the early eaters lost more. It goes on to talk about how "metabolic circadian rhythms" of the body result in people burning calories at different rates through the day. It says in most cases the body burns calories at a faster rate early compared to later in the day.
So skipping breakfast may be a double whammy. 1) Skipping breakfast increases the likelihood of overeating later in the day and potentially eating less healthy (more sweets, chips, etc.). 2) The body metabolism will burn the calories you consume earlier at a faster rate than the calories consumed later.
If you want to read the article just search on the title of this discussion topic using your favorite search engine.
So if I spend most of my money in the morning instead of the evening I have more money?10 -
It does have an effect on fat loss.
No. And as mentioned above, you're moving the goalposts.
Science:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494
I stand by my original comment that someone who exercises significantly probably isn't 'sedentary' for the rest of their time, even if they have a desk job.
There are many studies that do identify a thermogenic afterburn, plus others that dispute this point (which wasn't even the basis of my original feedback to the OP)
The afterburn is called epoc and is, like most of these things, way smaller than its proponents seem to know/believe/trying to make you believe.6 -
stevencloser wrote: »It does have an effect on fat loss.
No. And as mentioned above, you're moving the goalposts.
Science:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494
I stand by my original comment that someone who exercises significantly probably isn't 'sedentary' for the rest of their time, even if they have a desk job.
There are many studies that do identify a thermogenic afterburn, plus others that dispute this point (which wasn't even the basis of my original feedback to the OP)
The afterburn is called epoc and is, like most of these things, way smaller than its proponents seem to know/believe/trying to make you believe.
Yep: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17101527
EPOC has been overexaggerated for quite some time. Especially considering, it's largely only found in athletes.
"However, even those studies incorporating exercise stimuli resulting in prolonged EPOC durations have identified that the EPOC comprises only 6-15% of the net total oxygen cost of the exercise. But this figure may need to be increased when studies utilizing intermittent work bouts are designed to allow the determination of rest interval EPOCs, which should logically contribute to the EPOC determined following the cessation of the last work bout. Notwithstanding the aforementioned, the earlier research optimism regarding an important role for the EPOC in weight loss is generally unfounded. This is further reinforced by acknowledging that the exercise stimuli required to promote a prolonged EPOC are unlikely to be tolerated by non-athletic individuals. The role of exercise in the maintenance of body mass is therefore predominantly mediated via the cumulative effect of the energy expenditure during the actual exercise"10 -
Penthesilea514 wrote: »Penthesilea514 wrote: »There was weight loss in both groups (from the two 2013 studies linked in the article), so I guess pick whichever works best for you and your schedule. All I know is eating breakfast larger than my coffee usually made me hungrier at lunch and dinner and I had a tendency to eat more throughout the day. I am also not super interested in "faster" weight loss, more finding what is sustainable for me in the long run.
You are going to do very well!
Thank you! I am trying
I would say you're kicking azz!1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »The thing that cracks me up about articles like this is that I know from years of reading the forums that not only is meal timing irrelevant, but more to the point, there is an optimal way of timing your meals that's uniquely suited to each individual and that has more to do with satiety and compliance than it does with optimizing fat loss.
In the end, these articles that get all breathless about rates of fat loss really, really bug me because they lure people in with the ever hopeful promise of the "hack", and all of us who are in this for the long haul have long since seen our way past all the quick-fixes promoted in the world of weight loss. Since none of them matter because there's never really a finish line, what's the point of trying to rush to it by taking on a meal style/macro split/food choices/fill in this blank with the newest media promise for faster weight loss that doesn't suit your personal preferences and lead you to greater satisfaction, compliance, and satiety?
I read the article and part of the linked study and came to the conclusion that what it appeared to show was that people who actively and aggressively managed their satiety were less likely to graze/snack on less desirable food late in the day when will power starts breaking down.4 -
Spartan_Gingi wrote: »I will say that I cut back my carb intake at the end of the day, and mainly stick with proteins. That's been the breakthrough I needed to break my 2 months + plateau. We're all different. Different strokes for different folks.
so you replaced calorie dense foods (carbs) with foods that tend to be less calorie dense (protein) that is what resulted in your loss.
and we are all the same when it comes to weight loss CI<CO3 -
Meal timing matters in terms of weight loss vs. fat loss which ARE very different. Your body doesn't function on a daily, weekly or monthly cycle. It works second by second, moment by moment, in real time to change your body. I am not saying its as dramatic as people make it out to seem but if you find the right meal timing FOR YOUR BODY then you will see better results than doing it differntly. Some people (like myself) never feel hungry in the morning, so guess what, probably shouldn't force yourself to eat in the morning. My gf on the other hand always seems famished in the mornings so she eats a high protein breakfast. I am not saying that the study is right or wrong, I am just saying that just hitting calories for the day/week/month, will cause WEIGHT LOSS no matter what. Hitting calories based on the appropriate times (when you feel hungry, post workout, pre workout, etc.) will AID in a more efficient FAT LOSS in addition to weight loss.
Because it affects satiety, adherence and workout performance. Not because eating at any particular time conveys any metabolic advantage in terms of weight/fat loss.
It does have an effect on fat loss. It's easy to say yeah I lost X amount weight so I must be only losing fat when I save most of my calories for the night and eat whatever I want. But when you are actually diligent and pay very close attention to your weight, LBM, and body fat percentage you will find that you will lose weight either way and it will be relatively similar, but you will have more FAT LOSS if you appropriately time your meals and eat more nutrient dense foods. If your sole goal is to lose 20 pounds and you don't care if you lose muscle or fat then just eat 500 cal a day to satisfy your mind, you will lose a good amount of fat no doubt, but you will also lose a noticeable amount of muscle.
Most people would not like the outcome of that.
Meal timingonly matters for athletes and advanced trainee's matters.
fixed it for you ...5 -
CNN - expanding their fake news into the Health and Nutrition portion of their website10
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I eat 90% of my calories between 4pm and midnight. Lost 151lbs and holding. MATH. SCIENCE.10
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stanmann571 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »The thing that cracks me up about articles like this is that I know from years of reading the forums that not only is meal timing irrelevant, but more to the point, there is an optimal way of timing your meals that's uniquely suited to each individual and that has more to do with satiety and compliance than it does with optimizing fat loss.
In the end, these articles that get all breathless about rates of fat loss really, really bug me because they lure people in with the ever hopeful promise of the "hack", and all of us who are in this for the long haul have long since seen our way past all the quick-fixes promoted in the world of weight loss. Since none of them matter because there's never really a finish line, what's the point of trying to rush to it by taking on a meal style/macro split/food choices/fill in this blank with the newest media promise for faster weight loss that doesn't suit your personal preferences and lead you to greater satisfaction, compliance, and satiety?
I read the article and part of the linked study and came to the conclusion that what it appeared to show was that people who actively and aggressively managed their satiety were less likely to graze/snack on less desirable food late in the day when will power starts breaking down.
Ah, there you go. I didn't read the article. It's funny. Delaying meal time helps me manage my satiety. Boom. Shows you can't make sweeping statements, CNN clickbait writers.3 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »The thing that cracks me up about articles like this is that I know from years of reading the forums that not only is meal timing irrelevant, but more to the point, there is an optimal way of timing your meals that's uniquely suited to each individual and that has more to do with satiety and compliance than it does with optimizing fat loss.
In the end, these articles that get all breathless about rates of fat loss really, really bug me because they lure people in with the ever hopeful promise of the "hack", and all of us who are in this for the long haul have long since seen our way past all the quick-fixes promoted in the world of weight loss. Since none of them matter because there's never really a finish line, what's the point of trying to rush to it by taking on a meal style/macro split/food choices/fill in this blank with the newest media promise for faster weight loss that doesn't suit your personal preferences and lead you to greater satisfaction, compliance, and satiety?
I read the article and part of the linked study and came to the conclusion that what it appeared to show was that people who actively and aggressively managed their satiety were less likely to graze/snack on less desirable food late in the day when will power starts breaking down.
Ah, there you go. I didn't read the article. It's funny. Delaying meal time helps me manage my satiety. Boom. Shows you can't make sweeping statements, CNN clickbait writers.
I saw the article a week or so back...before it was posted... I thought it was interesting... and honestly not a bad study... certainly an aweful headline though1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »The thing that cracks me up about articles like this is that I know from years of reading the forums that not only is meal timing irrelevant, but more to the point, there is an optimal way of timing your meals that's uniquely suited to each individual and that has more to do with satiety and compliance than it does with optimizing fat loss.
In the end, these articles that get all breathless about rates of fat loss really, really bug me because they lure people in with the ever hopeful promise of the "hack", and all of us who are in this for the long haul have long since seen our way past all the quick-fixes promoted in the world of weight loss. Since none of them matter because there's never really a finish line, what's the point of trying to rush to it by taking on a meal style/macro split/food choices/fill in this blank with the newest media promise for faster weight loss that doesn't suit your personal preferences and lead you to greater satisfaction, compliance, and satiety?
I read the article and part of the linked study and came to the conclusion that what it appeared to show was that people who actively and aggressively managed their satiety were less likely to graze/snack on less desirable food late in the day when will power starts breaking down.
Ah, there you go. I didn't read the article. It's funny. Delaying meal time helps me manage my satiety. Boom. Shows you can't make sweeping statements, CNN clickbait writers.
Figuring out that I like to eat in the late evening regardless of how much I have eaten earlier in the day has been instrumental to maintaining fitness and preventing overeating. It's much easier to keep calories in check if you have them available to use during the time that you tend to want to use them.
But CNN and others will still push the whole idea that everyone must be the same and breakfast is so super important.3 -
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CNN doesn't know what they're talking about. Doesn't matter when you consume calories.
I'm not a morning person. my daily calorie goal is proximately 2400 calories. For breakfast I'm about 650 lunch probably around 500. The rest of my calories are eaten after 4. Get home from the gym around 8 or 9 and I'm good for a couple hundred calories then.
Lost 80 pounds doing it that way and been maintaining for close to a year.
CNN equals fake news3 -
When I lived in Spain I started dropping weight, even though I was busy trying every dish they make.
Mornings were café, toast, juice.
The Big meal of the day was at 2pm, and you were given until about 5:30-6:00 to return to work. Walking after the meal was what most people did.
Tapas was from 7:00-11:00pm
Dinner was taken between 11:00 and 1:00am.
Dinner was normally a digestive biscuit very high in fiber, lightly sweet and with vanilla and cinnamon. If you are on a diet, you opt for a bowl of cereal with milk. (Yes, really).
What this does is have you eat most heavily when you are active so you tend to burn off calories as they hit your system.
The digestive or cereal was high fiber, high calcium and warming. It filled you up and sleeping was heavenly.
I lost a lot of weight there.0 -
Considering that due to my work shifts I either start eating from midnight til 2pm (2 hours before bed), 8am til 9pm or from 4pm til midnight.
I've found as long as I'm staying within my calorie goals and not eating overly heavy, I've still been losing and thats without any exercise (I work a desk job). With a mix of 3 different shifts in the last month I've still managed to lose about 15lbs without exercise, so I wouldn't say it matters as long as you don't overeat.2 -
I don't get this idea that it's important to eat when you are active. Let's say I eat about half my calories at 9:30 pm (which I often did when losing weight) and then am basically sedentary until I go to bed around 11 and then get up at 5 am and go running (again, common when I was losing weight). How am I fueling my running? I could feel a difference depending on whether I had starchy carbs with dinner or not, so I suspect in part from my evening meal. More significantly, total calories in and total calories out matter, not when you consume them, because otherwise there seems to be the idea that activity not near a meal is fueled with, well, nothing, which would be a miracle.
I suppose it's possible you add fat at night (although if glycogen stores are not full, and they probably are not if you have been eating in a deficit, I doubt it) and then burn it in the morning (you will burn some fat, in fact you typically burn fat when sleeping because you are not active but still need calories to live on), but the question is, who cares--the concern is whether you put on net fat, and you couldn't at a deficit, regardless of meal timing.0 -
I don't believe this at all0
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I eat 75% of my calories after 3 pm and have been maintaining with no issues. I even eat past 10 pm.2
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cmriverside wrote: »*sigh*
Makes no difference when o'clock you eat. Calories calories calories.
And don't forget Hormones hormones hormones.
https://bembu.com/hormones-and-weight-loss/11 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »*sigh*
Makes no difference when o'clock you eat. Calories calories calories.
And don't forget Hormones hormones hormones.
https://bembu.com/hormones-and-weight-loss/
Gale, a little critical thinking goes a long way. Seriously, that website is a dumpster of pseudoscientific nonsense, everyone please ignore.6 -
Spartan_Gingi wrote: »I will say that I cut back my carb intake at the end of the day, and mainly stick with proteins. That's been the breakthrough I needed to break my 2 months + plateau. We're all different. Different strokes for different folks.
except what you did was reduce your calorie intake ...yes we are all different but reducing carbs is not guarantee of weight loss...0 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »Meal timing matters in terms of weight loss vs. fat loss which ARE very different. Your body doesn't function on a daily, weekly or monthly cycle. It works second by second, moment by moment, in real time to change your body. I am not saying its as dramatic as people make it out to seem but if you find the right meal timing FOR YOUR BODY then you will see better results than doing it differntly. Some people (like myself) never feel hungry in the morning, so guess what, probably shouldn't force yourself to eat in the morning. My gf on the other hand always seems famished in the mornings so she eats a high protein breakfast. I am not saying that the study is right or wrong, I am just saying that just hitting calories for the day/week/month, will cause WEIGHT LOSS no matter what. Hitting calories based on the appropriate times (when you feel hungry, post workout, pre workout, etc.) will AID in a more efficient FAT LOSS in addition to weight loss.
Because it affects satiety, adherence and workout performance. Not because eating at any particular time conveys any metabolic advantage in terms of weight/fat loss.
It does have an effect on fat loss. It's easy to say yeah I lost X amount weight so I must be only losing fat when I save most of my calories for the night and eat whatever I want. But when you are actually diligent and pay very close attention to your weight, LBM, and body fat percentage you will find that you will lose weight either way and it will be relatively similar, but you will have more FAT LOSS if you appropriately time your meals and eat more nutrient dense foods. If your sole goal is to lose 20 pounds and you don't care if you lose muscle or fat then just eat 500 cal a day to satisfy your mind, you will lose a good amount of fat no doubt, but you will also lose a noticeable amount of muscle.
Most people would not like the outcome of that.
Meal timing matters.
I will let my shift workign husband in on the secret then...
I lost more weight while in the military doing 24 hour days etc then ever before...and trust me it was the fat going not my LBM...
we grabbed what we could eat when we could...time be damned...so tell me again how meal timing matters..2
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