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Sugar, The Bitter Truth
Marigolds333
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https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oMSugar, The Bitter Truth.. This is about an hour long , but VERY worth watching. Very informative.
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And very propaganda.45
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I'd rather scrape all my skin off with a single fingernail.44
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For those more interested in a more accurate scientific assessment of sugar instead of propaganda:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/brainwaves/is-sugar-really-toxic-sifting-through-the-evidence/
Bottom line:- Sugar, whether it is sucrose, glucose, fructose, lactose, *-ose, is not toxic in amounts normally consumed
- Studies used to assert sugar toxicity are too often based on animal models and/or consuming extremely high amounts
- Obesity is caused by over-consumption of all foods. Cutting down of energy dense foods, such as sugary snacks, is a valid strategy, but it is still the overall energy balance that governs weight loss and gain.
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OP, curious if you think that people here are not already familiar with a video from 2011 or so. It's actually been discussed a bunch here. I'm saying this not because it's wrong to have posted it again -- of course not! -- but because if there is something specific you want to talk about it's probably best to be more, well, specific and tell us.
Lustig is not accepted as gospel by most here, to put it mildly. I don't disagree with everything he says, and actually think some of his work is interesting, but I do think it's important to understand the contrary arguments too (and that simplifying something as "it's all sugar" as so many seem to do these days is not really a good approach).14 -
LOL @ thinking anyone's going to watch that.11
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Hooray, its Friday.17
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The "bitter truth" is is that you got sucked into seeing manipulated information OP. Like many other people. I have this $1500 vacuum cleaner I'd like you to see if you're willing for the sales demonstration.
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It's not sugar, it's the method of presentation that makes me want to crawl out of my skin.
- First of all, the speaker is an "evangelist", a personality I can only tolerate in small doses; "I gave at the office" and run.
- Second, it's an hour long. Captive audience much?
- Give me a book instead. At least a book or a paper I can put down, speed up, and skip to the conclusion if I wish. And I can read faster.
- Third, I've been to dozens of diabetic classes in my life. I am intimately familiar with the way my body reacts to sugar. Why does sugar get all the bad press? I've had far worse reactions from white rice.
- At this stage of my life I'd be much happier to skip to the footnotes, look up the references, and spend the next three hours finding counter-arguments. At least then I will feel half-way educated about the subject.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »...Lustig is not accepted as gospel by most here, to put it mildly...
To put it very mildly.
Lustig is a woo peddler who cherry picks research to support his agenda, which is not at all in agreement with science.13 -
I tried sugar once, now I'm homeless38
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Sugar is not to be omitted from your diet. Your brain needs sugar. We function with the help of sugar. What needs to be done is as we all know, follow a balanced diet. Everything in moderation. Be mindful. That is all.3
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Marigolds333 wrote: »(video removed)
Sugar, The Bitter Truth.. This is about an hour long , but VERY worth watching. Very informative.
It's been a few years now since I've watched this but I thought it was worthwhile too.2 -
Tazzie0208 wrote: »Sugar is not to be omitted from your diet. Your brain needs sugar. We function with the help of sugar. What needs to be done is as we all know, follow a balanced diet. Everything in moderation. Be mindful. That is all.
No your body doesn't need sugar. It doesn't need carbs at all, for that matter (and a few people manage to function just fine with a diet containing virtually no carbs) (not me!). the body can make everything it needs from fats and proteins.7 -
Waste of time...
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lemurcat12 wrote: »...Lustig is not accepted as gospel by most here, to put it mildly...
To put it very mildly.
Lustig is a woo peddler who cherry picks research to support his agenda, which is not at all in agreement with science.
He is also a poo peddler.
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Tazzie0208 wrote: »Sugar is not to be omitted from your diet. Your brain needs sugar. We function with the help of sugar. What needs to be done is as we all know, follow a balanced diet. Everything in moderation. Be mindful. That is all.
No your body doesn't need sugar. It doesn't need carbs at all, for that matter (and a few people manage to function just fine with a diet containing virtually no carbs) (not me!). the body can make everything it needs from fats and proteins.
....and the body very handily converts those fats and proteins in to sugar...which it can actually use.15 -
This film has been highly scrutinized over the years.. but what i have figured out, i will not take the advice of MD's. They are not trained in the field. I take advice from scientist who have been educated in and researched the field for their entire career. Especially people like; Layne Norton, Brad Schoenfeld, James Kreiger, Alan Aragon, Menno Henselmans, etc...
I go to doctors for treatment. I think of it like this; If i want a car to be designed, I'd go to an engineer. If my car is broken, I'd go to a mechanic. Alternatively, you can think of it like this; if you had a heart problem, would you rather go to a cardiologist or a dermatologist... both are doctors, but one is specialized.8 -
Marigolds333 wrote: »https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM
Sugar, The Bitter Truth.. This is about an hour long , but VERY worth watching. Very informative.
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
A link for you to read OP.6 -
I grew up in a poor village experiencing a sugar shortage. Since the advent of sugar my little village grew ten-fold. The townspeople can read and have good jobs. Geese lay golden eggs...all thanks to sugar.11
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Tazzie0208 wrote: »Sugar is not to be omitted from your diet. Your brain needs sugar.
LOL, no. You can omit sugar completely from your diet and be fine. Your body will make the glucose it needs from the complex carbohydrates you eat, or from fat and/or protein (gluconeogenesis) if you don't eat many carbs.3 -
It's crazy, but I somehow managed to accidentally lose weight, while trying to bulk, eating well over 3000 kcals per day, with over 20% of it being simple sugars, and another 35% being other carbs.
Also, I have health markers that many would kill for.
BrB, trading in my pounds of fruit and dextrose for butter in coffee as a prelift meal, because ketovangelist swears I'm gonna get the beetus.16 -
I watched it a few years ago and found it interesting. I think there is something to what he has said.
No, it is not the sole cause of the obesity epidemic but I doubt it is benign when it comes to our health.
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Tazzie0208 wrote: »Sugar is not to be omitted from your diet. Your brain needs sugar. We function with the help of sugar. What needs to be done is as we all know, follow a balanced diet. Everything in moderation. Be mindful. That is all.
No your body doesn't need sugar. It doesn't need carbs at all, for that matter (and a few people manage to function just fine with a diet containing virtually no carbs) (not me!). the body can make everything it needs from fats and proteins.
so then how does one get the nutrients they need that fruits and veggies provide? those things are carbs(sugar)2 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Tazzie0208 wrote: »Sugar is not to be omitted from your diet. Your brain needs sugar. We function with the help of sugar. What needs to be done is as we all know, follow a balanced diet. Everything in moderation. Be mindful. That is all.
No your body doesn't need sugar. It doesn't need carbs at all, for that matter (and a few people manage to function just fine with a diet containing virtually no carbs) (not me!). the body can make everything it needs from fats and proteins.
so then how does one get the nutrients they need that fruits and veggies provide? those things are carbs(sugar)
I think they mean that dietary sugar or carbs are not needed, which is true.
... I think my carb total for this month during an animal products challenge is about 30g. Carbs definitely haven't been needed.0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Tazzie0208 wrote: »Sugar is not to be omitted from your diet. Your brain needs sugar. We function with the help of sugar. What needs to be done is as we all know, follow a balanced diet. Everything in moderation. Be mindful. That is all.
No your body doesn't need sugar. It doesn't need carbs at all, for that matter (and a few people manage to function just fine with a diet containing virtually no carbs) (not me!). the body can make everything it needs from fats and proteins.
so then how does one get the nutrients they need that fruits and veggies provide? those things are carbs(sugar)
I think they mean that dietary sugar or carbs are not needed, which is true.
... I think my carb total for this month during an animal products challenge is about 30g. Carbs definitely haven't been needed.
they may not be needed to function, but if you cut out fruits and veggies would you not be denying your body of certain nutrients only those things can provide? how is the body going to make certain nutrients from fats and protein if the food doesnt contain it?2 -
Marigolds333 wrote: »https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM
Sugar, The Bitter Truth.. This is about an hour long , but VERY worth watching. Very informative.
@Marigolds333 thanks for sharing that the type of calories consumed can make a difference in weight loss/gain.0 -
Tazzie0208 wrote: »the body can make everything it needs from fats and proteins.
This is not true; there are a few things that we need in order to function. There are nutrients that are called essential nutrients. These have to be consumed by humans and cannot be made by the body from fats and proteins! That is why they are called essential. The Wikipedia page is quite decent in giving a readable overview of that. But for instance only humans, primates and guinea pigs are not able to produce vitamin C themselves, therefore we need to take it up through our food.1 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Marigolds333 wrote: »https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM
Sugar, The Bitter Truth.. This is about an hour long , but VERY worth watching. Very informative.
@Marigolds333 thanks for sharing that the type of calories consumed can make a difference in weight loss/gain.
Even though it's completely untrue and has been scientifically disproven?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316911061_A_Calorie_is_Still_a_Calorie_According_to_Rigorous_New_Evidence10 -
Is this a good place to plug the book Diet Cults, by Matt Fitzgerald?17
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