Running, help.

I've been training for running. I have done about 20 workouts/runs so far (3 or 4 a week). I don't seem to be improving.
I am still getting out of breath pretty quickly (after about a half mile) and my speed has still been around 9-9:30 min/mile.
I usually do 1.5-2 miles each time. In this aspect I did improve, originally I was only able to do 1 mile, after a few weeks I got up to the 1.5-2 miles.
I am able to run the first mile, though not at a fast of a pace, and I have to really push myself, because of my breathing. After the first mile I slow down even more and do some alternating walking and running.

Any tips on how to improve.
Is this normal to not see any improvements yet?

Replies

  • apullum
    apullum Posts: 4,838 Member
    If you haven't run before this, then you're doing a lot of distance at a fairly fast pace compared to many beginner programs. Most programs, like C25K, have you start with run/walk intervals and gradually increase until you're able to run longer distances without walking. I would recommend using a beginner running program rather than just going out and running a mile or two without training.
  • Spartan_Gingi
    Spartan_Gingi Posts: 194 Member
    I know it sounds crappy, but if you want to improve your endurance, slow down, and you'll extend your running time. If you pace yourself to 12 min/mile, for example, you'll be able to go much farther, and it'll help with long term gains. Faster isn't always better. Got a HRM? Look at the TomTom Spark 3. Not too expensive, and works great for runners (I love mine).
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
    azampino1 wrote: »
    my speed has still been around 9-9:30 min/mile.

    Slow down.

    Don't worry about speed, focus on improving distance and speed will come.

    I'd suggest using an established plan like C25K to give you some challenge whilst avoiding overdoing it.
  • RuNaRoUnDaFiEld
    RuNaRoUnDaFiEld Posts: 5,864 Member
    Slow it down, the pace comes after building distance.
  • micheledaniels
    micheledaniels Posts: 1 Member
    I would say your are doing great. 9 to 9:30 min. miles are good average run splits. I do 5 k runs on the treadmill and I usually do a 2:30 warmup at a slower speed than my normal race pace. So if you are running 6.5 on the treadmill, warm up would be like a 5.5 or up to 6mph. Warm up can vary per person but for me 2:30 allow me to get my breath together, get my legs fired up and get loose. Then after that, I will gradually build up to my race pace. So from 5.8 I go to 6.0 and hold that for a minute or so, then 6.2 and hold and so. I have found this slow build allows me to get control of the breath before I go faster. I would also say don't be too hard on yourself, & don't give up if results aren't coming as quick as you like. Everyday will be different and just adjust goals accordingly. If you know that day its just not going well, either do a slower pace or do something else like the elliptical, bike, take a class, yoga, something you enjoy & have fun with it. These other activities will still give you cardio benefits and work other muscles as well so when you come back to the run, you may actually notice a difference.
  • Philtex
    Philtex Posts: 1,203 Member
    azampino1 wrote: »
    my speed has still been around 9-9:30 min/mile.
    I usually do 1.5-2 miles each time.

    How old are you and what kind of shape are you in? I've been running for 5 years and still average about a 10 minute mile, but then I'm an old geezer. ;)
  • dudasd1973
    dudasd1973 Posts: 275 Member
    Honestly, don't even look at your time or speed. When I first got back into it I only left the distance visible on my watch. I just ran at what felt comfortable to me the first 2 runs. After that I went in small increments. I basically started at 1 mile. I did that for a week and then pushed to 1.25 the week after and so on. I try to get out 3 times a week and run at a decent pace on Mon/Weds and then push myself a little on Friday. I'm just getting back into this as well since I haven't run for 18yrs.
  • azampino1
    azampino1 Posts: 29 Member
    Thanks for the help so far. I was looking at the c25k program.
    I am training for a physical fitness test and I have a time limit. The test will probably be at the end of July or sometime in August.
    I need to get to a 12:30 min 1.5 mile.
  • azampino1
    azampino1 Posts: 29 Member
    I'm 29 years old 215lbs, I have been doing strength training and some treadmill in the past.
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    Run slower till you can do 3 miles and then start increasing speed
  • MobyCarp
    MobyCarp Posts: 2,927 Member
    azampino1 wrote: »
    Thanks for the help so far. I was looking at the c25k program.
    I am training for a physical fitness test and I have a time limit. The test will probably be at the end of July or sometime in August.
    I need to get to a 12:30 min 1.5 mile.

    1.5 miles in 12:30 is an average pace of 8:20 per mile. Since this is a physical fitness test, your goal is to be able to sustain that pace for 1.5 miles, even if you collapse and couldn't run another 100 meters at the end. That's fine for a race or a physical fitness test, but that's not how you train to improve.

    Most of the miles you run should be much, much slower than your goal race/test pace. As noted by many replies above, you should be able to hold a conversation, sing, have plenty of breath, etc. while running for distance. The purpose of this is to build stamina.

    No more than once a week, try some speed intervals. If you have access to a standard track, it's pretty simple to keep track of run hard for 400m, run easy for 400m, repeat. You might start with 2x400 hard with 400 recovery between, and work your way up to 4x400 hard with 200m recovery in between. This builds your ability to run fast by letting you run more time/distance fast than you could do continually without getting so tired that you lose good form. It is supported by a base of easy running that builds your stamina. Eventually, you put 2 and 2 together and run that 1.5 miles as fast as you can for the test, even if you collapse at the end.

    There are more nuanced training plans. Some will call for different or more complex interval training, some will quantify different levels of "fast" for how hard your run the speed intervals. There will be plans with differently structured intervals to support different goal distances. But all of the reputable plans will call for most miles being run easy, and a relatively small portion of your time being speed work.

    Good luck!
  • spiriteagle99
    spiriteagle99 Posts: 3,740 Member
    Slow down. Don't worry about your pace at all until you can run comfortably for 3-4 miles. If you are running on a TM, start with 1/4 mile walk. Then run 1/4 mile at 5.0. Then go to 5.1 for .25, then go to 5.2, etc. If you start panting, then back off the pace, or do a ladder back down to where you started. If that feels easy, then next time start at 5.2 and go up the ladder. If that feels easy, start at 5.3, etc. The point is the whole run should feel easy.

    Once you can run 3-4 miles without needing to walk, have one day a week where you do some speedwork by starting out with a 10 minute slow easy warmup then running hard for 2 minutes, then run slowly for 2 minutes, and repeat until your time is up. The next week, either run a little faster or a little longer. You should be able to fully recover between each faster interval.

    Losing weight will help you with your speed, but running more miles is the first and most important step.
  • GirlGettingFit37
    GirlGettingFit37 Posts: 146 Member
    I started with the app 5k Runner. You start out by doing walk/run cycles. Your running time increases weekly and at the end of the program you can easily run 3 miles in 30 minutes. It will help build your endurance.
  • azampino1
    azampino1 Posts: 29 Member
    Thanks for the suggestions.
    I went running tonight and I slowed it down. I went for 2 miles and I didn't get too winded. I was able to keep up my running the whole 2 miles, I didn't have to alternate between walking and running for the last mile. At the end I felt pretty good.
    According to my runtastic app my average pace was 11 min/mile. I did finish the 2 miles in 20:15 minutes. So I didn't do too bad.
    I am pretty happy that I finished the 2 miles without having to walk for part of the time.
    I probably could of went further, but it was getting late. It has really boosted my confidence.
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
    I've had to deal with people under my command preparing for their annual fitness tests, I've also in the past been involved in selection to the military and new entry training. The direction I normally give is to train up to 5K. That should give you the capacity to pass a cooper test fairly easily at the pace needed.

    If you're approaching a new entry date for military or law enforcement then establish what you'll need to run in training, and prepare for that. In my service you'll be running to 10K in week one, and the training team will be watching for those that have only prepared for the fitness test. Essentially I'd you can't already run for that distance it's unlikely that you're fit enough to pass the course. The mile and a half in 12 minutes is very modest.
  • kavahni
    kavahni Posts: 313 Member
    edited June 2017
    Second the slow down!
    I will add, however, what has really helped me: belly breathing, also called diaphragmatic breathing. Try it first by lying down, placing your hands on your belly, and breathing slowly and deeply down into your belly making it rise--a lot. Do that for a minute without talking. That will allow you to see how it ought to feel. Then the next time you run, deliberately breathe down into your belly rather than up into your chest. Physiologically, this triggers your sympathetic nervous system. That relaxes the rest of your body. It works amazingly well. I have had times when I forgot to do this for a mile time trial one week, and the next week remembered to do it, and had a 20 second difference in those times.