Really struggling to hit my Calories each day... can I drink beer?
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I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
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Following as I'd love to see the answers! I'm not sure about it. I have a glass of wine or 2 most nights and sometimes it's that which gets me up to my calorie goal. Probably not a great idea on a regular basis- there are better ways to get more carbs. Alcohol won't add anything nutritionally so you may find you lack energy.But I'd be interested to hear what others have to say.0
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I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
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Sounds like a good idea to me. When I was bulking (5'3 130lbs woman), I worked up to 2600 calories a day. Ice cream helped add those extra 200-300 calories.
PL coach laughs at me when I get excited to bulk and ice cream. Her advice is "real" food first...and then I can ice cream to add that extra bit.0 -
If you're hitting your minimums on protiens & fats...
you can eat/drink anything you like. Carbs isn't a macro you have to hit, though many people will have more energy for activity when they are not restricted.
A problem some people will encounter with drinking is they won't stop and go over the calorie budget.
I eat a ton of ice cream, sugar pastries, and alcohol has been known to drip from my palette yet I lose fat/weight when I desire easily because I can adhere to my caloric plan in whole.1 -
Why TF not. If you met your minimums for protein, fat, fiber, eat/drink whatever the hell you want. Lots of people do extra cardio just so they can fit those beers in.1
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Some of my best rides are on mornings after I've had a few beers the night before...1
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Great feedback gang, cheers!0
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I've filled the gaps with wine, ice cream, donuts, etc. I would say it is fine as long as the alcohol isn't impairing your ability to sleep or your workouts the next day.
I go with Eric Helms' views on the matter :
"A good rule of thumb is to not go over 15% of your total calories for the day as alcohol" and "if you're gonna drink, drink like you have a 5am leg day the next morning"
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I'm a little jealous of this problem. I'd say choose delicious, high-calorie dark beers from your local brewers. You can potentially get nutrients such as magnesium, selenium, potassium, phosphorus, biotin, and B vitamins from an unfiltered, serious beer. Cheers!
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I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
Need to make sure to look at these items in the context of total diet. All are high in saturated fats.0 -
You need GAINS...protein shakes with Whey and Isolates for MEN........0
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eat Pizza also0
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My thought is if you have extra calories and want something like beer or fast food or cookies or whatever, don't go for cheap stuff. Get something you are truly going to enjoy.0
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Packerjohn wrote: »I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
Need to make sure to look at these items in the context of total diet. All are high in saturated fats.
That would only be an issue if you aren't getting enough PUFA/MUFAs. But you can monitor your bloodwork to see if SFA have an impact on metabolic markers.
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Packerjohn wrote: »I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
Need to make sure to look at these items in the context of total diet. All are high in saturated fats.
really? Do I really need to put the "hit your macros micros, first" disclaimer in EVERY TIME???????????
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Packerjohn wrote: »I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
Need to make sure to look at these items in the context of total diet. All are high in saturated fats.
really? Do I really need to put the "hit your macros micros, first" disclaimer in EVERY TIME???????????
The items mentioned are high in heart unhealthy saturated fats. One doesn't want to hit and pass their macro targets with an excess of these items.
How about things like nuts, avocado, etc that are high in good fats, as well as calories?0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
Need to make sure to look at these items in the context of total diet. All are high in saturated fats.
really? Do I really need to put the "hit your macros micros, first" disclaimer in EVERY TIME???????????
The items mentioned are high in heart unhealthy saturated fats. One doesn't want to hit and pass their macro targets with an excess of these items.
How about things like nuts, avocado, etc that are high in good fats, as well as calories?
it was a sampling of calorie dense foods and I doubt that a couple hundred calories of Oreos is going to have any long term damage...
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Packerjohn wrote: »I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
Need to make sure to look at these items in the context of total diet. All are high in saturated fats.
That would only be an issue if you aren't getting enough PUFA/MUFAs. But you can monitor your bloodwork to see if SFA have an impact on metabolic markers.
Given the high number of people in the US population with high cholesterol, it would be prudent to suggest calorie dense foods that are not high in saturated fats.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
Need to make sure to look at these items in the context of total diet. All are high in saturated fats.
That would only be an issue if you aren't getting enough PUFA/MUFAs. But you can monitor your bloodwork to see if SFA have an impact on metabolic markers.
Given the high number of people in the US population with high cholesterol, it would be prudent to suggest calorie dense foods that are not high in saturated fats.
I highly doubt those people are only having four or five oreos a couple times a week ..
I think are taking yourself too seriously...1 -
Man wants to gain and asks if he can have beer.
I giggle.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
Need to make sure to look at these items in the context of total diet. All are high in saturated fats.
That would only be an issue if you aren't getting enough PUFA/MUFAs. But you can monitor your bloodwork to see if SFA have an impact on metabolic markers.
Given the high number of people in the US population with high cholesterol, it would be prudent to suggest calorie dense foods that are not high in saturated fats.
Given the fact that the OP is lean and exercises, they are not a representation of the general populous. It's also why I recommended monitoring through bloodwork.
It also dont' mean got eat a diet in nothing but ice cream. It's get whole foods and fill in the gaps with treats where you can... essentially 90/10 or 80/20 rule2 -
I miss the days of my nightly Moscow mule (I have not developed a taste for beer but I will try once I can go back to maintenance). Enjoy!0
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How serious are you about lifting? Alcohol does have an effect on muscle gain - I've seen research showing as much as a 20% reduction depending when and how much is used. Filling in the "gap" with 2-3 beers a day, especially if it's high content 8-11% tasty craft beers might not be such a great idea unless the potential cost doesn't bother you.2
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WOW!!!! Whatever you do, don't listen to this guy!I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
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jseams1234 wrote: »How serious are you about lifting? Alcohol does have an effect on muscle gain - I've seen research showing as much as a 20% reduction depending when and how much is used. Filling in the "gap" with 2-3 beers a day, especially if it's high content 8-11% tasty craft beers might not be such a great idea unless the potential cost doesn't bother you.
This.
If you're serious about muscle gain, alcohol will have in impact in terms of your testosterone and protein synthesis (which in turn effect muscle building) for days following.
I wouldn't drink alcohol solely to meet a caloric need. If you're wanting to drink a lightly a couple times a week, or moderately once a week go for it, it probably will not have a huge impact on your progress in the long term, but it will have some negative impact.
Like above poster said, it really depends on how seriously you're taking this process.2 -
musclesandmusic866 wrote: »
WOW!!!! Whatever you do, don't listen to this guy!I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
Why? If one is getting thr majority of theit diet from nutrient dense sources, what is thr issue with adding those foods.
Just look at the advice from people like Dr. Layne Norton, Dr. Brad Schoenfeld, Alan Aragon, etc.... some of the tops in this industry and utilize flexible dieting practices.3
Hey whatever gets you through it right ! 
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