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Curing severe acid reflux with diet
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I was just diagnosed with GERD and reflux esophagitis. I have never had stomach issues until I took Naproxen awhile back for my hip bursitis. I possibly have ulcers (still waiting for my biopsy results) as a result of taking that. Now the Dr wants me to take a proton pump inhibitor. But everything I read points to change in diet. Can I get rid of this heartburn naturally with just changing my diet? I'm a week into a new diet with no relief. I also can't find any success stories anywhere. Is this even possible? And tums, mylanta, pepto...none of that works for me. I have cut out all processed foods, soda, chocolate, mint, tomatoes, fatty foods, red meat and spicy foods. Thanks in advance.
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if you have ulcers, a change in diet could be helpful, but the medication will help you get better as a diet wont make the ulcers go away.5
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Don't take proton pump inhibitors. I'd recommend ranitidine (fewer potential side effects) and elimination (get rid of the most common triggers- chocolate, tomatoes, onions, garlic, beans), don't eat within 3 hours of sleeping, and get a wedge for sleeping on. Lower your daily stress levels as well.13
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Are you overweight? I have a hiatal hernia and suffered from severe gerd for years. My doctor finally put me on prilosec (protein pump inhibitor) but also told me she preferred for me to be able to manage the problem without meds and suggested I lose some weight. 30 lbs later I no longer take anything but tums once and awhile when something sets off the heartburn. Hope this helps6
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There's nothing wrong with PPI. If the OP has cut foods out of her diet and she still is feeling poorly, why discourage her from trying something new that has a record of success?8
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Are you overweight? I have a hiatal hernia and suffered from severe gerd for years. My doctor finally put me on prilosec (protein pump inhibitor) but also told me she preferred for me to be able to manage the problem without meds and suggested I lose some weight. 30 lbs later I no longer take anything but tums once and awhile when something sets off the heartburn. Hope this helps
This. My husband does better when his weight is at the lower end of the spectrum.
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Nothing helps me but the 40mg of prilosec. I could eat nothing and still have it. I have lost 30lbs but still have it. I am guessing it is partially due to no gallbladder.2
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you can try diet but it may not work . do you produce too much acid or too little? its good to know which one is the cuprit.I produce way too much, so for me diet alone didnt help. I have to take a PPI and a H2 receptor blocker.only thing that works. I still get a bit of indigestion but its nothing like it was.
I take the H2 receptor blocker at night before I go to bed. for me some things bother me at times and others no issues.if you have ulcers the best thing to do is to take meds to let it heal. Gerd and other issues like that can cause things like barretts esophagus and other issues so taking meds even for a short time can improve things.2 -
byustrongman wrote: »Don't take proton pump inhibitors. I'd recommend ranitidine (fewer potential side effects) and elimination (get rid of the most common triggers- chocolate, tomatoes, onions, garlic, beans), don't eat within 3 hours of sleeping, and get a wedge for sleeping on. Lower your daily stress levels as well.
why should she not take a PPI? and ranitidine may not work for everyone so why tell her to take that and not a PPI?. not to mention she should listen to her dr and follow his/her advice.what triggers Gerd for some will not be triggers for others either.4 -
cmazurek85 wrote: »There's nothing wrong with PPI. If the OP has cut foods out of her diet and she still is feeling poorly, why discourage her from trying something new that has a record of success?
http://www.webmd.com/heartburn-gerd/news/20160608/proton-pump-inhibitor-health-risks#1
Would rather stay away from things that have a chance of upping my risk of death when there are good alternatives that don't have the same potential risks.14 -
byustrongman wrote: »cmazurek85 wrote: »There's nothing wrong with PPI. If the OP has cut foods out of her diet and she still is feeling poorly, why discourage her from trying something new that has a record of success?
http://www.webmd.com/heartburn-gerd/news/20160608/proton-pump-inhibitor-health-risks#1
Would rather stay away from things that have a chance of upping my risk of death when there are good alternatives that don't have the same potential risks.
If you're recommending that she discuss risks and alternatives with her doctor all well and good, but it sounds like you're suggesting she ignore the Dr.'s advice and switch meds on her own. That's never a good idea.15 -
It doesn't hurt to try. Definitely pay attention to trigger foods. They might not be what you expect, so write it down if it helps you remember. But if it comes down to it, meds might be the way to go.
Personally, I only have a few certain foods and drinks that are obviously triggers. One that surprised me was an herbal tea I like. When I mentioned it to my husband, he said the tea gave him heartburn too. I tried to manage it without medication, eliminating all the common triggers from my diet and modifying my habits. If it helped, it wasn't enough. I take prilosec now, but I still definitely avoid my triggers as well.2 -
I was just diagnosed with GERD and reflux esophagitis. I have never had stomach issues until I took Naproxen awhile back for my hip bursitis. I possibly have ulcers (still waiting for my biopsy results) as a result of taking that. Now the Dr wants me to take a proton pump inhibitor. But everything I read points to change in diet. Can I get rid of this heartburn naturally with just changing my diet? I'm a week into a new diet with no relief. I also can't find any success stories anywhere. Is this even possible? And tums, mylanta, pepto...none of that works for me. I have cut out all processed foods, soda, chocolate, mint, tomatoes, fatty foods, red meat and spicy foods. Thanks in advance.
Losing weight will help it, as will eating smaller meals more frequently. Perhaps the PPI would be a good thing as a temporary solution while your stomach heals.
I had bad reflux which caused stomach erosion and bleeding. The final result was severe anemia (hospitalization for 4 units of blood and 1 unit of IV iron). I started taking a PPI (prilosec) and also began losing weight. Within 6 months my stomach was healed and I was off the prilosec and I have not had a GERD incident since.4 -
byustrongman is correct. I was on these for years and decided to wean myself off of them due to health risks. My husband is an MD and we discussed this. My primary care physician (who is not my husband) originally put me on PPI's and I found out about the risks on my own. Sometimes doctors don't mention risks unless you specifically ask. There are risks to everything. You have to weigh the pros and cons to everything. I am now on healthier alternatives. I was never overweight either. It's genetic in my family. Best of luck, OP. Hope you find some relief.4
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I have taken them every day since 2006 and 40mg since last year. Currently I cant get my prescription until tonight it has been 3 days of torture. No adverse effects ... so far.2
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Carbonated water (I drank many cans a day) proved to be a major culprit of my flare ups with reflux....especially when combined with spicy food or a larger meal etc. Just thought id mention that becauae it took me awhile to figure out for myself... my reflux is infrequent but when it occurs it is debilitating painful. Best of luck!3
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Ive been off and on PPIS for years and no issues here either. once off them for awhile I ended up with gastritis. that is more painful than the GERD/indigestion itself. I had to take meds for my gastritis for 2 months(was supposed to be 4) but after 2 I was having side effects from the meds and it wasnt a PPI or HS blocker either. for some losing weight may help for me it doesnt matter if Im at a healthy weight or not. some days just water would trigger it.OP I would talk to your dr and see what the best route is. if you take a med and have a side effect they can switch you to something else. meds I was able to take years ago I can no longer tolerate and vice versa2
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I have found that a combo is going to work the best and give you the relief that you need. I have severe GERD, chronic gastritis and Barrett's, I am not being dramatic when I say I can't go without my PPI and ranitidine, it's been the other thing that's allowed me to eat and feel healthy each day. I have also eliminated or reduced a lot of the foods that can trigger flares. Even with this I still have flares, and some symptoms but it is so much better. I know that for certain people who take PPI's are not encouraged to take them long term but other than my GERD I am healthy, eat a plant based diet and ensure I get the right nutrition (as nutrient absorption can be slowed). I say listen to your doctor and at least give all options a try.4
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You can also try a low fodmap diet. I know that it's for gastro issues but my severe reflux/gerd was reduced quite a bit when on a low fodmap diet. Lactose, wheat, etc contributes to it for me as well as the typical triggers like tomato sauce,
You may need the PPI to help heal for a couple months but there are some studies showing some risks for long term use (fractures, pernicious anemia, etc). All medications carry some risks. Talk to you Dr about balancing your needs and risks. You may only need to be on for a couple months and go down to Zantac or something similar. Or you may need to go on a different PPI if the first one isn't working enough. Tecta caused me stomach distress whereas Nexium helped a lot.
If you have gastritis now, be careful with nsaids and abx like flagyl (dental abcesses) etc. They can really irritate your stomach.
Oh and there are some risks to not getting treatment for gerd as well though(esophageal cancer). Find what works best for you. Sometimes it's a trial and error process to find the best plan for your health.3 -
You can also try a low fodmap diet. I know that it's for gastro issues but my severe reflux/gerd was reduced quite a bit when on a low fodmap diet. Lactose, wheat, etc contributes to it for me as well as the typical triggers like tomato sauce,
You may need the PPI to help heal for a couple months but there are some studies showing some risks for long term use (fractures, pernicious anemia, etc). All medications carry some risks. Talk to you Dr about balancing your needs and risks. You may only need to be on for a couple months and go down to Zantac or something similar. Or you may need to go on a different PPI if the first one isn't working enough. Tecta caused me stomach distress whereas Nexium helped a lot.
If you have gastritis now, be careful with nsaids and abx like flagyl (dental abcesses) etc. They can really irritate your stomach.
Oh and there are some risks to not getting treatment for gerd as well though(esophageal cancer). Find what works best for you. Sometimes it's a trial and error process to find the best plan for your health.
also if someone has gastritis they need to avoid caffeine, carbonated drinks,acidic and spicy foods as well.1 -
Please Read!!
I had a stomach ulcer when I was 14! I'm now 20. I had sever acid reflux and lost a ton of weight due to not being able to eat from reflux and horrdible pain. My doctor prescribed be some stupid drug which did nothing, and told me to cut out those same foods. Cutting out acidic foods and such did help a little but not much. My mother and I decided to take it into our own hands since it was taking over my life. Cutting out dairy helped a lot more(which many doctors don't suggest). But I owe my whole life to Apple cider vinegar. Take about 1-2 table spoons with water every morning or when you feel symptoms. The acidicness counter acts with the acids in your stomach which helps to settle it. Whenever my stomach feels sick to this day and I remeber ACV, I take a shot and instantly feel less sick or nauseous. Some people say ACV can hurt your esophagus and stomach lining but taking it with water and 20 min before food or after food you should be just fine!10 -
lexidanko14 wrote: »Please Read!!
I had a stomach ulcer when I was 14! I'm now 20. I had sever acid reflux and lost a ton of weight due to not being able to eat from reflux and horrdible pain. My doctor prescribed be some stupid drug which did nothing, and told me to cut out those same foods. Cutting out acidic foods and such did help a little but not much. My mother and I decided to take it into our own hands since it was taking over my life. Cutting out dairy helped a lot more(which many doctors don't suggest). But I owe my whole life to Apple cider vinegar. Take about 1-2 table spoons with water every morning or when you feel symptoms. The acidicness counter acts with the acids in your stomach which helps to settle it. Whenever my stomach feels sick to this day and I remeber ACV, I take a shot and instantly feel less sick or nauseous. Some people say ACV can hurt your esophagus and stomach lining but taking it with water and 20 min before food or after food you should be just fine!
My boyfriend has severe GERD. He also has a bad habit of eating trigger foods at night before bed. He says, "I took my medicine. I should be fine." And every time I tell him, "No you won't". He ends up being up half the night choking and gurgling. Neither one of us sleeps and he ends up on the couch sleeping upright. On a whim he decided to try the apple cider vinegar. He would have two swigs in the morning every morning. They recommend 2 tablespoons but he can't measure anything without spilling it everywhere LOL. I never would have believed it and his doctor didn't believe it but it worked like a charm and we BOTH get sleep!3 -
lexidanko14 wrote: »Please Read!!
I had a stomach ulcer when I was 14! I'm now 20. I had sever acid reflux and lost a ton of weight due to not being able to eat from reflux and horrdible pain. My doctor prescribed be some stupid drug which did nothing, and told me to cut out those same foods. Cutting out acidic foods and such did help a little but not much. My mother and I decided to take it into our own hands since it was taking over my life. Cutting out dairy helped a lot more(which many doctors don't suggest). But I owe my whole life to Apple cider vinegar. Take about 1-2 table spoons with water every morning or when you feel symptoms. The acidicness counter acts with the acids in your stomach which helps to settle it. Whenever my stomach feels sick to this day and I remeber ACV, I take a shot and instantly feel less sick or nauseous. Some people say ACV can hurt your esophagus and stomach lining but taking it with water and 20 min before food or after food you should be just fine!
For those with LOW stomach acid
http://www.livestrong.com/article/478034-apple-cider-vinegar-benefits-for-acid-reflux/2 -
byustrongman wrote: »cmazurek85 wrote: »There's nothing wrong with PPI. If the OP has cut foods out of her diet and she still is feeling poorly, why discourage her from trying something new that has a record of success?
http://www.webmd.com/heartburn-gerd/news/20160608/proton-pump-inhibitor-health-risks#1
Would rather stay away from things that have a chance of upping my risk of death when there are good alternatives that don't have the same potential risks.
Unfortunately these risks have never been proven with a dedicated study. Correlation does not always equal causation. The studies were all chart reviews performed on patients who were 60+ and had been on high doses of PPIs for several years. There is no problem with short term use. Agree ranitidine (Zantac) is another viable option, but if she truly has ulcers a PPI for 8-12 weeks will expedite healing. Diet changes are also good non medicinal means to help, however I have some patients (I work in GI) who reflux on water. Ultimately this is between the OP and her practitioner.
OP hope this is only temporary for you!5 -
lexidanko14 wrote: »Please Read!!
I had a stomach ulcer when I was 14! I'm now 20. I had sever acid reflux and lost a ton of weight due to not being able to eat from reflux and horrdible pain. My doctor prescribed be some stupid drug which did nothing, and told me to cut out those same foods. Cutting out acidic foods and such did help a little but not much. My mother and I decided to take it into our own hands since it was taking over my life. Cutting out dairy helped a lot more(which many doctors don't suggest). But I owe my whole life to Apple cider vinegar. Take about 1-2 table spoons with water every morning or when you feel symptoms. The acidicness counter acts with the acids in your stomach which helps to settle it. Whenever my stomach feels sick to this day and I remeber ACV, I take a shot and instantly feel less sick or nauseous. Some people say ACV can hurt your esophagus and stomach lining but taking it with water and 20 min before food or after food you should be just fine!
you dont fight acid with acid. you need to find if you produce too much acid or not enough and you also need to find what causes it(this can be done with a scope) and if it is in fact GERD,many things can present itself as GERD but be something else.
using something over the counter when you could have an underlying condition is like playing russian roulette. GERD and things of that nature can lead to Barretts esophagus,stomach cancers,ulcers,gastritis and so on if not treated.
once you stop taking the ACV you may end up with rebound acid or not treating it with the proper meds can make it worse. trust me gastritis and ulcers are NOT fun and can make it to where you cant eat,it can cause erosion of your esophagus,eat the enamel off your teeth. it can happen at night when asleep and you not notice.GERD is nothing to mess with6 -
lexidanko14 wrote: »Please Read!!
I had a stomach ulcer when I was 14! I'm now 20. I had sever acid reflux and lost a ton of weight due to not being able to eat from reflux and horrdible pain. My doctor prescribed be some stupid drug which did nothing, and told me to cut out those same foods. Cutting out acidic foods and such did help a little but not much. My mother and I decided to take it into our own hands since it was taking over my life. Cutting out dairy helped a lot more(which many doctors don't suggest). But I owe my whole life to Apple cider vinegar. Take about 1-2 table spoons with water every morning or when you feel symptoms. The acidicness counter acts with the acids in your stomach which helps to settle it. Whenever my stomach feels sick to this day and I remeber ACV, I take a shot and instantly feel less sick or nauseous. Some people say ACV can hurt your esophagus and stomach lining but taking it with water and 20 min before food or after food you should be just fine!
Incorrect and dangerous information - I attended an autopsy earlier this year of a woman who died due to overuse of ACV. No idea how much she was taking.
The primary ingredient of ACV is acetic acid and the food industry does not regulate the concentration. Use with caution.6 -
I am on ppis and yes,like all medication they carry risks but my chronic gastritis also carries risks. Mine was diagnosed when I became severely anaemic and it was found to be due to upper GI bleeding. The OP 's doctor will have prescribed them for a good reason and in the short term they'll do no harm.
I find I still have to avoid trigger foods. Medication on its own isn't always sufficient.
Edit to add : please be careful with avc. I have found it makes me far worse!1 -
The benefit of apple cider vinegar is that, like a lot of fermented foods, it supports healthy flora in your gut. Acetic acid (the active ingredient in vinegar) is a probiotic and promotes a healthier flora in your digestive system. It sounds counterintuitive to "fight acid with acid" but this is something that has been proven by scientific studies. Other options to think about cutting out of your diet include switching from coffee to tea and cutting out all alcohol. Those two things were the key for me.4
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Iamnotasenior wrote: »The benefit of apple cider vinegar is that, like a lot of fermented foods, it supports healthy flora in your gut. Acetic acid (the active ingredient in vinegar) is a probiotic and promotes a healthier flora in your digestive system. It sounds counterintuitive to "fight acid with acid" but this is something that has been proven by scientific studies. Other options to think about cutting out of your diet include switching from coffee to tea and cutting out all alcohol. Those two things were the key for me.
show me the studies that prove ACV works for stomach acid. some people it makes it worse especially those who have ulcers or gastritis .5 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Iamnotasenior wrote: »The benefit of apple cider vinegar is that, like a lot of fermented foods, it supports healthy flora in your gut. Acetic acid (the active ingredient in vinegar) is a probiotic and promotes a healthier flora in your digestive system. It sounds counterintuitive to "fight acid with acid" but this is something that has been proven by scientific studies. Other options to think about cutting out of your diet include switching from coffee to tea and cutting out all alcohol. Those two things were the key for me.
show me the studies that prove ACV works for stomach acid. some people it makes it worse especially those who have ulcers or gastritis .
This^
The fight acid with acid information is decades old.
There are reflux sufferers with LOW stomach acid. Drinking acid with a meal (I have a co-worker who drinks lemonade) helps digestion.....this is not a way of reducing acid.3
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