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theledger5
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food sensitivity = inflammation = hormone dysregulation = weight gain. All calories are not equal. Calorie in and calories out is 70's thinking. ( I am a qualified nutritionist)
food sensitivity = inflammation = hormone dysregulation = weight gain. All calories are not equal. Calorie in and calories out is 70's thinking. ( I am a qualified nutritionist)
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What are you saying? :huh:5
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Not a clear posted question.
A food sensitivity can = inflammation. https://www.foodintol.com/latest-news/16-medical-research-news/5-inflammatory-disease-and-food-intolerance3 -
It was on a thyroid group where people are saying that CICO is outdated and that it doesn't work for everyone with health conditions such as autoimmune and food sensitivities etc.0
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Just use the search function here for "CICO" and "is a calorie really just a calorie" and you'll find plenty of good talking points as this is discussed time and again on these boards.3
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Thyroid/Autoimmune can affect CI and CO, but they don't invalidate the equation. They just add additional variables to be accounted for on one or both sides of the equation.
There are Thyroid and Autoimmune/Celiac folks who've successfully lost weight and kept it off here and elsewhere. It's harder, and it's different, but it's not impossible.
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theledger5 wrote: »It was on a thyroid group where people are saying that CICO is outdated and that it doesn't work for everyone with health conditions such as autoimmune and food sensitivities etc.
People who say that are:
1) Uneducated in how weight management really works
2) Making excuses so they can remain a 'victim' to their inability to lose weight
3) Both.
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theledger5 wrote: »It was on a thyroid group where people are saying that CICO is outdated a
CICO can hardly be outdated. It's physics.
Whatever diet you decide to adopt ... whatever foods you decide to eat or avoid ... if you're losing weight, behind the scenes it's CICO.
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theledger5 wrote: »It was on a thyroid group where people are saying that CICO is outdated a
CICO can hardly be outdated. It's physics.
Whatever diet you decide to adopt ... whatever foods you decide to eat or avoid ... if you're losing weight, behind the scenes it's CICO.
If your body absorbs those nutrients.
If your body is sensitive to a specific food or is unable to process something, the calories are not absorbed which would mean if you ate 500 calories of something and your body could only absorb 20% of it, you've really only had 100 calories when you would say CI is 500.18 -
I think you do the same thing we do, repeat the truth 10,000 times for ten years.
Then start over and do it some more. Forums (esp thyroid forums) are going to be full of people looking for excuses.5 -
RIght. But that's just another variable like stanmann571 said.0
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »theledger5 wrote: »It was on a thyroid group where people are saying that CICO is outdated a
CICO can hardly be outdated. It's physics.
Whatever diet you decide to adopt ... whatever foods you decide to eat or avoid ... if you're losing weight, behind the scenes it's CICO.
If your body absorbs those nutrients.
If your body is sensitive to a specific food or is unable to process something, the calories are not absorbed which would mean if you ate 500 calories of something and your body could only absorb 20% of it, you've really only had 100 calories when you would say CI is 500.
The CI is still 500. It's just that you'll end up excreting the rest - so your CO would increase by 400. In either case, it's a net of 100.
eta: Not saying this might not screw up one's calculations, which may make it more difficult to figure out how much to eat, but CICO still applies.1 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »theledger5 wrote: »It was on a thyroid group where people are saying that CICO is outdated and that it doesn't work for everyone with health conditions such as autoimmune and food sensitivities etc.
People who say that are:
1) Uneducated in how weight management really works
2) Making excuses so they can remain a 'victim' to their inability to lose weight
3) Both.
Just drop this quote and walk away.3 -
Wow. People really don't understand thyroid disease. It makes me pretty angry reading these ignorant comments.9
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PinupGirl13 wrote: »Wow. People really don't understand thyroid disease. It makes me pretty angry reading these ignorant comments.
I have thyroid disease. That's why I can speak about it. 30 years of being under doctors' care for it. I'm at a healthy BMI. Once I found my weight-loss numbers, I lost weight. You can too.
Are you having trouble losing weight? Open your diary, maybe I (and others) can help.
It's still a matter of calories in < calories out. You just have to find your number.13 -
PinupGirl13 wrote: »Wow. People really don't understand thyroid disease. It makes me pretty angry reading these ignorant comments.
Then you mis-understand them.
CICO is straightforward physics. Nothing special about it from a fundamental perspective. Where the thyroid issues come into play is that the calculators (or better term is estimators) online may not work out of the box, you may have to adjust your calories because of the thyroid issues, and only time and playing with what you eat will get you there. But CICO still works fine.
You can't disagree with gravity just because a helium balloon goes up. And that's all that is being talked about here.15 -
^^This.cmriverside wrote: »PinupGirl13 wrote: »Wow. People really don't understand thyroid disease. It makes me pretty angry reading these ignorant comments.
I have thyroid disease. That's why I can speak about it. 30 years of being under doctors' care for it. I'm at a healthy BMI. Once I found my weight-loss numbers, I lost weight. You can too.
Are you having trouble losing weight? Open your diary, maybe I (and others) can help.
It's still a matter of calories in < calories out. You just have to find your number.
And this^^Tacklewasher wrote: »PinupGirl13 wrote: »Wow. People really don't understand thyroid disease. It makes me pretty angry reading these ignorant comments.
Then you mis-understand them.
CICO is straightforward physics. Nothing special about it from a fundamental perspective. Where the thyroid issues come into play is that the calculators (or better term is estimators) online may not work out of the box, you may have to adjust your calories because of the thyroid issues, and only time and playing with what you eat will get you there. But CICO still works fine.
You can't disagree with gravity just because a helium balloon goes up. And that's all that is being talked about here.
I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism and Hashimoto's decades ago. Properly medicated, my weight loss was pretty comparable to someone without my thyroid insufficiencies. Did I have to tweak stuff a little? Yes. But weight loss was still entirely doable. I lost 75 lbs, reached my goal weight and have been in maintenance for a year and a half.
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I'm not sure I understand the original post2
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CattOfTheGarage wrote: »I'm not sure I understand the original post
lol. No one did.
We don't let that stop us.20 -
theledger5 wrote: »It was on a thyroid group where people are saying that CICO is outdated and that it doesn't work for everyone with health conditions such as autoimmune and food sensitivities etc.
CICO is only thing that seems to be working for me and I have auto immune thyroid problems. My calories burnt through exercise is lower than most but CICO still works. I think the group is using excuses - every group I have joined (and since left) spent so much time saying weight gain was inevitable and weight loss impossible and I wasted too many years fat and believing them6 -
theledger5 wrote: »This ....
food sensitivity = inflammation = hormone dysregulation = weight gain. All calories are not equal. Calorie in and calories out is 70's thinking. ( I am a qualified nutritionist)
My qualified dietician disagrees with you.6
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