No one can live on foods of penitence
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I like rice cakes.16 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »:::small voice:::::
I like rice cakes.
I like steamed cauliflower!9 -
Now I'm really curious what penitent foods would be?
Caster Oil?
Kale?
For me...fried liver. Or just about any way to prepare liver (shudder)
I think I read somewhere that the various religious orders of monks, for fasting or penitence, would be where they did not eat. However, beer was not considered food during that time, so they would drink their yummy beer. THAT I could do for fasting or penitence
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piperdown44 wrote: »Now I'm really curious what penitent foods would be?
Caster Oil?
Kale?
For me...fried liver. Or just about any way to prepare liver (shudder)
I think I read somewhere that the various religious orders of monks, for fasting or penitence, would be where they did not eat. However, beer was not considered food during that time, so they would drink their yummy beer. THAT I could do for fasting or penitence
This story is probably apocryphal, but it's too good not to share. (Source)So you gave up dessert for Lent? Good for you, you wimp! Once upon a time, German monks ate nothing for the entirety of the Lenten fast. No bread, no salad, no fruit—nothing. Beat that.
How did they survive, you ask? By imbibing large quantities of heavy, calorie rich beer, of course!
Around 700 years ago, German monks in the town of Einbeck developed a specific style of malty, dark, high alcohol beer to help sustain them during intense periods of fasting. This beer became known as Bock, a corruption of the name Einbeck. Later, discontent with the strength of Bock style beer, monks developed an even stronger variant known as Doppelbock, meaning double Bock. This beer was so laden with nutrition that some dubbed it “liquid bread.”
Now, these beers were so delicious that the monks began to wonder if they were contrary to the spirit of Lenten penance. Being faithful sons of the Church, they decided to consult the pope. On the journey to Rome, however, the beer was subjected to extreme weather conditions, causing it to spoil and turn sour. When the pope tasted it, he was so appalled by the spoiled beer that he immediately deemed it an excellent Lenten penance.13 -
I lost weight eating 1200-1400 calories and watching a lot of TV. You don't need a gym. Just make sure you are absolutely counting your calories and being very honest about the amount of food you are eating.2
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Rebecca0224 wrote: »Well said. Eating for nutrition can be - should be - enjoyable as well.
Having become overweight is not a sin requiring expiation through unpleasant exercise or unenjoyable food. Being miserable burns no extra calories.
I say something similar to this, being overweight is not a sin or illegal and losing weight is not a punishment.
I agree with both of you here.
From a Christian (RC) point of view, being overweight isn't a sin - gluttony is a sin. Obesity is the tangible effect of gluttony. Other sins, including more serious ones, don't leave such visible markings.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the cultural negativity towards fat people (shaming). We can't see other 'sins', but think we can somehow see the "failings" of an obese person (quotation marks are deliberate, because I think obesity is a complicated issue and it doesn't makes someone a bad or less worthy person in any way if they are fat). In western society, we have a tendency to judge others regardless of our own personal religious tradition. Often it's subconscious and it takes a lot of self awareness to identify and correct.
I know that fat shaming acceptance has it's own thread, and I don't mean to derail this one.7 -
piperdown44 wrote: »Now I'm really curious what penitent foods would be?
Caster Oil?
Kale?
For me...fried liver. Or just about any way to prepare liver (shudder)
I think I read somewhere that the various religious orders of monks, for fasting or penitence, would be where they did not eat. However, beer was not considered food during that time, so they would drink their yummy beer. THAT I could do for fasting or penitence
Unfortunately it was usually 'small beer' during the day as plain water was not fit to drink.
Going at it with Miller Lite just doesn't appeal the same.
As a side note, I have 'sampled' quite a few of the full beers originally brewed by monks when in Bruges, they truely were delicious.
Cheers, h.2 -
Now I'm really curious what penitent foods would be?
Caster Oil?
Kale?
Is castor oil a 'food'?
Kale on the other hand . . . . is delicious in a sausage scramble with onions and cheese
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I agree with @Need2Exerc1se and @GottaBurnEmAll - penitent foods are anything that you think you HAVE to eat as opposed to something that you WANT to eat.3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »:::small voice:::::
I like rice cakes.
I like steamed cauliflower!
I love cauliflower in most preparations but just can't get on-board with it when steamed. And I love most other steamed vegetables. It's too vile.
Same thing with broccoli. I love it in most preparations but the raw florets (not the stem, just the florets) are gross to me when raw.0 -
Foods of penitence. I posit that this was why my obese mother occasionally brought home a bag of grapefruit, which she proceeded to eat with sugar.
The stuff I eat now is very different from the stuff I ate before I created this mfp user account.
Probiotic kefir, kombucha, kimchi, and yogurt are less about penitence than just learning stuff I hadn't known before. I actually like my breakfast green smoothie with kefir, kale, and omega-3 fats.5 -
Rebecca0224 wrote: »Well said. Eating for nutrition can be - should be - enjoyable as well.
Having become overweight is not a sin requiring expiation through unpleasant exercise or unenjoyable food. Being miserable burns no extra calories.
I say something similar to this, being overweight is not a sin or illegal and losing weight is not a punishment.
I agree with both of you here.
From a Christian (RC) point of view, being overweight isn't a sin - gluttony is a sin. Obesity is the tangible effect of gluttony. Other sins, including more serious ones, don't leave such visible markings.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the cultural negativity towards fat people (shaming). We can't see other 'sins', but think we can somehow see the "failings" of an obese person (quotation marks are deliberate, because I think obesity is a complicated issue and it doesn't makes someone a bad or less worthy person in any way if they are fat). In western society, we have a tendency to judge others regardless of our own personal religious tradition. Often it's subconscious and it takes a lot of self awareness to identify and correct.
I know that fat shaming acceptance has it's own thread, and I don't mean to derail this one.
@DamieBird, I think this is a good point and not a derail at all.2 -
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snickerscharlie wrote: »
I *like* ACV!0 -
Rebecca0224 wrote: »Well said. Eating for nutrition can be - should be - enjoyable as well.
Having become overweight is not a sin requiring expiation through unpleasant exercise or unenjoyable food. Being miserable burns no extra calories.
I say something similar to this, being overweight is not a sin or illegal and losing weight is not a punishment.
I agree with both of you here.
From a Christian (RC) point of view, being overweight isn't a sin - gluttony is a sin. Obesity is the tangible effect of gluttony. Other sins, including more serious ones, don't leave such visible markings.
Tis true. Their sin of gluttony, weakness or whatever it may be is there for the world to see.1 -
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JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Foods of penitence. I posit that this was why my obese mother occasionally brought home a bag of grapefruit, which she proceeded to eat with sugar.
The stuff I eat now is very different from the stuff I ate before I created this mfp user account.
Probiotic kefir, kombucha, kimchi, and yogurt are less about penitence than just learning stuff I hadn't known before. I actually like my breakfast green smoothie with kefir, kale, and omega-3 fats.
My mom did the same, sans sugar. Grapefruit for breakfast, shake for lunch. Ug. If you like grapefruit, knock yourself out. I'll be over here with Happy Potter eating stale birthday cake.3 -
My mum did Weight Watchers in the 80s and I remember her choking down liver twice a week. Now that's a penitence food!1
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Alatariel75 wrote: »My mum did Weight Watchers in the 80s and I remember her choking down liver twice a week. Now that's a penitence food!
Just the smell of liver cooking is more than enough penance for me!
Even worse was that mom cooked it to the point of shoe leather. Nasty, nasty stuff.
And on the side was the ever-present vastly overcooked veggies that had lost all identity, flavour and nutrition.
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And so often? The Foods of Penitence turn out to be not even all that good for us!
Our bodies need balance, and we respond to our fears of fat by banning whole families of food.
As humans, our cultures use food to celebrate and make peace - and we try to deny that.
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Alatariel75 wrote: »My mum did Weight Watchers in the 80s and I remember her choking down liver twice a week. Now that's a penitence food!
Lol, I remember this. Except my mom told them she was allergic to liver. I do remember dry, baked chicken breast several times a week while the rest of ate the usual good stuff.0 -
I've said something similar for 3 or 4 years...I find people eat so little food and food they don't enjoy as a form of punishment because they "let themselves get overweight" and I got slammed repeatedly...
ETA: I don't think it is done on purpose mind you but as a subconscious thing.1 -
I love steamed cauliflower and raw broccoli.janejellyroll wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »:::small voice:::::
I like rice cakes.
I like steamed cauliflower!
Not a fan of rice cakes though.
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Now I'm really curious what penitent foods would be?
Caster Oil?
Kale?
Is castor oil a 'food'?
Kale on the other hand . . . . is delicious in a sausage scramble with onions and cheese.
I agree with @Need2Exerc1se and @GottaBurnEmAll - penitent foods are anything that you think you HAVE to eat as opposed to something that you WANT to eat.
Just thinking of items associated with punishment and the British Nanny threatening the dispensing of Caster Oil.
Well of course - the evil that is kale is overwhelmed by the goodness of sausage. Sausage/bacon/chocolate are the triumvirate of piety in food.5 -
This is why I have been consistent with my weight loss so far. I never gave up on cooking my favorite meals. I enjoy eating and cooking food from all over the world. I just measure all ingredients in advance and eat a smaller portion. I don't feel hungry after eating and I can still eat snacks, drink soda and wine and not be so worried about gaining. I'm actually eating complete balanced meals and enjoying it compared to when I was restricting certain food groups in the past.5
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I am reading mindful eating...your food tastes like you expect it to taste...If you think it tastes bad it will..if you think it tastes good...it does.
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Speaking of penitence, here is the 1972 Weight Watchers program. Ever wonder why people think weight loss has to be penitential?
Some highlights:You must eat liver at least once a weekCheeses are "illegal" if they are soft enough to spread evenly and not hard enough to slice easily. Do not use cheese spreads.The skim milk we allow is the instant non-fat dry milk, reconstitute according to label directions; or skim milk labeled either "skimmed milk" or "modified" or "fortified skim milk" with no whole milk solids added. Do not use milk labeled "a skimmed milk product" or "99% fat free." Your daily allowance of evaporated skimmed milk may be diluted with an equal amount of water to make a total of 16 ounces skim milk. The buttermilk may be made from either whole or combination of skim milk and whole milk; Bulgarian buttermilk is not permitted.Do not eat or drink the following (except, of course, for "legal" recipes as given in this book):
Alcoholic beverages, beer, wine
Bacon or back fat (fat back)
Butter
Cake, cookies, crackers, pies
Candy, chocolate
Catsup, chili sauce
Coconut or coconut oil
Corn
Cream, sweet or sour
Cream cheese
Fried foods
Fruit, dried, canned in syrup or dietetic
Ice cream, ice milk, ices and sherbets
Jams, jellies, or preserves
Luncheon meats
Muffins, biscuits
Non-dairy creamers or toppings
Olives or olive oils
Pancakes, waffles
Peanut butter
Peanuts, other nuts
Pizza
Popcorn, potato chips, pretzels
Pork products
Puddings, custards, flavored gelatin desserts
Raw fish or meat
Specialty breads
Salad dressings
Sardines
Smoked fish (except finnan haddie and salmon)
Soda pop, ades, punch
Soups
Sugar
Syrups6 -
Now I'm really curious what penitent foods would be?
Caster Oil?
Kale?
I'd say something like the notion that you can only eat plain chicken breast and steamed broccoli and only snack on plain celery...
Basically the idea that you can't eat anything with any flavor and that if something is delicious it must be "bad"5 -
middlehaitch wrote: »Too true.
I wouldn't be a good penitent.
Reading that quote by Mollie Katzen made me go and find my copy of 'The Enchanted Broccoli Forest' (1982)
Never been a vegetarian, but used to love that book.
Cheers, h.
Also not a vegetarian, but love my Moosewood Cookbook. Bean Salad, Pea Soup, Apple Crisp...1
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