No one can live on foods of penitence
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tabletop_joe wrote: »There was also the horrible practice of baking so-called horse bread. That is bread cut with other non-digestible ingredients--saw dust, grass, straw bits, even sand--used as a filler. So you feel full on bread made from free stuff kicking around the yard, but there's no calories or nutrition and it'll ruin your digestive tract over time. I always think of horse bread when I eat low- and no-calorie products.
wasn't there a 1970s bread sold for high fiber that actually had wood pulp in it?
For what it's worth, the answer is ... yes.
http://www.nytimes.com/1985/10/16/garden/wood-pulp-as-fiber-in-bread.html0 -
tabletop_joe wrote: »There was also the horrible practice of baking so-called horse bread. That is bread cut with other non-digestible ingredients--saw dust, grass, straw bits, even sand--used as a filler. So you feel full on bread made from free stuff kicking around the yard, but there's no calories or nutrition and it'll ruin your digestive tract over time. I always think of horse bread when I eat low- and no-calorie products.
wasn't there a 1970s bread sold for high fiber that actually had wood pulp in it?
A lot of current "Low Carb" and/or "high fiber!" prepared foods use cellulose as filler.
Ironic - a century after we outlaw ersatz foods because they were starving poor babies (see also the history of milk regulation), we're back to adding wood chips to bread and water to milk, because our surplus calories are making kids fat instead....
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tabletop_joe wrote: »There was also the horrible practice of baking so-called horse bread. That is bread cut with other non-digestible ingredients--saw dust, grass, straw bits, even sand--used as a filler. So you feel full on bread made from free stuff kicking around the yard, but there's no calories or nutrition and it'll ruin your digestive tract over time. I always think of horse bread when I eat low- and no-calorie products.
wasn't there a 1970s bread sold for high fiber that actually had wood pulp in it?
A lot of current "Low Carb" and/or "high fiber!" prepared foods use cellulose as filler.
Ironic - a century after we outlaw ersatz foods because they were starving poor babies (see also the history of milk regulation), we're back to adding wood chips to bread and water to milk, because our surplus calories are making kids fat instead....
Cellulose doesn't come only from trees though. It's found in many plants and isn't dangerous to eat. It passes right through your digestive track like many other forms of fiber.0 -
I think the key is consumer awareness! It's all fine and good if I know I'm eating lousy. If I have no idea that a bakery is feeding me mulch (like that odious 70's bread--and Subway's yoga mat scandal more recently), that's a whole other story.0
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tabletop_joe wrote: »I think the key is consumer awareness! It's all fine and good if I know I'm eating lousy. If I have no idea that a bakery is feeding me mulch (like that odious 70's bread--and Subway's yoga mat scandal more recently), that's a whole other story.
My BIL knows I love my green shaker of grated parmesan cheese. He recently read and article on FB about it containing "wood pulp" and gleefully told me about it. I replied "Yeah, I know. It's on the ingredients label."
It doesn't bother me a bit. I've even eaten peanut shells, which I later learned are mostly cellulose. I like fiber.
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tabletop_joe wrote: »I think the key is consumer awareness! It's all fine and good if I know I'm eating lousy. If I have no idea that a bakery is feeding me mulch (like that odious 70's bread--and Subway's yoga mat scandal more recently), that's a whole other story.
Subway wasn't literally putting yoga mats in their bread, FYI. I wouldn't consider a dough conditioner "mulch."3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »tabletop_joe wrote: »I think the key is consumer awareness! It's all fine and good if I know I'm eating lousy. If I have no idea that a bakery is feeding me mulch (like that odious 70's bread--and Subway's yoga mat scandal more recently), that's a whole other story.
Subway wasn't literally putting yoga mats in their bread, FYI. I wouldn't consider a dough conditioner "mulch."
Okay, Jared. 1 -
tabletop_joe wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »tabletop_joe wrote: »I think the key is consumer awareness! It's all fine and good if I know I'm eating lousy. If I have no idea that a bakery is feeding me mulch (like that odious 70's bread--and Subway's yoga mat scandal more recently), that's a whole other story.
Subway wasn't literally putting yoga mats in their bread, FYI. I wouldn't consider a dough conditioner "mulch."
Okay, Jared.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/03/06/286886095/almost-500-foods-contain-the-yoga-mat-compound-should-we-care-keep1 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »tabletop_joe wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »tabletop_joe wrote: »I think the key is consumer awareness! It's all fine and good if I know I'm eating lousy. If I have no idea that a bakery is feeding me mulch (like that odious 70's bread--and Subway's yoga mat scandal more recently), that's a whole other story.
Subway wasn't literally putting yoga mats in their bread, FYI. I wouldn't consider a dough conditioner "mulch."
Okay, Jared.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/03/06/286886095/almost-500-foods-contain-the-yoga-mat-compound-should-we-care-keep
Yeah, I didn't have to read past the words "food babe" to know this was woo.2 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »tabletop_joe wrote: »There was also the horrible practice of baking so-called horse bread. That is bread cut with other non-digestible ingredients--saw dust, grass, straw bits, even sand--used as a filler. So you feel full on bread made from free stuff kicking around the yard, but there's no calories or nutrition and it'll ruin your digestive tract over time. I always think of horse bread when I eat low- and no-calorie products.
wasn't there a 1970s bread sold for high fiber that actually had wood pulp in it?
A lot of current "Low Carb" and/or "high fiber!" prepared foods use cellulose as filler.
Ironic - a century after we outlaw ersatz foods because they were starving poor babies (see also the history of milk regulation), we're back to adding chips to bread and water to milk, because our surplus calories are making kids fat instead....
Cellulose doesn't come only from trees though. It's found in many plants and isn't dangerous to eat. It passes right through your digestive track like many other forms of fiber.
And if it does come from trees, who cares? That's immaterial to determining what's unhealthful. We eat tree parts routinely. Cinnamon (bark) and maple syrup (sap) are two I can think of off the top of my head, without even researching, let alone getting into nuts and fruits.
Jeesh, the stuff that click-bait web sites and health hysteria peddlers come up with, to get people whipped up!
Just laying this out there, as it's one of the best pieces of satire for this sort of thing that I've ever seen:
http://www.dhmo.org
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Thanks for the thread, OP. I think of it as the opposite of penitence... it is like a puzzle figuring out how to pack the foods you love most into fewer calories by prioritizing what brings the most enjoyment and figuring out what you can cut without cutting enjoyment. Because as one of your first commenters said, adherence is a lot easier if you're enjoying yourself. Cheers!.2
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »tabletop_joe wrote: »There was also the horrible practice of baking so-called horse bread. That is bread cut with other non-digestible ingredients--saw dust, grass, straw bits, even sand--used as a filler. So you feel full on bread made from free stuff kicking around the yard, but there's no calories or nutrition and it'll ruin your digestive tract over time. I always think of horse bread when I eat low- and no-calorie products.
wasn't there a 1970s bread sold for high fiber that actually had wood pulp in it?
A lot of current "Low Carb" and/or "high fiber!" prepared foods use cellulose as filler.
Ironic - a century after we outlaw ersatz foods because they were starving poor babies (see also the history of milk regulation), we're back to adding chips to bread and water to milk, because our surplus calories are making kids fat instead....
Cellulose doesn't come only from trees though. It's found in many plants and isn't dangerous to eat. It passes right through your digestive track like many other forms of fiber.
And if it does come from trees, who cares? That's immaterial to determining what's unhealthful. We eat tree parts routinely. Cinnamon (bark) and maple syrup (sap) are two I can think of off the top of my head, without even researching, let alone getting into nuts and fruits.
Jeesh, the stuff that click-bait web sites and health hysteria peddlers come up with, to get people whipped up!
Just laying this out there, as it's one of the best pieces of satire for this sort of thing that I've ever seen:
http://www.dhmo.org
Cinnamon and maples syrup, also 2 things that are delicious with peanut butter. Throw in some high fiber bread and you've got a delicious pb and tree extravaganza.2 -
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This is absolutely 100% factual. The biggest thing that I think escapes people is that unless you are rolling in dough, you MUST MUST MUST learn to cook and cook fairly well so that you can maintain a long term sustainable lifestyle. Taste, texture, flavor, aroma, all of these things MATTER.3
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This is absolutely 100% factual. The biggest thing that I think escapes people is that unless you are rolling in dough, you MUST MUST MUST learn to cook and cook fairly well so that you can maintain a long term sustainable lifestyle. Taste, texture, flavor, aroma, all of these things MATTER.
I know that you mean 'dough' as in $$$, but I literally keep picturing someone rolling themselves up in a giant pizza dough.
ETA: just checked my cals for today to make sure that I have enough left for pizza today.
Wait - we were talking about foods of penitence, so probably not pizza :P2 -
This is absolutely 100% factual. The biggest thing that I think escapes people is that unless you are rolling in dough, you MUST MUST MUST learn to cook and cook fairly well so that you can maintain a long term sustainable lifestyle. Taste, texture, flavor, aroma, all of these things MATTER.
I know that you mean 'dough' as in $$$, but I literally keep picturing someone rolling themselves up in a giant pizza dough.
Me, too.
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This is absolutely 100% factual. The biggest thing that I think escapes people is that unless you are rolling in dough, you MUST MUST MUST learn to cook and cook fairly well so that you can maintain a long term sustainable lifestyle. Taste, texture, flavor, aroma, all of these things MATTER.
I know that you mean 'dough' as in $$$, but I literally keep picturing someone rolling themselves up in a giant pizza dough.
ETA: just checked my cals for today to make sure that I have enough left for pizza today.
Wait - we were talking about foods of penitence, so probably not pizza :P
Human calzones? Hmm, familiar concept.
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I agThis is absolutely 100% factual. The biggest thing that I think escapes people is that unless you are rolling in dough, you MUST MUST MUST learn to cook and cook fairly well so that you can maintain a long term sustainable lifestyle. Taste, texture, flavor, aroma, all of these things MATTER.
Yes, cook. I love to cook and have learned how to modify my favs, so that they are healthier. One of my faves is turkey sausage with okra or cabbage with turkey sausage. Also, baked buffalo wings with onions and cut up jalepenos.2 -
I'm not in the anti-yoga mat compound camp. I didn't mean to start a controversy/source-citing frenzy. Eat fresh, friends.1
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Heidi thank you for this!!! I love food, so much. Being mindful of taste has only made me healthier; it's helped me work through emotional eating habits. Happy nomming!
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TeacupsAndToning wrote: »Every time I see this thread I read it as, "no one can live on foods of pestilence."
Obviously.
LMAO. Post of the week! I truly LOL'd.1
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