Whats the logic behind this calculations?

flemmingss
flemmingss Posts: 32 Member
edited November 20 in Health and Weight Loss
This is wrong? or am i thinking wrong?
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  • Duck_Puddle
    Duck_Puddle Posts: 3,237 Member
    edited August 2017
    Evidently you have an activity tracker linked to your account and that tracker believes you will burn 186 calories fewer than mfp thinks you will burn. A "+" amount there is a negative calorie adjustment due to an activity tracker.

    So it's not wrong as it is. It may not make sense if you're expecting a calorie boost from your activity tracker, but it's not wrong. Unless you don't have an activity tracker linked to your account. Then something is wrong.
  • malibu927
    malibu927 Posts: 17,562 Member
    edited August 2017
    It means that MFP looked at your activity tracker and estimated that, based on your calorie burn at the time of your last sync, you would burn 186 calories less than maintenance. In order to keep your deficit consistent, it took that amount off of your goal, and you right now have overeaten by 267 calories.

    This is what the negative adjustment does. Move more and turn that positive.
  • mranlett
    mranlett Posts: 56 Member
    If you have MFP Premium, you can turn off the "eat your exercise calories" function. Then you set a calorie target and MFP sticks to the target, regardless of your workouts or activity trackers.
  • BogQueen1
    BogQueen1 Posts: 320 Member
    Also, in the non premium function, you can disable negative calorie adjustments. Meaning it won't ever do this kind of thing to you.
  • MommaGem2017
    MommaGem2017 Posts: 405 Member
    Ahhhhh, this is what negative adjustments look like. Good to know.
  • flemmingss
    flemmingss Posts: 32 Member
    hmm, i se the value in negative in the website:
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    mranlett wrote: »
    If you have MFP Premium, you can turn off the "eat your exercise calories" function. Then you set a calorie target and MFP sticks to the target, regardless of your workouts or activity trackers.
    Well, I don't want to do that, i just want to be 2-400kcal under to loose as little muscles as possible



  • CattOfTheGarage
    CattOfTheGarage Posts: 2,745 Member
    My word, that's confusing.
  • Duck_Puddle
    Duck_Puddle Posts: 3,237 Member
    Because it needs to be as confusing as possible, it displays differently in different places. A negative adjustment (meaning you're not burning enough calories) shows as a "+" on the main page of the web. It shows as a "-" on the app. I would assume the exercise diary entries to be similarly confusing (in terms of +/- signs).
  • Duck_Puddle
    Duck_Puddle Posts: 3,237 Member
    CattOfTheGarage wrote: »
    My word, that's confusing.

    And it shows up differently in different places (web vs app vs what screen on the web, etc.). When you break it down, it's all about what specific value is ultimately being displayed (net calories vs calories remaining) and/or a total amount to be added or subtracted to the day's allowance-but it's extremely confusing.
  • flemmingss
    flemmingss Posts: 32 Member
    edited August 2017
    mranlett wrote: »
    Losing or not losing muscle is not necessarily a function of the calorie count, but a function of the mix of macros you eat and when you eat them. The best defense for this is to get a scale or hand-held electronic body fat monitor. They're not very precise, but using the same one consistently will help you track body fat and muscle composition. That + Excel for tracking trends are your friends.
    I have a Omron BF511 i use, it is a ok tool to use, but not that precise. I use "Weight logger" to log
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kochka.android.weightlogger

    This is my stats for now, idk how good or bad it is:
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    for macros, I eat a lot of protein (what I need++), medium fat, low carb
  • TimothyFish
    TimothyFish Posts: 4,925 Member
    There's nothing difficult about it. You just ate 267 more calories than what your goal was.
  • Ready2Getcut
    Ready2Getcut Posts: 68 Member
    edited August 2017
    TimothyFish wrote: »
    There's nothing difficult about it. You just ate 267 more calories than what your goal was.

    He's right- a net Calorie surplus is displayed in "RED"!

    But wait.....The exercise calories were added to the daily total, instead of being subtracted.

    It might have to do with how the exercise was entered. If you entered it manually ( from your own tracker or a separate app)- it needs to be entered as "-186"
  • CattOfTheGarage
    CattOfTheGarage Posts: 2,745 Member
    TimothyFish wrote: »
    There's nothing difficult about it. You just ate 267 more calories than what your goal was.

    If you only look at the bottom line, true, but what's confusing is that it's arriving at that number by applying a negative amount of exercise. I can see how that sort of makes sense where an activity tracker is involved and it's been a lazy day - but it's far from intuitive!
  • flemmingss
    flemmingss Posts: 32 Member
    okey, so it may be somthing wrong here as I see it.
    anyway, I still was in a kcal deficit this day as I read it?
  • Ready2Getcut
    Ready2Getcut Posts: 68 Member
    flemmingss wrote: »
    okey, so it may be somthing wrong here as I see it.
    anyway, I still was in a kcal deficit this day as I read it?

    yes- 1985 net calories
  • flemmingss
    flemmingss Posts: 32 Member
    edited August 2017
    also, what is the logic behind this? (My "activety level" is Sedentary)
    6137 steps = -64kcal
    6047 steps = 172 kcal
    4551 steps = 215 kcal

    somtimes I eat too little, and the next dey the steps-kcal have totaly changed and then it looks like i did eat to much...

    ???
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  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    edited August 2017
    flemmingss wrote: »
    also, what is the logic behind this? (My "activety level" is Sedentary)
    6137 steps = -64kcal
    6047 steps = 172 kcal
    4551 steps = 215 kcal

    somtimes I eat too little, and the next dey the steps-kcal have totaly changed and then it looks like i did eat to much...

    ???

    I was thinking time of day but if the two 17:45 and the 00:49 are times than I am even more confused.
  • CyberTone
    CyberTone Posts: 7,337 Member
    Have you checked that the time zones in both apps are set to the same zone?
  • tomteboda
    tomteboda Posts: 2,171 Member
    I find my activity tracker does the same thing if I enable negative adjustments. It's like the + / - sign gets inverted if the activity tracker thinks you've burned more calories than MFP does. For this reason I do not enable negative calorie adjustments. Given I set my activity to "sedentary" it shouldn't be possible to get them anyway.
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,303 Member
    I see double Pacer adjustments. Sometimes it pays to disconnect all apps log off on all apps. Log on again and re-connect them. Ideally you should only get a single Pacer adjustment a day.

    Make sure the time zones match on all your apps.

    MFP splits your chosen activity level (and calories) in 1440 minutes, and assigns you the same number of calories per minute of day or night.

    Most activity trackers give you more calories when active and less calories when less active. In other words they give you variable calories throughout the day.

    If you go to bed or become inactive before midnight you will "lose" calories you thought you had gained by being comparatively more active during the day.

    The "adjustment" between tracker and MFP is final as of midnight.

    @tomteboda MFP sedentary is BMR x 1.25 When sleeping you may be spending as little as 1x BMR
    Thus you can easily have a -0.25 x BMR adjustment from sedentary.
  • flemmingss
    flemmingss Posts: 32 Member
    edited August 2017
    okey.
    I mostly do all my walking in the day/worktime and most of my eating in the evening.
    How can i control this if MFP just assume that I walk the same amount of steps the whole day?

    And the timezones looks correct
  • SarahLascelles1
    SarahLascelles1 Posts: 95 Member
    Negative adjustment is weird. When I had it switched on, I'd lose calories for going for a walk, but not for sitting on the settee. There's no version of reality in which that worked, so I switched it off.
  • tomteboda
    tomteboda Posts: 2,171 Member
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    I see double Pacer adjustments. Sometimes it pays to disconnect all apps log off on all apps. Log on again and re-connect them. Ideally you should only get a single Pacer adjustment a day.

    Make sure the time zones match on all your apps.

    MFP splits your chosen activity level (and calories) in 1440 minutes, and assigns you the same number of calories per minute of day or night.

    Most activity trackers give you more calories when active and less calories when less active. In other words they give you variable calories throughout the day.

    If you go to bed or become inactive before midnight you will "lose" calories you thought you had gained by being comparatively more active during the day.

    The "adjustment" between tracker and MFP is final as of midnight.

    @tomteboda MFP sedentary is BMR x 1.25 When sleeping you may be spending as little as 1x BMR
    Thus you can easily have a -0.25 x BMR adjustment from sedentary.

    You aren't understanding the problem. If I take no steps, my step tracker adjustment is 0 with negative calorie adjustments enabled. If I walk
    2,500 steps, MFP says I've broken even .

    Any steps more than that and MFP takes away calories from me. By the time I get to 15,000 steps (about my daily average), MFP tells me I've LOST over 600 calories.

    Of course since my goal is <1800 that means it bottoms out at 1200 every day (my net goal is 1360 to maintain).

    With negative calorie adjustments enabled, MFP always takes away calories instead of adding them for activity for me. This has happened for over a year and is incredibly frustrating. It happens as soon as Shealth says that I've burned more calories than MFP's activity setting does. I believe that there is a code error in the communication with Shealth (my activity tracker).

    I disabled negative adjustments, put MFP on sedentary, and went to only counting steps, not logging specific exercises. This is at least consistent and doesn't end with MFP talking me day after day that at 5'9" and 155 lbs and 15,000 steps that I can only eat 1200 calories.
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