Plant based people, where ya at?
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accidentalpancake wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »Plenty of vegan, vegetarian, and related eaters around here.
I'll echo the comments on the term "plant-based", however. It's misleading and actually quite condescending when you break it down. The implication is that if your diet doesn't match, it's lacking in plants, and therefore not as healthy, which is patently false. I eat plenty of plants, but also lots of other foods that fuel my daily performance, whatever those might be.
Call it what it is: vegetarian, vegan, etc. Hell, call it plant-exclusive. Plant-based is a non-starter.
Vegan wouldn't be an appropriate term for someone who avoids animal products in their diet but is fine with other types of animal exploitation. Plant-based may not be the term that you prefer, but veganism is an ethical position.
That's why I didn't limit to the term vegan, and included vegetarian, etc. as well. I'm not here to make a comprehensive list. Plant-based as a WOE term is disingenuous, because it's not plant-based, it's plant-exclusive. It has nothing to do with preference.
I apologize, when you said "Call it what it is" and then listed "vegan" as an option, I thought you were saying vegan would be one of the things it is.
Point taken. I was simply providing a list of things that it could fall under, from a purely technical standpoint. I know vegans who have taken up the WFPB banner, since it doesn't carry the same baggage as 'vegan'.
Not to seem contentious, but that is what I was pointing out -- if someone is limiting their diet to plants but engaging in other forms of animal exploitation (what many people mean now when they say "plant-based," then vegan wouldn't be an accurate term for them). A vegan could be WFPB, but someone isn't vegan simply because they are WFPB -- if that makes sense. It doesn't fall under veganism from a "technical standpoint."
In my experience, "plant-based" is a term that people are using to describe avoiding (or limiting) animal products in the diet. If they aren't going to use "plant-based" because some people don't like it, we'll need another term.3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »Plenty of vegan, vegetarian, and related eaters around here.
I'll echo the comments on the term "plant-based", however. It's misleading and actually quite condescending when you break it down. The implication is that if your diet doesn't match, it's lacking in plants, and therefore not as healthy, which is patently false. I eat plenty of plants, but also lots of other foods that fuel my daily performance, whatever those might be.
Call it what it is: vegetarian, vegan, etc. Hell, call it plant-exclusive. Plant-based is a non-starter.
Vegan wouldn't be an appropriate term for someone who avoids animal products in their diet but is fine with other types of animal exploitation. Plant-based may not be the term that you prefer, but veganism is an ethical position.
That's why I didn't limit to the term vegan, and included vegetarian, etc. as well. I'm not here to make a comprehensive list. Plant-based as a WOE term is disingenuous, because it's not plant-based, it's plant-exclusive. It has nothing to do with preference.
I apologize, when you said "Call it what it is" and then listed "vegan" as an option, I thought you were saying vegan would be one of the things it is.
Point taken. I was simply providing a list of things that it could fall under, from a purely technical standpoint. I know vegans who have taken up the WFPB banner, since it doesn't carry the same baggage as 'vegan'.
Not to seem contentious, but that is what I was pointing out -- if someone is limiting their diet to plants but engaging in other forms of animal exploitation (what many people mean now when they say "plant-based," then vegan wouldn't be an accurate term for them). A vegan could be WFPB, but someone isn't vegan simply because they are WFPB -- if that makes sense. It doesn't fall under veganism from a "technical standpoint."
In my experience, "plant-based" is a term that people are using to describe avoiding (or limiting) animal products in the diet. If they aren't going to use "plant-based" because some people don't like it, we'll need another term.
Vegetarian seems to be an established term for that already. Is it not?0 -
I think the key may be adjectives.janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »Plenty of vegan, vegetarian, and related eaters around here.
I'll echo the comments on the term "plant-based", however. It's misleading and actually quite condescending when you break it down. The implication is that if your diet doesn't match, it's lacking in plants, and therefore not as healthy, which is patently false. I eat plenty of plants, but also lots of other foods that fuel my daily performance, whatever those might be.
Call it what it is: vegetarian, vegan, etc. Hell, call it plant-exclusive. Plant-based is a non-starter.
Vegan wouldn't be an appropriate term for someone who avoids animal products in their diet but is fine with other types of animal exploitation. Plant-based may not be the term that you prefer, but veganism is an ethical position.
That's why I didn't limit to the term vegan, and included vegetarian, etc. as well. I'm not here to make a comprehensive list. Plant-based as a WOE term is disingenuous, because it's not plant-based, it's plant-exclusive. It has nothing to do with preference.
I apologize, when you said "Call it what it is" and then listed "vegan" as an option, I thought you were saying vegan would be one of the things it is.
Point taken. I was simply providing a list of things that it could fall under, from a purely technical standpoint. I know vegans who have taken up the WFPB banner, since it doesn't carry the same baggage as 'vegan'.
Not to seem contentious, but that is what I was pointing out -- if someone is limiting their diet to plants but engaging in other forms of animal exploitation (what many people mean now when they say "plant-based," then vegan wouldn't be an accurate term for them). A vegan could be WFPB, but someone isn't vegan simply because they are WFPB -- if that makes sense. It doesn't fall under veganism from a "technical standpoint."
In my experience, "plant-based" is a term that people are using to describe avoiding (or limiting) animal products in the diet. If they aren't going to use "plant-based" because some people don't like it, we'll need another term.
At the moment, people say 'plant-based' willy-nilly, as a shorthand. I'm all for shorthand; it's a device to make communication more efficient. But in this case, it's not working because sometimes they mean they are entirely avoiding animal products. Sometimes they mean they are severely limiting them.
I give you...
*drumroll*
the words...
partially and wholly. "Partially PB" and "wholly PB" would sort out the misunderstandings.
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Not so much. Vegetarianism is most commonly used as a shorthand for "lacto-ovo-vegetarian", someone who doesn't eat meat, fish, fowl or any other animal products, except for dairy products and eggs. Such a dietary lifestyle is generally an ethical position, but not always. Most of the vegetarians I know are ethical vegetarians and so don't use animal products like leather or soap with tallow in.accidentalpancake wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »Plenty of vegan, vegetarian, and related eaters around here.
I'll echo the comments on the term "plant-based", however. It's misleading and actually quite condescending when you break it down. The implication is that if your diet doesn't match, it's lacking in plants, and therefore not as healthy, which is patently false. I eat plenty of plants, but also lots of other foods that fuel my daily performance, whatever those might be.
Call it what it is: vegetarian, vegan, etc. Hell, call it plant-exclusive. Plant-based is a non-starter.
Vegan wouldn't be an appropriate term for someone who avoids animal products in their diet but is fine with other types of animal exploitation. Plant-based may not be the term that you prefer, but veganism is an ethical position.
That's why I didn't limit to the term vegan, and included vegetarian, etc. as well. I'm not here to make a comprehensive list. Plant-based as a WOE term is disingenuous, because it's not plant-based, it's plant-exclusive. It has nothing to do with preference.
I apologize, when you said "Call it what it is" and then listed "vegan" as an option, I thought you were saying vegan would be one of the things it is.
Point taken. I was simply providing a list of things that it could fall under, from a purely technical standpoint. I know vegans who have taken up the WFPB banner, since it doesn't carry the same baggage as 'vegan'.
Not to seem contentious, but that is what I was pointing out -- if someone is limiting their diet to plants but engaging in other forms of animal exploitation (what many people mean now when they say "plant-based," then vegan wouldn't be an accurate term for them). A vegan could be WFPB, but someone isn't vegan simply because they are WFPB -- if that makes sense. It doesn't fall under veganism from a "technical standpoint."
In my experience, "plant-based" is a term that people are using to describe avoiding (or limiting) animal products in the diet. If they aren't going to use "plant-based" because some people don't like it, we'll need another term.
Vegetarian seems to be an established term for that already. Is it not?
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accidentalpancake wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »Plenty of vegan, vegetarian, and related eaters around here.
I'll echo the comments on the term "plant-based", however. It's misleading and actually quite condescending when you break it down. The implication is that if your diet doesn't match, it's lacking in plants, and therefore not as healthy, which is patently false. I eat plenty of plants, but also lots of other foods that fuel my daily performance, whatever those might be.
Call it what it is: vegetarian, vegan, etc. Hell, call it plant-exclusive. Plant-based is a non-starter.
Vegan wouldn't be an appropriate term for someone who avoids animal products in their diet but is fine with other types of animal exploitation. Plant-based may not be the term that you prefer, but veganism is an ethical position.
That's why I didn't limit to the term vegan, and included vegetarian, etc. as well. I'm not here to make a comprehensive list. Plant-based as a WOE term is disingenuous, because it's not plant-based, it's plant-exclusive. It has nothing to do with preference.
I apologize, when you said "Call it what it is" and then listed "vegan" as an option, I thought you were saying vegan would be one of the things it is.
Point taken. I was simply providing a list of things that it could fall under, from a purely technical standpoint. I know vegans who have taken up the WFPB banner, since it doesn't carry the same baggage as 'vegan'.
Not to seem contentious, but that is what I was pointing out -- if someone is limiting their diet to plants but engaging in other forms of animal exploitation (what many people mean now when they say "plant-based," then vegan wouldn't be an accurate term for them). A vegan could be WFPB, but someone isn't vegan simply because they are WFPB -- if that makes sense. It doesn't fall under veganism from a "technical standpoint."
In my experience, "plant-based" is a term that people are using to describe avoiding (or limiting) animal products in the diet. If they aren't going to use "plant-based" because some people don't like it, we'll need another term.
Vegetarian seems to be an established term for that already. Is it not?
I wouldn't have any objection to someone using that, but (at least in the US), it has a strong association with lacto-ovo vegetarianism. So if someone was committed to avoiding the consumption of dairy and eggs, it may not work for them personally as a way to describe their diet to others.0 -
HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
I think the key may be adjectives.janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »Plenty of vegan, vegetarian, and related eaters around here.
I'll echo the comments on the term "plant-based", however. It's misleading and actually quite condescending when you break it down. The implication is that if your diet doesn't match, it's lacking in plants, and therefore not as healthy, which is patently false. I eat plenty of plants, but also lots of other foods that fuel my daily performance, whatever those might be.
Call it what it is: vegetarian, vegan, etc. Hell, call it plant-exclusive. Plant-based is a non-starter.
Vegan wouldn't be an appropriate term for someone who avoids animal products in their diet but is fine with other types of animal exploitation. Plant-based may not be the term that you prefer, but veganism is an ethical position.
That's why I didn't limit to the term vegan, and included vegetarian, etc. as well. I'm not here to make a comprehensive list. Plant-based as a WOE term is disingenuous, because it's not plant-based, it's plant-exclusive. It has nothing to do with preference.
I apologize, when you said "Call it what it is" and then listed "vegan" as an option, I thought you were saying vegan would be one of the things it is.
Point taken. I was simply providing a list of things that it could fall under, from a purely technical standpoint. I know vegans who have taken up the WFPB banner, since it doesn't carry the same baggage as 'vegan'.
Not to seem contentious, but that is what I was pointing out -- if someone is limiting their diet to plants but engaging in other forms of animal exploitation (what many people mean now when they say "plant-based," then vegan wouldn't be an accurate term for them). A vegan could be WFPB, but someone isn't vegan simply because they are WFPB -- if that makes sense. It doesn't fall under veganism from a "technical standpoint."
In my experience, "plant-based" is a term that people are using to describe avoiding (or limiting) animal products in the diet. If they aren't going to use "plant-based" because some people don't like it, we'll need another term.
At the moment, people say 'plant-based' willy-nilly, as a shorthand. I'm all for shorthand; it's a device to make communication more efficient. But in this case, it's not working because sometimes they mean they are entirely avoiding animal products. Sometimes they mean they are severely limiting them.
I give you...
*drumroll*
the words...
partially and wholly. "Partially PB" and "wholly PB" would sort out the misunderstandings.
I think you solved it!1 -
Um, may I just clarify a very, very, very important point?
Partially and wholly are adverbs and I have no idea why I put "adjectives" before.
As you were.
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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Dunno about that one either. "Plant-exclusive" sounds like someone who excludes plants!
English is hard.
Plant monogamous.
(I don't really care, I'm used to plant-based as shorthand for what OP used it to mean, just trying to help.) ;-)3 -
I like it!lemurcat12 wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Dunno about that one either. "Plant-exclusive" sounds like someone who excludes plants!
English is hard.
Plant monogamous.
(I don't really care, I'm used to plant-based as shorthand for what OP used it to mean, just trying to help.) ;-)
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janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »accidentalpancake wrote: »Plenty of vegan, vegetarian, and related eaters around here.
I'll echo the comments on the term "plant-based", however. It's misleading and actually quite condescending when you break it down. The implication is that if your diet doesn't match, it's lacking in plants, and therefore not as healthy, which is patently false. I eat plenty of plants, but also lots of other foods that fuel my daily performance, whatever those might be.
Call it what it is: vegetarian, vegan, etc. Hell, call it plant-exclusive. Plant-based is a non-starter.
Vegan wouldn't be an appropriate term for someone who avoids animal products in their diet but is fine with other types of animal exploitation. Plant-based may not be the term that you prefer, but veganism is an ethical position.
That's why I didn't limit to the term vegan, and included vegetarian, etc. as well. I'm not here to make a comprehensive list. Plant-based as a WOE term is disingenuous, because it's not plant-based, it's plant-exclusive. It has nothing to do with preference.
I apologize, when you said "Call it what it is" and then listed "vegan" as an option, I thought you were saying vegan would be one of the things it is.
Point taken. I was simply providing a list of things that it could fall under, from a purely technical standpoint. I know vegans who have taken up the WFPB banner, since it doesn't carry the same baggage as 'vegan'.
Not to seem contentious, but that is what I was pointing out -- if someone is limiting their diet to plants but engaging in other forms of animal exploitation (what many people mean now when they say "plant-based," then vegan wouldn't be an accurate term for them). A vegan could be WFPB, but someone isn't vegan simply because they are WFPB -- if that makes sense. It doesn't fall under veganism from a "technical standpoint."
In my experience, "plant-based" is a term that people are using to describe avoiding (or limiting) animal products in the diet. If they aren't going to use "plant-based" because some people don't like it, we'll need another term.
Yep, this. I consider my diet a plant based one, because the majority of what I eat is veg/fruit, grains, beans, nuts and seeds, olives etc. I follow a modified DASH protocol and eat 3 ounces of fish or chicken a day and then 2-3 servings of dairy. Everything else is plant based/majority of my calorie intake comes from plant sources. I'm definitely not a vegetarian though.0 -
To be honest, I initially used the term plant based in my original post based on the stigma non/radical vegans have made. Unfortunately, veganism has a few connotations (at least in the US i.e. where I'm from). I use both terms interchangeably to avoid confrontation, especially in a social setting.
Nevertheless, I am not ashamed to be titled as a vegan. Sorry if this caused some confusion!0 -
Hey! I'm a vegan! ✌1
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Hmm, when I hear "plant based" I interpret it to mean people who eat primarily plants, but other things (possibly meat, dairy, fish) in small quantities as well.3
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Woot woot!!0
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PinkPupper wrote: »I've never taken plant based to mean vegan or vegetarian. I see those as stricter versions of plant based. The definitions I've seen allowed for animal products and meat, but as long as the large majority of one's diet is plant based, they would be under that umbrella. I consider myself plant based, even though I eat animals & animal products. Most of my intake comes from plants though.
Plant based is consider a diet which consists of only plants.
This is a relatively new consideration. Plant based diets are just that - diets that are based on plants. Which is different than a diet of only plants.2 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »Dunno about that one either. "Plant-exclusive" sounds like someone who excludes plants!
English is hard.
Plant monogamous.
(I don't really care, I'm used to plant-based as shorthand for what OP used it to mean, just trying to help.) ;-)
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Well this is a fun thread! I'm currently adjusting my eating to reduce dairy and meat, and potentially eliminate them. Doing it for both health and humane reasons. My biggest adjustment has been family meal planning...my whole life, dinners have been planned around the meat main course, with vegetables and grains as sides. It's definitely a new mindset!1
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livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Plant based is such a vague term... Grain is plant based, sugar is plant based, oils are plant based, fruit and vegies are plant based, alcohol and many drugs are plant based.
Dairy, meat, eggs... From animals that survive on plants...
I'm not "plant based" but I eat around 1.5kgs vegies and fruit a day...
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My plant base eating does not include any processed food. Nothing that came from something with a face. No oils and nothing with more than two ingredients. We can all define it in whatever works for us.0
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This is a six year old thread and the person you are quoting hasn’t been on in almost three years and will probably not see your response.0
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Hi, a whole food plant-based vegan here. Health, environment, ethical and longevity. Nuf said. All smiles, complex carbs, nuts grains, veggies, fruit, cacao, carob...coffee. Water, herbs, tea,,, yes Soy, carbs and sprouted bread.... yup, happy here, add if you like. Done with fads. Yay!0
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