ROAD TO GETTING LEAN!!!!
danildamola
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I use to be skinny fat, with a pot belly. i started working in 2012, i walked into the gym as a novice. i had no idea of what i was doing or what i was gonna do. over the year i have learnt, made mistakes, but never made any significant progress. Until recently that i came across the right information all for free. i have made significant progress over the past 14 weeks lost 27 lbs. i am pretty excited and i am still going on.
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What information?2
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Before you choose a workout plan, you need to figure out diet plan. Most important thing is WHAT TO EAT AND HOW MUCH TO EAT. Its the most important fact to consider during any fat loss process.7
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danildamola wrote: »Before you choose a workout plan, you need to figure out diet plan. Most important thing is WHAT TO EAT AND HOW MUCH TO EAT. Its the most important fact to consider during any fat loss process.
I'm not sure WHAT we eat really matters as long as we get appropriate macros, micros, and we can stay on plan. You seem to be trying to promote something. The truth is that getting lean or gaining muscle are really simple and diet plans should be flexible.5 -
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i am not trying to promote anything at all. in fact all i used during my 14 week run was Pre-workout, protein supplement and BCAA and you can get that anywhere bro. Yes you need too get you Macro right. but in a calorie deficit some things matter like volume. For instance i will rather eat 300g of Broccoli than 300g of sweet potato. they are both good food and i eat both of them but broccoli keeps me full more and not a lot of calories compared to potato. you know what i mean.4
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Macros are important to a degree, but that's still highly individual. Adequate protein for most is .8 grams per pound of lean mass, but to others they need more to not be hungry. I agree that for some food volume is important. I need a balance between sweets and volume, so I suck it up and eat vegetables to save room for ice cream and candy (sometimes a woman has to give into her cravings without blowing her cut).2
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danildamola wrote: »Before you choose a workout plan, you need to figure out diet plan. Most important thing is WHAT TO EAT AND HOW MUCH TO EAT. Its the most important fact to consider during any fat loss process.
So I need to fill up on broscience?7 -
danildamola wrote: »i am not trying to promote anything at all. in fact all i used during my 14 week run was Pre-workout, protein supplement and BCAA and you can get that anywhere bro. Yes you need too get you Macro right. but in a calorie deficit some things matter like volume. For instance i will rather eat 300g of Broccoli than 300g of sweet potato. they are both good food and i eat both of them but broccoli keeps me full more and not a lot of calories compared to potato. you know what i mean.
Same.
300g of sweet potatoes have 92% carbs and only 7% protein, while the same weight of broccoli is only 64% carbs and 27% protein AND half the calories.
Nice job btw you look great!4 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »danildamola wrote: »Before you choose a workout plan, you need to figure out diet plan. Most important thing is WHAT TO EAT AND HOW MUCH TO EAT. Its the most important fact to consider during any fat loss process.
So I need to fill up on broscience?
Its not broscience it's facts and for some new people that are reading the forums it's good information for them to have, backed up with result pictures lol really?!
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Looking great1
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Thanks guys. some people are best ignored. There is so much to learn from sharing ideas and i am looking to learn as much as i can.3
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danildamola wrote: »Thanks guys. some people are best ignored. There is so much to learn from sharing ideas and i am looking to learn as much as i can.
Actually, many of the people who come in and talk about what we eat being a factor are going to tell people they can't eat certain foods. That's where the broscience comment comes from and where my calling out your WHAT we eat comment comes from. No foods are off limits.1 -
NOPE. You've bought into the broscience you've been exposed to. All that requires losing fat is eating less than you burn to tap stored body fat.danildamola wrote: »Before you choose a workout plan, you need to figure out diet plan. Most important thing is WHAT TO EAT AND HOW MUCH TO EAT. Its the most important fact to consider during any fat loss process.
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So in other words you lose weight because you eat less calories. That's NOT new information bro.danildamola wrote: »i am not trying to promote anything at all. in fact all i used during my 14 week run was Pre-workout, protein supplement and BCAA and you can get that anywhere bro. Yes you need too get you Macro right. but in a calorie deficit some things matter like volume. For instance i will rather eat 300g of Broccoli than 300g of sweet potato. they are both good food and i eat both of them but broccoli keeps me full more and not a lot of calories compared to potato. you know what i mean.
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that some food has MORE calories than others when comparing volume. The dogma that the bodybuilding and fitness industry promotes is that one has to eat a certain way to get lean. Go tell that the lean and mean in the penitentiary. I guarantee their food isn't great quality.jamacianredhair wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »danildamola wrote: »Before you choose a workout plan, you need to figure out diet plan. Most important thing is WHAT TO EAT AND HOW MUCH TO EAT. Its the most important fact to consider during any fat loss process.
So I need to fill up on broscience?
Its not broscience it's facts and for some new people that are reading the forums it's good information for them to have, backed up with result pictures lol really?!
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So in other words you lose weight because you eat less calories. That's NOT new information bro.danildamola wrote: »i am not trying to promote anything at all. in fact all i used during my 14 week run was Pre-workout, protein supplement and BCAA and you can get that anywhere bro. Yes you need too get you Macro right. but in a calorie deficit some things matter like volume. For instance i will rather eat 300g of Broccoli than 300g of sweet potato. they are both good food and i eat both of them but broccoli keeps me full more and not a lot of calories compared to potato. you know what i mean.
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I don't think he said anything about "new" information. Maybe I missed it, though.3 -
New to him if he didn't know it and is trying to pass it on.ijsantos2005 wrote: »
So in other words you lose weight because you eat less calories. That's NOT new information bro.danildamola wrote: »i am not trying to promote anything at all. in fact all i used during my 14 week run was Pre-workout, protein supplement and BCAA and you can get that anywhere bro. Yes you need too get you Macro right. but in a calorie deficit some things matter like volume. For instance i will rather eat 300g of Broccoli than 300g of sweet potato. they are both good food and i eat both of them but broccoli keeps me full more and not a lot of calories compared to potato. you know what i mean.
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I don't think he said anything about "new" information. Maybe I missed it, though.
People can choose how to lose weight on whatever approach they think will fit their needs or liking. Some like IIFYM, some like OMAD, some like keto, etc.
Point being that to get lean they all have one thing in common................................eating less than you burn.
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So ignoring people who may have years of experience in weight loss and actual physiology and biology is "looking to learn"? Lol, sounds kinda hypocritical doesn't it?danildamola wrote: »Thanks guys. some people are best ignored. There is so much to learn from sharing ideas and i am looking to learn as much as i can.
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@ninerbuff are you having a bad day?
I can't see any justification for you to start making arguments (strawman?) against the OP.
I read the OP as someone that figured out how to get to their goals and wanted to share their story. I guess you could argue that he's on the wrong forum for that, but I didn't read anything that he wrote that sounds like bro science.
Maybe you know him better than I do..7 -
ijsantos2005 wrote: »@ninerbuff are you having a bad day?
I can't see any justification for you to start making arguments (strawman?) against the OP.
I read the OP as someone that figured out how to get to their goals and wanted to share their story. I guess you could argue that he's on the wrong forum for that, but I didn't read anything that he wrote that sounds like bro science.
Maybe you know him better than I do..
That's how I read the OP, too. I know he said
but the "what to eat" could mean more than just specific foods while in a deficit. He later addedMost important thing is WHAT TO EAT AND HOW MUCH TO EAT
which makes me think maybe his "what you eat" includes foods that provide satiety for him rather than just some prescribed diet of the so-called Right Foods.but in a calorie deficit some things matter like volume. For instance i will rather eat 300g of Broccoli than 300g of sweet potato. they are both good food and i eat both of them but broccoli keeps me full more
But without directly asking the OP for clarification, I suppose we'll never know and have to rely on assumptions.4 -
Bad day? Nah, I'm just being blunt. I usually am with people that come on the forums with basic broscience. And it is broscience.ijsantos2005 wrote: »@ninerbuff are you having a bad day?
I can't see any justification for you to start making arguments (strawman?) against the OP.
I read the OP as someone that figured out how to get to their goals and wanted to share their story. I guess you could argue that he's on the wrong forum for that, but I didn't read anything that he wrote that sounds like bro science.
Maybe you know him better than I do..
If what you eat really mattered so much, then other countries that have access to fast food, processed foods, junk foods, etc. should have the same overweight and obesity issues we have in the US. If it mattered so much, then as I have mentioned before, people in prison shouldn't be able to get lean or ripped.
What he did figure out is that he did need to eat less than he was eating CALORIE WISE via eating less calorie dense food. I'll give him kudos for that. But to say that IT MATTERS WHAT YOU EAT isn't entirely true nor mandatory to get lean. That's broscience.
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Maybe its not rocket science but i wonder lots of people are struggling. The fact is you can loose weight on whatever you eat as long as you consume less calories but tell that to guy who had about 2000 calories or less to eat to achieve his goal. If he doesn't pick his food right staying full throughout the day with enough energy to workout and run the day will difficult. that is why i think saying you can you can loose weight while eating whatever you want is Half the information some people. That was why i mentioned what eat in my initial post.3
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Sounds to me like your "what to eat" pertains to appetite and energy needs, which I agree with, but would add that it's entirely individual. Some people do great with high fats, some do great with high carbs, others do great with moderate levels of everything.danildamola wrote: »If he doesn't pick his food right staying full throughout the day with enough energy to workout and run the day will difficult.
Congrats on your success and finding the plan that worked best for you.3 -
danildamola wrote: »Maybe its not rocket science but i wonder lots of people are struggling. The fact is you can loose weight on whatever you eat as long as you consume less calories but tell that to guy who had about 2000 calories or less to eat to achieve his goal. If he doesn't pick his food right staying full throughout the day with enough energy to workout and run the day will difficult. that is why i think saying you can you can loose weight while eating whatever you want is Half the information some people. That was why i mentioned what eat in my initial post.
Exactly man! Congrats on the weight loss.
People around this place want to tell everyone simply to just eat less. "Eat anything you want as long as you are in a calorie deficit" is the answer to every question, but no one tells people how they should go about finding a way to sustainably hold that deficit without feeling starved.7 -
Why does one have to stay "full" throughout the day? And if you're eating less than 2000 calories a day, then you either don't NEED a lot of calories to begin with or you work a very sedentary job. I don't peg you being over 30 years old and based on the door you look to be over 5'7". So don't see why you are eating less than that unless you're not working out at all, which by your physique, I doubt.danildamola wrote: »Maybe its not rocket science but i wonder lots of people are struggling. The fact is you can loose weight on whatever you eat as long as you consume less calories but tell that to guy who had about 2000 calories or less to eat to achieve his goal. If he doesn't pick his food right staying full throughout the day with enough energy to workout and run the day will difficult. that is why i think saying you can you can loose weight while eating whatever you want is Half the information some people. That was why i mentioned what eat in my initial post.
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danildamola wrote: »Maybe its not rocket science but i wonder lots of people are struggling. The fact is you can loose weight on whatever you eat as long as you consume less calories but tell that to guy who had about 2000 calories or less to eat to achieve his goal. If he doesn't pick his food right staying full throughout the day with enough energy to workout and run the day will difficult. that is why i think saying you can you can loose weight while eating whatever you want is Half the information some people. That was why i mentioned what eat in my initial post.
Thank you for this clarification. Yes, people should take into consideration satiety when choosing what foods to incorporate into their meal planning, or risk being hungry throughout. However, it's still not necessary, just more miserable at times. The vast majority of people who post what you eat matters are referring to no white foods, no sugar, no bread, not fat, no carbs, etc, etc. ad nauseum on the list of foods that one must avoid to lose weight. Which is completely ridiculous that people should feel like they are doomed to failure if they don't give up the foods they enjoy. That seems miserable too.2 -
Bad day? Nah, I'm just being blunt. I usually am with people that come on the forums with basic broscience. And it is broscience.ijsantos2005 wrote: »@ninerbuff are you having a bad day?
I can't see any justification for you to start making arguments (strawman?) against the OP.
I read the OP as someone that figured out how to get to their goals and wanted to share their story. I guess you could argue that he's on the wrong forum for that, but I didn't read anything that he wrote that sounds like bro science.
Maybe you know him better than I do..
If what you eat really mattered so much, then other countries that have access to fast food, processed foods, junk foods, etc. should have the same overweight and obesity issues we have in the US. If it mattered so much, then as I have mentioned before, people in prison shouldn't be able to get lean or ripped.
What he did figure out is that he did need to eat less than he was eating CALORIE WISE via eating less calorie dense food. I'll give him kudos for that. But to say that IT MATTERS WHAT YOU EAT isn't entirely true nor mandatory to get lean. That's broscience.
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Yes, you are correct in saying that just a caloric deficit is need to lose weight.
I think it's safe to say that he's not talking about losing weight at any cost.
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I never mentioned i was on a 2000 calorie diet. that was an instance. also i am not 5'7 i am 6'1 maybe you will need my DL to prove that.lol. you seem really quick to come to conclusion and missing the whole point even after i tried to clarify. I believe you can make smarter choices of what you need to eat when you are in a calorie deficit that also a fact. And why do you have to stay full all day? really? can you go to bed hungry and get a good night sleep.lol2
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I wouldn't say that. Eating less than 2000 calories a day for someone that looks so young, is male with a decent muscular physique and is likely exercising to do it, doesn't sound like he's eating correctly.ijsantos2005 wrote: »
Bad day? Nah, I'm just being blunt. I usually am with people that come on the forums with basic broscience. And it is broscience.ijsantos2005 wrote: »@ninerbuff are you having a bad day?
I can't see any justification for you to start making arguments (strawman?) against the OP.
I read the OP as someone that figured out how to get to their goals and wanted to share their story. I guess you could argue that he's on the wrong forum for that, but I didn't read anything that he wrote that sounds like bro science.
Maybe you know him better than I do..
If what you eat really mattered so much, then other countries that have access to fast food, processed foods, junk foods, etc. should have the same overweight and obesity issues we have in the US. If it mattered so much, then as I have mentioned before, people in prison shouldn't be able to get lean or ripped.
What he did figure out is that he did need to eat less than he was eating CALORIE WISE via eating less calorie dense food. I'll give him kudos for that. But to say that IT MATTERS WHAT YOU EAT isn't entirely true nor mandatory to get lean. That's broscience.
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Yes, you are correct in saying that just a caloric deficit is need to lose weight.
I think it's safe to say that he's not talking about losing weight at any cost.
To put it into perspective, at 5'7" and 53 I can sit on the couch all day and eat 2000 calories and lose 1lbs a week. So I personally think he's under eating to meet his goal. He mention losing about 2lbs a week for 14 weeks. And I doubt if he was over 200lbs to begin with.
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The fact is you can loose weight on whatever you eat as long as you consume less calories but tell that to guy who had about 2000 calories or less to eat to achieve his goal.danildamola wrote: »I never mentioned i was on a 2000 calorie diet. that was an instance.
That was YOUR quote. So are we to assume that's false now? If it's inaccurate, the what was your actual calorie count per day to lose 2lbs a week and how much did you weigh when you started?
Didn't say you were 5'7". I said you look to be be at least 5'7" or over. So that means you need even more calories than I do to just maintain your current weight. And for me that would be well over 2700 calories with no exercise.also i am not 5'7 i am 6'1 maybe you will need my DL to prove that.lol.
I don't believe my conclusions are inaccurate. Feel free to point out where I've been mistaken so far.you seem really quick to come to conclusion and missing the whole point even after i tried to clarify.
Sure you can make smarter choices. That's a choice. You stated it "MATTERS WHAT YOU EAT" and that's just not true when going for fat loss. What matter first and foremost is being in a calorie deficit regardless of how you're doing it. If what you ate really mattered, then people who ate only processed foods SHOULDN'T be able to lose body fat and that's not the case.I believe you can make smarter choices of what you need to eat when you are in a calorie deficit that also a fact.
Really. Many people in the world just have a decent dinner and sleep just fine. They don't have to be FULL ALL DAY. If you don't like feeling hungry, then volume eating of low calorie food works for you. But lots of people eat only within an 8 hour window or less and do just fine because they acquired the behavior to do it (intermittent fasting). And many have to eat calorie dense foods to meet their calorie goal to do it. And that's likely not just going to be vegetables.And why do you have to stay full all day? really? can you go to bed hungry and get a good night sleep.lol
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