Fake vegetarian meat vs protein shakes.
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SarahLascelles1 wrote: »Re soy, there is no evidence of any health effects of eating soy. It's been a mainstay of oriental diets for ages.
There have been a couple of cases where soy milk has been linked to reduced testosterone and feminizing effects on men. For that fear alone, I avoid soy in any form.
I think soy's fairly high in plant oestrogens.
After our GP took my mum off HRT, she suggested increased soy consumption to boost my mum's oestrogen and minimise menopause side effects. Seemed to work quite well.
The OP's profile lists female, so maybe less of a concern in this case!2 -
Christine_72 wrote: »A lot of my protein comes from Protein powder and dairy. Fake meat... I don't even want to think about what that is.
It's usually based on soy or wheat gluten, two perfectly acceptable foods.5 -
Ironically it perplexes me that people that want to just be vegan/vegetarians always seem to want some fake "meat". And isn't that what they are trying not to promote eating? Doesn't just the name "meat" conflict?
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I went vegan for ethical reasons, not because I didn't like the taste of meat. Would it be easier for you to understand if we just came up with an entirely new name for it?
It's like plant milk, the name is just a way to conveniently signify the item that it is replacing.7 -
SarahLascelles1 wrote: »Re soy, there is no evidence of any health effects of eating soy. It's been a mainstay of oriental diets for ages.
There have been a couple of cases where soy milk has been linked to reduced testosterone and feminizing effects on men. For that fear alone, I avoid soy in any form.
In all cases of which I am aware, these (rare) cases were linked to men who were consuming much more soy than average (in one case, 14 servings a day for a year; another 12 servings a day) and resolved once servings were cut down. Avoiding soy entirely seems like an over-reaction.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »SarahLascelles1 wrote: »Re soy, there is no evidence of any health effects of eating soy. It's been a mainstay of oriental diets for ages.
There have been a couple of cases where soy milk has been linked to reduced testosterone and feminizing effects on men. For that fear alone, I avoid soy in any form.
In all cases of which I am aware, these (rare) cases were linked to men who were consuming much more soy than average (in one case, 14 servings a day for a year; another 12 servings a day) and resolved once servings were cut down. Avoiding soy entirely seems like an over-reaction.
Seems like a very small sacrifice to me. I don't like to eat stuff which could possibly give me boobs and a flaccid penis.5 -
Until all the studies agree about the effects of soy on men, soy milk/products will not be used daily in my home.
http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/soys-negative-effects5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »SarahLascelles1 wrote: »Re soy, there is no evidence of any health effects of eating soy. It's been a mainstay of oriental diets for ages.
There have been a couple of cases where soy milk has been linked to reduced testosterone and feminizing effects on men. For that fear alone, I avoid soy in any form.
In all cases of which I am aware, these (rare) cases were linked to men who were consuming much more soy than average (in one case, 14 servings a day for a year; another 12 servings a day) and resolved once servings were cut down. Avoiding soy entirely seems like an over-reaction.
Seems like a very small sacrifice to me. I don't like to eat stuff which could possibly give me boobs and a flaccid penis.
Nobody is required to eat soy, I was just pointing out how unlikely the possibility is for anyone else reading this thread and possibly having concerns.3 -
TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »Until all the studies agree about the effects of soy on men, soy milk/products will not be used daily in my home.
http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/soys-negative-effects
Given that soy is one of the most studied food substances we have and how small and poorly constructed some of the studies are, this is an impossible barrier to cross. There will never be a time when all studies ever conducted agree on soy (just as studies currently disagree on common foods like wheat or milk or meat or nightshade vegetables).4 -
In a way, I don't think it's soy. It's all the "flavorings" that are added to soy "meats" and "milks". Even the idea of drinking careegenan in the "milks" bothers me. A soy hot dog had so many ingredients I could not buy it.4
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Too much soy can mess up your hormones and blood results. I know that from a close friend, who really liked his soy milk, but always had questionable blood tests, which significantly improved as soon as he replaced the soy milk.
Does that mean that soy is always bad for everyone? Nope, but that means that too much soy *can* do harm and should be consumed in moderation.
But back to the OP: I agree with the guys who say do both and don't limit yourself, which always leads to frustration and cravings. Personally, I hate protein shakes (can't stand the texture) but having multiple options to hit your macros is always a plus.5 -
TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »In a way, I don't think it's soy. It's all the "flavorings" that are added to soy "meats" and "milks". Even the idea of drinking careegenan in the "milks" bothers me. A soy hot dog had so many ingredients I could not buy it.
Here are the ingredients of Tofu Pups: WATER, SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE, SOY OIL, ORGANIC SPRAY DRIED TOFU (ORGANIC DEHULLED SOYBEANS, CALCIUM SULFATE), CONTAINS 2% OR LESS NATURAL FLAVORS (FROM VEGETABLE SOURCES), BEET POWDER, YEAST EXTRACT, SUNFLOWER OIL, NATURAL SMOKE FLAVOR, SALT, PAPRIKA OLEORESIN, VEGETABLE GUMS, TOMATO PULP.
Compare to the ingredients of Ballpark Franks: MECHANICALLY SEPARATED CHICKEN, PORK, WATER, CORN SYRUP, POTASSIUM LACTATE, CONTAINS 2% OR LESS: SALT, SODIUM PHOSPHATE, NATURAL FLAVOR, BEEF STOCK, SODIUM DIACETATE, SODIUM ERYTHORBATE, MALTODEXTRIN, PAPRIKA EXTRACT, SODIUM NITRITE.
The Tofu Pup actually has fewer ingredients (not that I use that as a consideration what I choose to consume).
I'm not sure which of those ingredients you think would harm someone.11 -
Soy does contain photo estrogens , and can affect your hormones - I personally avoid it - it is in many of the processed foods we buy and eat.
The fact that Asians have eaten it for years is a poor argment - soy is still a poor protein - It is however, a plentiful , widely grown, inexpensive source of protein.
If I were a vegetarian I would rely onother sources of protein. - Eastcoast Jim
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Ah, but it could. Let a meat eater eat it. Bet they stick to promoting real meat.SarahLascelles1 wrote: »Ironically it perplexes me that people that want to just be vegan/vegetarians always seem to want some fake "meat". And isn't that what they are trying not to promote eating? Doesn't just the name "meat" conflict?
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I didn't go vegetarian because I don't like the taste or texture of meat. I went vegetarian because I made an ethical decision not to eat dead animals. Eating meat substitutes doesn't promote eating animals.
BTW what about lab grown meat?
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Soy does contain photo estrogens , and can affect your hormones - I personally avoid it - it is in many of the processed foods we buy and eat.
The fact that Asians have eaten it for years is a poor argment - soy is still a poor protein - It is however, a plentiful , widely grown, inexpensive source of protein.
If I were a vegetarian I would rely onother sources of protein. - Eastcoast Jim
They are called phytoestrogens. So far there is no conclusive proof that ingesting them changes a humans estrogen levels enough to have any effect.
Avoiding it would mean that you also have to avoid a large number of other common foods like rice and oats, your morning coffee, carrots or apples.
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skymningen wrote: »Soy does contain photo estrogens , and can affect your hormones - I personally avoid it - it is in many of the processed foods we buy and eat.
The fact that Asians have eaten it for years is a poor argment - soy is still a poor protein - It is however, a plentiful , widely grown, inexpensive source of protein.
If I were a vegetarian I would rely onother sources of protein. - Eastcoast Jim
They are called phytoestrogens. So far there is no conclusive proof that ingesting them changes a humans estrogen levels enough to have any effect.
Avoiding it would mean that you also have to avoid a large number of other common foods like rice and oats, your morning coffee, carrots or apples.
Never heard of men growing boobs from eating too much rice though. And many many populations rely on rice as primary foods.4 -
There is nothing wrong with fake meat. I eat veggie sausages for breakfast all the time, along with the beyond meat burger for dinner or whatever fake meat I feel like. I aint scared.
and I do also drink protein shakes.
I'll take whatever protein I can get.3 -
Ah, but it could. Let a meat eater eat it. Bet they stick to promoting real meat.SarahLascelles1 wrote: »Ironically it perplexes me that people that want to just be vegan/vegetarians always seem to want some fake "meat". And isn't that what they are trying not to promote eating? Doesn't just the name "meat" conflict?
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I didn't go vegetarian because I don't like the taste or texture of meat. I went vegetarian because I made an ethical decision not to eat dead animals. Eating meat substitutes doesn't promote eating animals.
BTW what about lab grown meat?
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I am a meat eater and I still eat the "fake meats" because they have a different taste and texture that I like. Sometimes I just crave a veggie pattie burger instead of a beef burger.6 -
Soy does contain photo estrogens , and can affect your hormones - I personally avoid it - it is in many of the processed foods we buy and eat.
The fact that Asians have eaten it for years is a poor argment - soy is still a poor protein - It is however, a plentiful , widely grown, inexpensive source of protein.
If I were a vegetarian I would rely onother sources of protein. - Eastcoast Jim
The term is actually "phytoestrogens," not "photo."
In addition to soy, they're also found in wheat, legumes, sesame seeds, oats, bourbon, beer, fennel, coffee, and mint.4 -
Not all soy is the same... Also, many foods have soy in it, even non-vegetarian products! Soy protein isolate, is in many processed foods, for example. Organic Tofu or Edamame is not the same as Soy Dogs or other meat substitutes. Not all soy is bad!!
http://www.alloy.com/well-being/soy-products-good-and-bad/3 -
Ironically it perplexes me that people that want to just be vegan/vegetarians always seem to want some fake "meat". And isn't that what they are trying not to promote eating? Doesn't just the name "meat" conflict?
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I myself don't eat meat because it's dead animal flesh. But I cook meat for my family and serve it, I think it can smell delicious, and sometimes miss it. But knowing it's a dead animal I cannot eat it.3
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