Sugar in my Diet
krishnip
Posts: 32 Member
I am very careful with the amount of sugar I take in but the majority of my sugar comes from the apple and grapes I eat. Do I need to count this for the amount I am sugar I am allowed to take in?
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Why are you careful with your sugar?
Do you have a medical condition that causes problems with that?
Who set the amount of sugar you are allowed to take in?
Are you generally reasonably fit and healthy? (I note your avatar is running trainers.)
The sugar in fruit is very similar in composition to, for instance 'high fructose corn syrup' - your body doesn't know or care where it comes from.
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Nah, don't worry about it too much unless you've got a medical condition. Start with tracking total calories, then once you're good at that, track macros, then once you're good at that, adjust the fancy other little things if you like. Sugar isn't something you should be concerned with.6
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Macros, how do I track those Rusty740?0
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You shouldn't count sugar.. it's not important. Unless there are reasons as mentioned above. Just count Calories. Macros aren't as important either unless you are specifically trying to target for satiety. My macros are all over the place, but it's the calories that I count and try to hit or stay under.4
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What if sugar is an issue and a medical professional has warned you to watch your daily intake? Do those fruits need to be cut from a diet?1
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SmithsonianEmpress wrote: »What if sugar is an issue and a medical professional has warned you to watch your daily intake? Do those fruits need to be cut from a diet?
In that scenario, follow the advice of your medical professional.13 -
I am very careful with the amount of sugar I take in but the majority of my sugar comes from the apple and grapes I eat. Do I need to count this for the amount I am sugar I am allowed to take in?
Only if you are into counting what you eat. Counting is a good thing at least until intutive eating become a way of life for you after you count for a while and learn what foods fatten you up and what foods leads to natural weight loss/maintenance.
@krishnip best of success. Remember it is the Way Of Eating that works for you that is right for you. We are all different and do well often eating very different diets from another person that is being successful.11 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »I am very careful with the amount of sugar I take in but the majority of my sugar comes from the apple and grapes I eat. Do I need to count this for the amount I am sugar I am allowed to take in?
Only if you are into counting what you eat. Counting is a good thing at least until intutive eating become a way of life for you after you count for a while and learn what foods fatten you up and what foods leads to natural weight loss/maintenance.
@krishnip best of success. Remember it is the Way Of Eating that works for you that is right for you. We are all different and do well often eating very different diets from another person that is being successful.
Specific foods don't fatten people up or lead to natural (whatever that means) weight loss/maintenance. The total amount of calories consumed is what is responsible for weight management.
OP you will find that without a medical reason to specifically limit sugars, the natural sugars in things like apples and grapes have no bearing on your actual results. MFP doesn't differentiate between natural and added sugars so while there are important guidelines to keep an eye on the total consumption of calories from added sugars, it often is a red herring to chase for weight loss. Many seasoned posters with no medical reason to restrict sugars ignore that metric in their diary or replace it with something more meaningful for them like fiber.
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WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I am very careful with the amount of sugar I take in but the majority of my sugar comes from the apple and grapes I eat. Do I need to count this for the amount I am sugar I am allowed to take in?
Only if you are into counting what you eat. Counting is a good thing at least until intutive eating become a way of life for you after you count for a while and learn what foods fatten you up and what foods leads to natural weight loss/maintenance.
@krishnip best of success. Remember it is the Way Of Eating that works for you that is right for you. We are all different and do well often eating very different diets from another person that is being successful.
Specific foods don't fatten people up or lead to natural (whatever that means) weight loss/maintenance. The total amount of calories consumed is what is responsible for weight management.
OP you will find that without a medical reason to specifically limit sugars, the natural sugars in things like apples and grapes have no bearing on your actual results. MFP doesn't differentiate between natural and added sugars so while there are important guidelines to keep an eye on the total consumption of calories from added sugars, it often is a red herring to chase for weight loss. Many seasoned posters with no medical reason to restrict sugars ignore that metric in their diary or replace it with something more meaningful for them like fiber.
Not sure after all of this time why you do not grasp weight management is far more than calories consumed.
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Does eating too many apples make you more likely to go over your calories more often than not? If yes and you pinpoint fruits as the culprit then you should consider doing something about it. Otherwise, it really doesn't matter. Even diabetics don't usually count sugar, but overall carbs. And yes, in case of diabetes a banana can have as much of a bad effect as ice cream, if not more, depending on how their individual blood sugar responds to foods. If you have no blood sugar issues and sugar (from any source) does not make you more likely to overeat your diet is fine. I incorporate foods high in both natural and added sugar into my diet within my calories without problems.6
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GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I am very careful with the amount of sugar I take in but the majority of my sugar comes from the apple and grapes I eat. Do I need to count this for the amount I am sugar I am allowed to take in?
Only if you are into counting what you eat. Counting is a good thing at least until intutive eating become a way of life for you after you count for a while and learn what foods fatten you up and what foods leads to natural weight loss/maintenance.
@krishnip best of success. Remember it is the Way Of Eating that works for you that is right for you. We are all different and do well often eating very different diets from another person that is being successful.
Specific foods don't fatten people up or lead to natural (whatever that means) weight loss/maintenance. The total amount of calories consumed is what is responsible for weight management.
OP you will find that without a medical reason to specifically limit sugars, the natural sugars in things like apples and grapes have no bearing on your actual results. MFP doesn't differentiate between natural and added sugars so while there are important guidelines to keep an eye on the total consumption of calories from added sugars, it often is a red herring to chase for weight loss. Many seasoned posters with no medical reason to restrict sugars ignore that metric in their diary or replace it with something more meaningful for them like fiber.
Not sure after all of this time why you do not grasp weight management is far more than calories consumed.
Because it's the truth?12 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I am very careful with the amount of sugar I take in but the majority of my sugar comes from the apple and grapes I eat. Do I need to count this for the amount I am sugar I am allowed to take in?
Only if you are into counting what you eat. Counting is a good thing at least until intutive eating become a way of life for you after you count for a while and learn what foods fatten you up and what foods leads to natural weight loss/maintenance.
@krishnip best of success. Remember it is the Way Of Eating that works for you that is right for you. We are all different and do well often eating very different diets from another person that is being successful.
Specific foods don't fatten people up or lead to natural (whatever that means) weight loss/maintenance. The total amount of calories consumed is what is responsible for weight management.
OP you will find that without a medical reason to specifically limit sugars, the natural sugars in things like apples and grapes have no bearing on your actual results. MFP doesn't differentiate between natural and added sugars so while there are important guidelines to keep an eye on the total consumption of calories from added sugars, it often is a red herring to chase for weight loss. Many seasoned posters with no medical reason to restrict sugars ignore that metric in their diary or replace it with something more meaningful for them like fiber.
Not sure after all of this time why you do not grasp weight management is far more than calories consumed.
Everything she said is correct.7 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I am very careful with the amount of sugar I take in but the majority of my sugar comes from the apple and grapes I eat. Do I need to count this for the amount I am sugar I am allowed to take in?
Only if you are into counting what you eat. Counting is a good thing at least until intutive eating become a way of life for you after you count for a while and learn what foods fatten you up and what foods leads to natural weight loss/maintenance.
@krishnip best of success. Remember it is the Way Of Eating that works for you that is right for you. We are all different and do well often eating very different diets from another person that is being successful.
Specific foods don't fatten people up or lead to natural (whatever that means) weight loss/maintenance. The total amount of calories consumed is what is responsible for weight management.
OP you will find that without a medical reason to specifically limit sugars, the natural sugars in things like apples and grapes have no bearing on your actual results. MFP doesn't differentiate between natural and added sugars so while there are important guidelines to keep an eye on the total consumption of calories from added sugars, it often is a red herring to chase for weight loss. Many seasoned posters with no medical reason to restrict sugars ignore that metric in their diary or replace it with something more meaningful for them like fiber.
Not sure after all of this time why you do not grasp weight management is far more than calories consumed.
Not sure after all this time, why you do not have the most fundamental understanding of energy balance. It's honestly the most basic science out there.
I am also unsure why you make these arguments with people far more fit than you. And while fit =/= knowledge, it would suggest they are following basic principles to enable them to achieve those goals.
OP, it all comes down to energy balance for weight loss. What is important is eating foods to allow you to achieve you goals, improve satiety to help it become a sustainable diet, and address any medical needs. The current dogma of the need to cut sugar/carbs is just that.. dogma. It's no different than the old dogma that fats where bad. Fruits are fantastic for you. They are low in calories, high in fiber, vitamins and minerals and have antioxidants. That increases the amount of volume you can eat, provides sustainable energy and will help keep you body health.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/95/4/98919 -
I have no problems with eating sugar found naturally in food like fruit, vegetables and dairy but do limit my intake of added sugar to occasional treats. This is because overeating those sweet foods is what got me to the point of being overweight in the first place so it is far safer for me to not include them on a regular basis.
If you are able to keep within calories goals while still having added sugar regularly (medical conditions aside) then I take my hat off to you and think you should continue doing so if it makes your diet sustainable long term. Just make sure that these calories don't result in you lacking essential nutrients.6 -
Personally I found tracking fibre instead more useful and informative. Sugar is just a sub-set of carbs.
It would be an awful shame to reduce your fruit consumption for no good reason.14 -
Macros, how do I track those Rusty740?
There are three macronutrients in foods: protein, fat, carbs. MFP tracks those for you. Some people play around with their macro balance or macro "split" rather than going with the default settings provided by MFP. Additionally some people find focusing on macros enables them to achieve other goals - a focus on protein for muscle preservation(or gain), a focus on carbs (often lower carbs) for medical reasons, a focus on fats (lower) for heart health. Often too, playing around with macro goals enables people to find a way of eating that is satiating and helps keep them on track.
Fundamentally though, weight loss comes down to being in a calorie deficit.6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I am very careful with the amount of sugar I take in but the majority of my sugar comes from the apple and grapes I eat. Do I need to count this for the amount I am sugar I am allowed to take in?
Only if you are into counting what you eat. Counting is a good thing at least until intutive eating become a way of life for you after you count for a while and learn what foods fatten you up and what foods leads to natural weight loss/maintenance.
@krishnip best of success. Remember it is the Way Of Eating that works for you that is right for you. We are all different and do well often eating very different diets from another person that is being successful.
Specific foods don't fatten people up or lead to natural (whatever that means) weight loss/maintenance. The total amount of calories consumed is what is responsible for weight management.
OP you will find that without a medical reason to specifically limit sugars, the natural sugars in things like apples and grapes have no bearing on your actual results. MFP doesn't differentiate between natural and added sugars so while there are important guidelines to keep an eye on the total consumption of calories from added sugars, it often is a red herring to chase for weight loss. Many seasoned posters with no medical reason to restrict sugars ignore that metric in their diary or replace it with something more meaningful for them like fiber.
Not sure after all of this time why you do not grasp weight management is far more than calories consumed.
Not sure after all this time, why you do not have the most fundamental understanding of energy balance. It's honestly the most basic science out there.
I am also unsure why you make these arguments with people far more fit than you. And while fit =/= knowledge, it would suggest they are following basic principles to enable them to achieve those goals.
OP, it all comes down to energy balance for weight loss. What is important is eating foods to allow you to achieve you goals, improve satiety to help it become a sustainable diet, and address any medical needs. The current dogma of the need to cut sugar/carbs is just that.. dogma. It's no different than the old dogma that fats where bad. Fruits are fantastic for you. They are low in calories, high in fiber, vitamins and minerals and have antioxidants. That increases the amount of volume you can eat, provides sustainable energy and will help keep you body health.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/95/4/989
Sure it is about energy balance. Normally in the animal kingdom energy balance is controlled by hormones not manual math if food choices are not limited.
Your link is not currently working on my computer.12 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Macros, how do I track those Rusty740?
There are three macronutrients in foods: protein, fat, carbs. MFP tracks those for you. Some people play around with their macro balance or macro "split" rather than going with the default settings provided by MFP. Additionally some people find focusing on macros enables them to achieve other goals - a focus on protein for muscle preservation(or gain), a focus on carbs (often lower carbs) for medical reasons, a focus on fats (lower) for heart health. Often too, playing around with macro goals enables people to find a way of eating that is satiating and helps keep them on track.
Fundamentally though, weight loss comes down to being in a calorie deficit.
Bingo!1 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I am very careful with the amount of sugar I take in but the majority of my sugar comes from the apple and grapes I eat. Do I need to count this for the amount I am sugar I am allowed to take in?
Only if you are into counting what you eat. Counting is a good thing at least until intutive eating become a way of life for you after you count for a while and learn what foods fatten you up and what foods leads to natural weight loss/maintenance.
@krishnip best of success. Remember it is the Way Of Eating that works for you that is right for you. We are all different and do well often eating very different diets from another person that is being successful.
Specific foods don't fatten people up or lead to natural (whatever that means) weight loss/maintenance. The total amount of calories consumed is what is responsible for weight management.
OP you will find that without a medical reason to specifically limit sugars, the natural sugars in things like apples and grapes have no bearing on your actual results. MFP doesn't differentiate between natural and added sugars so while there are important guidelines to keep an eye on the total consumption of calories from added sugars, it often is a red herring to chase for weight loss. Many seasoned posters with no medical reason to restrict sugars ignore that metric in their diary or replace it with something more meaningful for them like fiber.
Not sure after all of this time why you do not grasp weight management is far more than calories consumed.
Not sure after all this time, why you do not have the most fundamental understanding of energy balance. It's honestly the most basic science out there.
I am also unsure why you make these arguments with people far more fit than you. And while fit =/= knowledge, it would suggest they are following basic principles to enable them to achieve those goals.
OP, it all comes down to energy balance for weight loss. What is important is eating foods to allow you to achieve you goals, improve satiety to help it become a sustainable diet, and address any medical needs. The current dogma of the need to cut sugar/carbs is just that.. dogma. It's no different than the old dogma that fats where bad. Fruits are fantastic for you. They are low in calories, high in fiber, vitamins and minerals and have antioxidants. That increases the amount of volume you can eat, provides sustainable energy and will help keep you body health.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/95/4/989
Sure it is about energy balance. Normally in the animal kingdom energy balance is controlled by hormones not manual math if food choices are not limited.
Your link is not currently working on my computer.
Can you elaborate? No clue what you're driving at here.3 -
Food choices have never been more varied than they are today. As long as people are not consciously restricting their diet they will be getting all the nutrients they need.
In the wild, things are more life and death. That's why water holes and salt licks are so valued.
Now what was the question again? Oh, yeah. Sugar; a subset of carbs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbohydrate_metabolism
The hormones involved are insulin and glucagon but energy release for the body's use involves a series of chemical reactions.1 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I am very careful with the amount of sugar I take in but the majority of my sugar comes from the apple and grapes I eat. Do I need to count this for the amount I am sugar I am allowed to take in?
Only if you are into counting what you eat. Counting is a good thing at least until intutive eating become a way of life for you after you count for a while and learn what foods fatten you up and what foods leads to natural weight loss/maintenance.
@krishnip best of success. Remember it is the Way Of Eating that works for you that is right for you. We are all different and do well often eating very different diets from another person that is being successful.
Specific foods don't fatten people up or lead to natural (whatever that means) weight loss/maintenance. The total amount of calories consumed is what is responsible for weight management.
OP you will find that without a medical reason to specifically limit sugars, the natural sugars in things like apples and grapes have no bearing on your actual results. MFP doesn't differentiate between natural and added sugars so while there are important guidelines to keep an eye on the total consumption of calories from added sugars, it often is a red herring to chase for weight loss. Many seasoned posters with no medical reason to restrict sugars ignore that metric in their diary or replace it with something more meaningful for them like fiber.
Not sure after all of this time why you do not grasp weight management is far more than calories consumed.
Not sure after all this time, why you do not have the most fundamental understanding of energy balance. It's honestly the most basic science out there.
I am also unsure why you make these arguments with people far more fit than you. And while fit =/= knowledge, it would suggest they are following basic principles to enable them to achieve those goals.
OP, it all comes down to energy balance for weight loss. What is important is eating foods to allow you to achieve you goals, improve satiety to help it become a sustainable diet, and address any medical needs. The current dogma of the need to cut sugar/carbs is just that.. dogma. It's no different than the old dogma that fats where bad. Fruits are fantastic for you. They are low in calories, high in fiber, vitamins and minerals and have antioxidants. That increases the amount of volume you can eat, provides sustainable energy and will help keep you body health.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/95/4/989
Sure it is about energy balance. Normally in the animal kingdom energy balance is controlled by hormones not manual math if food choices are not limited.
Your link is not currently working on my computer.
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stevencloser wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I am very careful with the amount of sugar I take in but the majority of my sugar comes from the apple and grapes I eat. Do I need to count this for the amount I am sugar I am allowed to take in?
Only if you are into counting what you eat. Counting is a good thing at least until intutive eating become a way of life for you after you count for a while and learn what foods fatten you up and what foods leads to natural weight loss/maintenance.
@krishnip best of success. Remember it is the Way Of Eating that works for you that is right for you. We are all different and do well often eating very different diets from another person that is being successful.
Specific foods don't fatten people up or lead to natural (whatever that means) weight loss/maintenance. The total amount of calories consumed is what is responsible for weight management.
OP you will find that without a medical reason to specifically limit sugars, the natural sugars in things like apples and grapes have no bearing on your actual results. MFP doesn't differentiate between natural and added sugars so while there are important guidelines to keep an eye on the total consumption of calories from added sugars, it often is a red herring to chase for weight loss. Many seasoned posters with no medical reason to restrict sugars ignore that metric in their diary or replace it with something more meaningful for them like fiber.
Not sure after all of this time why you do not grasp weight management is far more than calories consumed.
Not sure after all this time, why you do not have the most fundamental understanding of energy balance. It's honestly the most basic science out there.
I am also unsure why you make these arguments with people far more fit than you. And while fit =/= knowledge, it would suggest they are following basic principles to enable them to achieve those goals.
OP, it all comes down to energy balance for weight loss. What is important is eating foods to allow you to achieve you goals, improve satiety to help it become a sustainable diet, and address any medical needs. The current dogma of the need to cut sugar/carbs is just that.. dogma. It's no different than the old dogma that fats where bad. Fruits are fantastic for you. They are low in calories, high in fiber, vitamins and minerals and have antioxidants. That increases the amount of volume you can eat, provides sustainable energy and will help keep you body health.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/95/4/989
Sure it is about energy balance. Normally in the animal kingdom energy balance is controlled by hormones not manual math if food choices are not limited.
Your link is not currently working on my computer.
100% the deadlier version of one of my past cats, Dave. My fault, I fed him too much. And he was a piggy.
To confirm. Animals get fat too. In fact, along with a human obesity epidemic, there is a pet one too.5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I am very careful with the amount of sugar I take in but the majority of my sugar comes from the apple and grapes I eat. Do I need to count this for the amount I am sugar I am allowed to take in?
Only if you are into counting what you eat. Counting is a good thing at least until intutive eating become a way of life for you after you count for a while and learn what foods fatten you up and what foods leads to natural weight loss/maintenance.
@krishnip best of success. Remember it is the Way Of Eating that works for you that is right for you. We are all different and do well often eating very different diets from another person that is being successful.
Specific foods don't fatten people up or lead to natural (whatever that means) weight loss/maintenance. The total amount of calories consumed is what is responsible for weight management.
OP you will find that without a medical reason to specifically limit sugars, the natural sugars in things like apples and grapes have no bearing on your actual results. MFP doesn't differentiate between natural and added sugars so while there are important guidelines to keep an eye on the total consumption of calories from added sugars, it often is a red herring to chase for weight loss. Many seasoned posters with no medical reason to restrict sugars ignore that metric in their diary or replace it with something more meaningful for them like fiber.
Not sure after all of this time why you do not grasp weight management is far more than calories consumed.
Not sure after all this time, why you do not have the most fundamental understanding of energy balance. It's honestly the most basic science out there.
I am also unsure why you make these arguments with people far more fit than you. And while fit =/= knowledge, it would suggest they are following basic principles to enable them to achieve those goals.
OP, it all comes down to energy balance for weight loss. What is important is eating foods to allow you to achieve you goals, improve satiety to help it become a sustainable diet, and address any medical needs. The current dogma of the need to cut sugar/carbs is just that.. dogma. It's no different than the old dogma that fats where bad. Fruits are fantastic for you. They are low in calories, high in fiber, vitamins and minerals and have antioxidants. That increases the amount of volume you can eat, provides sustainable energy and will help keep you body health.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/95/4/989
Sure it is about energy balance. Normally in the animal kingdom energy balance is controlled by hormones not manual math if food choices are not limited.
Your link is not currently working on my computer.
Normally in the animal kingdom animals don't seek an energy balance - it's controlled by availability of food and the ability to either predate on your food or avoid being predated upon.
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VintageFeline wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I am very careful with the amount of sugar I take in but the majority of my sugar comes from the apple and grapes I eat. Do I need to count this for the amount I am sugar I am allowed to take in?
Only if you are into counting what you eat. Counting is a good thing at least until intutive eating become a way of life for you after you count for a while and learn what foods fatten you up and what foods leads to natural weight loss/maintenance.
@krishnip best of success. Remember it is the Way Of Eating that works for you that is right for you. We are all different and do well often eating very different diets from another person that is being successful.
Specific foods don't fatten people up or lead to natural (whatever that means) weight loss/maintenance. The total amount of calories consumed is what is responsible for weight management.
OP you will find that without a medical reason to specifically limit sugars, the natural sugars in things like apples and grapes have no bearing on your actual results. MFP doesn't differentiate between natural and added sugars so while there are important guidelines to keep an eye on the total consumption of calories from added sugars, it often is a red herring to chase for weight loss. Many seasoned posters with no medical reason to restrict sugars ignore that metric in their diary or replace it with something more meaningful for them like fiber.
Not sure after all of this time why you do not grasp weight management is far more than calories consumed.
Not sure after all this time, why you do not have the most fundamental understanding of energy balance. It's honestly the most basic science out there.
I am also unsure why you make these arguments with people far more fit than you. And while fit =/= knowledge, it would suggest they are following basic principles to enable them to achieve those goals.
OP, it all comes down to energy balance for weight loss. What is important is eating foods to allow you to achieve you goals, improve satiety to help it become a sustainable diet, and address any medical needs. The current dogma of the need to cut sugar/carbs is just that.. dogma. It's no different than the old dogma that fats where bad. Fruits are fantastic for you. They are low in calories, high in fiber, vitamins and minerals and have antioxidants. That increases the amount of volume you can eat, provides sustainable energy and will help keep you body health.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/95/4/989
Sure it is about energy balance. Normally in the animal kingdom energy balance is controlled by hormones not manual math if food choices are not limited.
Your link is not currently working on my computer.
100% the deadlier version of one of my past cats, Dave. My fault, I fed him too much. And he was a piggy.
To confirm. Animals get fat too. In fact, along with a human obesity epidemic, there is a pet one too.
My parents have an overweight diabetic cat... and he didn't eat sugar... true story.16 -
VintageFeline wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I am very careful with the amount of sugar I take in but the majority of my sugar comes from the apple and grapes I eat. Do I need to count this for the amount I am sugar I am allowed to take in?
Only if you are into counting what you eat. Counting is a good thing at least until intutive eating become a way of life for you after you count for a while and learn what foods fatten you up and what foods leads to natural weight loss/maintenance.
@krishnip best of success. Remember it is the Way Of Eating that works for you that is right for you. We are all different and do well often eating very different diets from another person that is being successful.
Specific foods don't fatten people up or lead to natural (whatever that means) weight loss/maintenance. The total amount of calories consumed is what is responsible for weight management.
OP you will find that without a medical reason to specifically limit sugars, the natural sugars in things like apples and grapes have no bearing on your actual results. MFP doesn't differentiate between natural and added sugars so while there are important guidelines to keep an eye on the total consumption of calories from added sugars, it often is a red herring to chase for weight loss. Many seasoned posters with no medical reason to restrict sugars ignore that metric in their diary or replace it with something more meaningful for them like fiber.
Not sure after all of this time why you do not grasp weight management is far more than calories consumed.
Not sure after all this time, why you do not have the most fundamental understanding of energy balance. It's honestly the most basic science out there.
I am also unsure why you make these arguments with people far more fit than you. And while fit =/= knowledge, it would suggest they are following basic principles to enable them to achieve those goals.
OP, it all comes down to energy balance for weight loss. What is important is eating foods to allow you to achieve you goals, improve satiety to help it become a sustainable diet, and address any medical needs. The current dogma of the need to cut sugar/carbs is just that.. dogma. It's no different than the old dogma that fats where bad. Fruits are fantastic for you. They are low in calories, high in fiber, vitamins and minerals and have antioxidants. That increases the amount of volume you can eat, provides sustainable energy and will help keep you body health.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/95/4/989
Sure it is about energy balance. Normally in the animal kingdom energy balance is controlled by hormones not manual math if food choices are not limited.
Your link is not currently working on my computer.
100% the deadlier version of one of my past cats, Dave. My fault, I fed him too much. And he was a piggy.
To confirm. Animals get fat too. In fact, along with a human obesity epidemic, there is a pet one too.
My parents have an overweight diabetic cat... and he didn't eat sugar... true story.
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VintageFeline wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I am very careful with the amount of sugar I take in but the majority of my sugar comes from the apple and grapes I eat. Do I need to count this for the amount I am sugar I am allowed to take in?
Only if you are into counting what you eat. Counting is a good thing at least until intutive eating become a way of life for you after you count for a while and learn what foods fatten you up and what foods leads to natural weight loss/maintenance.
@krishnip best of success. Remember it is the Way Of Eating that works for you that is right for you. We are all different and do well often eating very different diets from another person that is being successful.
Specific foods don't fatten people up or lead to natural (whatever that means) weight loss/maintenance. The total amount of calories consumed is what is responsible for weight management.
OP you will find that without a medical reason to specifically limit sugars, the natural sugars in things like apples and grapes have no bearing on your actual results. MFP doesn't differentiate between natural and added sugars so while there are important guidelines to keep an eye on the total consumption of calories from added sugars, it often is a red herring to chase for weight loss. Many seasoned posters with no medical reason to restrict sugars ignore that metric in their diary or replace it with something more meaningful for them like fiber.
Not sure after all of this time why you do not grasp weight management is far more than calories consumed.
Not sure after all this time, why you do not have the most fundamental understanding of energy balance. It's honestly the most basic science out there.
I am also unsure why you make these arguments with people far more fit than you. And while fit =/= knowledge, it would suggest they are following basic principles to enable them to achieve those goals.
OP, it all comes down to energy balance for weight loss. What is important is eating foods to allow you to achieve you goals, improve satiety to help it become a sustainable diet, and address any medical needs. The current dogma of the need to cut sugar/carbs is just that.. dogma. It's no different than the old dogma that fats where bad. Fruits are fantastic for you. They are low in calories, high in fiber, vitamins and minerals and have antioxidants. That increases the amount of volume you can eat, provides sustainable energy and will help keep you body health.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/95/4/989
Sure it is about energy balance. Normally in the animal kingdom energy balance is controlled by hormones not manual math if food choices are not limited.
Your link is not currently working on my computer.
100% the deadlier version of one of my past cats, Dave. My fault, I fed him too much. And he was a piggy.
To confirm. Animals get fat too. In fact, along with a human obesity epidemic, there is a pet one too.
My parents have an overweight diabetic cat... and he didn't eat sugar... true story.
The amount of carbohydrates in cat food can (for some brands, especially dry foods) be pretty high. If the cat was over-eating all those carbs, then color me not shocked to learn about the kitty-diabetes.
OP - if you have a reason for limiting sugars (medical or diet choice such as keto), then all sugars should be counted. If you're only worried about weight loss and maintenance, then I wouldn't worry about sugar from fruits. Weight loss and weight maintenance is just a numbers game.4 -
Even medical conditions and diet choices don't specifically count sugar, they count carbs. Even if we are talking about a specific allergy or intolerance to a specific sugar, like lactose intolerance and the like, people don't usually benefit from counting grams of said sugar and just avoid the foods that have the problem ingredient. Counting sugar specifically by the gram has little use in most applications.5
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GaleHawkins wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I am very careful with the amount of sugar I take in but the majority of my sugar comes from the apple and grapes I eat. Do I need to count this for the amount I am sugar I am allowed to take in?
Only if you are into counting what you eat. Counting is a good thing at least until intutive eating become a way of life for you after you count for a while and learn what foods fatten you up and what foods leads to natural weight loss/maintenance.
@krishnip best of success. Remember it is the Way Of Eating that works for you that is right for you. We are all different and do well often eating very different diets from another person that is being successful.
Specific foods don't fatten people up or lead to natural (whatever that means) weight loss/maintenance. The total amount of calories consumed is what is responsible for weight management.
OP you will find that without a medical reason to specifically limit sugars, the natural sugars in things like apples and grapes have no bearing on your actual results. MFP doesn't differentiate between natural and added sugars so while there are important guidelines to keep an eye on the total consumption of calories from added sugars, it often is a red herring to chase for weight loss. Many seasoned posters with no medical reason to restrict sugars ignore that metric in their diary or replace it with something more meaningful for them like fiber.
Not sure after all of this time why you do not grasp weight management is far more than calories consumed.
Because it's not.
Do not conflagrate nutrition with weight management. That is a logical fallacy.7 -
Personally I found tracking fibre instead more useful and informative. Sugar is just a sub-set of carbs.
It would be an awful shame to reduce your fruit consumption for no good reason.
Me too. I am T2Dm and am managing my disease through diet and exercise. My A1C is in the normal range.
I do not track sugars because it is meaningless to do so, even as diabetic. Why? Total carbs are the most important number, not how those carbs are divided up. I am on no medication so I do not need to know how many of my carbs are sugars and how many are fiber in order to calculate a dose of insulin. I DO need to count my total carbs to make sure I stay under 160 grams per day.
Yes, I do track fiber even though it is also a subset of carbs. My Dad died of colon cancer so eating a minimum of 25 grams of fiber each day is an important part of my preventative measures.4 -
SmithsonianEmpress wrote: »What if sugar is an issue and a medical professional has warned you to watch your daily intake? Do those fruits need to be cut from a diet?
If someone has a medical condition that requires restrictions on sugar/carbs then yes, limitations on fruit will most likely happen per doctor's orders.0
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