Nutrition is not a belief system...
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J72FIT
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Science just isn't sexy enough for the masses
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Okay article.
The problem with science is the conflicting studies. Over and over you see one study that proves something and then another that disproves it. There is very little fact out there beyond people need calories, protein and some fats from quality foods full of micronutrients.
I did find it sort of funny how he went on about sexy, splashy diet programs that are out to make a buck, but then finished with advertising for Precision Nutrition. Bit ironic.9 -
Okay article.
The problem with science is the conflicting studies. Over and over you see one study that proves something and then another that disproves it. There is very little fact out there beyond people need calories, protein and some fats from quality foods full of micronutrients.
I did find it sort of funny how he went on about sexy, splashy diet programs that are out to make a buck, but then finished with advertising for Precision Nutrition. Bit ironic.
It's not usually a problem with science, but with the reporting of it. The media and the masses don't understand science or studies or what the conclusions are and completely bugger it up.
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eh, it kind of does. Because he basically reduces every other diet belief to hokem, because they don't agree with what his particular beliefs are. Almost every diet "belief" is backed up by some form of science. That's where they all come from, some study, somewhere, says something, and people run with it. He's not really any different. He's just trying to convince you his is to sell books, oddly for a diet system he's not even fully qualified in yet, which is interesting.9 -
eh, it kind of does. Because he basically reduces every other diet belief to hokem, because they don't agree with what his particular beliefs are. Almost every diet "belief" is backed up by some form of science. That's where they all come from, some study, somewhere, says something, and people run with it. He's not really any different. He's just trying to convince you his is to sell books, oddly for a diet system he's not even fully qualified in yet, which is interesting.
Agree to disagree...0 -
Advertorial. Not much more.2
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eh, it kind of does. Because he basically reduces every other diet belief to hokem, because they don't agree with what his particular beliefs are. Almost every diet "belief" is backed up by some form of science. That's where they all come from, some study, somewhere, says something, and people run with it. He's not really any different. He's just trying to convince you his is to sell books, oddly for a diet system he's not even fully qualified in yet, which is interesting.
Agree to disagree...
disagree all you want. I don't know if I've ever seen a diet plan that didn't have a lengthy list of citations to back it up. Even plans that differ completely.
The message I take away from that is that the most important thing in weight loss, more than the specifics of how you're dieting, is THAT you're dieting. That structure, rules, and rigorous adherence to some basic methodology, is better than a casual "just eat less" approach.4 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »Okay article.
The problem with science is the conflicting studies. Over and over you see one study that proves something and then another that disproves it. There is very little fact out there beyond people need calories, protein and some fats from quality foods full of micronutrients.
I did find it sort of funny how he went on about sexy, splashy diet programs that are out to make a buck, but then finished with advertising for Precision Nutrition. Bit ironic.
It's not usually a problem with science, but with the reporting of it. The media and the masses don't understand science or studies or what the conclusions are and completely bugger it up.
No. I disagree. I have seen different studies with conflicting results.
It is not just the reporting, or how the scientist chooses to spin his data, although that can be quite creative too. Meta analysis can be creatively done as well.8 -
He had aome interesting thoughts but he lost credibility at the end.4 -
Part of the problem is people thinking one study is "science", and is supposed to make a permanent determination. Science "decides" something over hundreds of studies and experiments and surveys over years. Science needs ambiguous and failed studies to provide direction to better designed studies and research. Any diet can cite "a study". That's not science, but unfortunately far too many people think it is. That's when it comes down to believing one study over the other, which is a misguided way to go.
Edited to add: Just skimmed the article and it made great points, but yeah I felt a little used at the end lol.10 -
IMO it's a very well written commercial12
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He had aome interesting thoughts but he lost credibility at the end.
the hilarious part?
#4 on his list of what to do next
4. Scrutinize claims that are tied to financial gain.
and #6?
6. Get qualified coaching.
If you don’t feel confident reading research or understanding the science, consider finding a Precision Nutrition Certified coach or enrolling in the Certification yourself.
hmmm
folllowed a pitch for his classes, and a teaser for a $200 discount!
Scrutinize claims that are tied to financial gain indeed.
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Don't know why so many are getting hung up on the sales pitch. I just ignored it...0
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Don't know why so many are getting hung up on the sales pitch. I just ignored it...
they though? context is important, and it is literally the context for the entire article. He's not actually trying to get anybody to make better decisions based on the article itself. He's trying to convince them that with HIS paid help he can get you to make better decisions.5 -
Don't know why so many are getting hung up on the sales pitch. I just ignored it...
they though? context is important, and it is literally the context for the entire article. He's not actually trying to get anybody to make better decisions based on the article itself. He's trying to convince them that with HIS paid help he can get you to make better decisions.
I have no affiliation or ties to PN, that said it is one of the leading diet and nutrition companies out there because it doesn't push a diet or gimmick or anything like that. They are based completely on science and use the best and latest research available. Much of their system is focused on helping people to sustainably change their habits so that they can be successful in the long term, not just about what they are eating. Mock it all you want, they are a leading authority.6 -
Don't know why so many are getting hung up on the sales pitch. I just ignored it...
they though? context is important, and it is literally the context for the entire article. He's not actually trying to get anybody to make better decisions based on the article itself. He's trying to convince them that with HIS paid help he can get you to make better decisions.
I have no affiliation or ties to PN, that said it is one of the leading diet and nutrition companies out there because it doesn't push a diet or gimmick or anything like that. They are based completely on science and use the best and latest research available. Much of their system is focused on helping people to sustainably change their habits so that they can be successful in the long term, not just about what they are eating. Mock it all you want, they are a leading authority.
ok, but you understand that this same claim is made by pretty much every single weight loss company right? in pretty much identical terms even.10 -
Don't know why so many are getting hung up on the sales pitch. I just ignored it...
they though? context is important, and it is literally the context for the entire article. He's not actually trying to get anybody to make better decisions based on the article itself. He's trying to convince them that with HIS paid help he can get you to make better decisions.
I have no affiliation or ties to PN, that said it is one of the leading diet and nutrition companies out there because it doesn't push a diet or gimmick or anything like that. They are based completely on science and use the best and latest research available. Much of their system is focused on helping people to sustainably change their habits so that they can be successful in the long term, not just about what they are eating. Mock it all you want, they are a leading authority.
^^^This.
Why anyone would "woo" this is beyond me...6 -
Don't know why so many are getting hung up on the sales pitch. I just ignored it...
they though? context is important, and it is literally the context for the entire article. He's not actually trying to get anybody to make better decisions based on the article itself. He's trying to convince them that with HIS paid help he can get you to make better decisions.
I have no affiliation or ties to PN, that said it is one of the leading diet and nutrition companies out there because it doesn't push a diet or gimmick or anything like that. They are based completely on science and use the best and latest research available. Much of their system is focused on helping people to sustainably change their habits so that they can be successful in the long term, not just about what they are eating. Mock it all you want, they are a leading authority.
^^^This.
Why anyone would "woo" this is beyond me...
An observation- it seems that those who are disagreeing are low carbers. Perhaps that is influencing how the article is read?5 -
Don't know why so many are getting hung up on the sales pitch. I just ignored it...
they though? context is important, and it is literally the context for the entire article. He's not actually trying to get anybody to make better decisions based on the article itself. He's trying to convince them that with HIS paid help he can get you to make better decisions.
I have no affiliation or ties to PN, that said it is one of the leading diet and nutrition companies out there because it doesn't push a diet or gimmick or anything like that. They are based completely on science and use the best and latest research available. Much of their system is focused on helping people to sustainably change their habits so that they can be successful in the long term, not just about what they are eating. Mock it all you want, they are a leading authority.
^^^This.
Why anyone would "woo" this is beyond me...
woohoo?2
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