Mileage on running shoes ?
JustRobby1
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I run 25+ a week, so it does not take me long to rack up the miles. Both online running forums and my local running shop have told me that it's avery bad mistake to take a pair of shoes over 500 miles. I am certain I am closer to 800 on my current pair of Kayano 24's. Honestly, the shoe still feels fine to me. I have no blisters even on days I go big and I have not noticed my feet or legs being any more sore than normal.
I ask this question now because I have a half marathon coming up and if I need new shoes I want to have them broken in. Also, I am not exactly jumping for joy at the prospect of giving Asics another 160 bucks right away if I do not need to.
I ask this question now because I have a half marathon coming up and if I need new shoes I want to have them broken in. Also, I am not exactly jumping for joy at the prospect of giving Asics another 160 bucks right away if I do not need to.
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Well, nobody can really advise you on this.
If it were me, I'd rather be safe than sorry on race day and I would buy the shoes.
That said, a half marathon isn't that grueling a race if you are prepared, and I think they overstate how fast shoes break down. I suppose it all depends on how heavy a person is, how heavy-footed they are, and whether they are prone to injury or tough.
I have found that there definitely is a point where I can feel that my shoes have lost their support, and I am not totally sensitive to that kind of thing. Have you noticed any perceived break-down in the shoes?2 -
Does not appear to me that they are broke down, but I have not been in the distance running game long either. Here is a pic of the bottoms:
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Shoes often break down internally before they show wear. Unfortunately, you may not realize that you aren't getting support until you find yourself with knee pain or a strained tendon. I would get new shoes.4
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You will eventually need new shoes though. Either buy them now to break them in or wait until after your half. I think the 500 miles is arbitrary.0
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Thanks for the advice guys. I think I will just bite the bullet and go ahead and buy a new pair from the Asics mafia and retire my old ones. Kinda sad though, me and those shoes have been through a lot together
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My DS Trainers look much worse with 302 miles. They are on their last legs. 300 miles is what I get every time
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Looking at the tread, you have a mild supination. you've been in those shoes so long you've forgotten what good support and traction feels like. Do yourself a favor and get a new pair at least 3 weeks out from your event. Keep the oldies....they're great yard/paint shoes. 0
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »Shoes often break down internally before they show wear. Unfortunately, you may not realize that you aren't getting support until you find yourself with knee pain or a strained tendon. I would get new shoes.
I agree with this. I'm about 5 weeks out from a marathon and knew I needed to get into new shoes but kept trying to hold out a little longer. Now I've been down for a week with knee pain (worse in the left). For the majority of people, 500 miles on a pair of shoes is max. I generally hear 300-400 actually and for what my body needs, at least at this point, I'll never get to 800 on one pair.0 -
Get the new shoes - you can't tell by observation that the cushioning has broken down but your body can. I imagine that you'll feel a drastic difference when running in the new kicks.
Also, I haven't found much of a need to 'break in' new running shoes. If you get shoes that fit properly and are appropriate for your gait, then they should be good to go out of the box. If they're not comfortable in the store or during the first few runs with them then return them and find a different pair. Do not buy something uncomfortable with the thought that it will eventually become comfortable over time.
Wear on the bottoms isn't really a great marker of when the shoes need to be replaced because it's likely the cushioning would have given up the ghost well before the tread wears through. That's why people tend to use mileage as their signal rather than feel. The intent is to replace the shoes before the cushioning breaks down enough that it's noticeable via pain.1 -
It's the wear on the inside of the shoes that would concern me, not just the outside. I replace every 450 miles and I can immediately tell a difference in spring/internal feel when I replace shoes. I also rotate two pairs of shoes to give them a day to "recover" between running and when I have a pair that is closer to 450 and a pair that is newer, there is a real difference in how the run feels.
I would get new shoes.0 -
I can never get more than about 300 miles from a pair of shoes. I know I need new shoes when my ankles start hurting.0
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The shoes you have been wearing for the last 800 miles feel good to you because that is what you have been running in for the last 800 miles. Try a new pair and see if the new ones are, in fact, much better. I think that once you try a new pair you'll feel the difference and see where the old ones are worn.0
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I stopped tracking mileage since I run in minimalist shoes with little to no support or cushion. I get new ones when the current ones get holes.
That said when I did wear conventional shoes I tracked and depending on the model, they wore out between 300 & 600 miles. That's some impressive construction to get 800 out of them, I'd definitely snag a new pair.1 -
I've not yet heard of brands putting stiffer material in shoes that are larger size for an assumed heavier person.
Same material all sizes, which means different weights in them.
Heavier weight is going to break down the cushioning faster, and as mentioned that's not visible - though bringing the old when buying the new may make it very apparent just standing and bouncing a bit.
Running form gets the tread wear difference.
So it's very hard to say compare not only between brands, but from experience from one person to another.
And then add in the different firmness people get.
I could see a light lady in heavy control thick shoes getting way more miles than a heavy guy in minimalist shoes landing mid-foot (raises hand).
But while I may wear the tread off fast (though I really think it's the thickness, not me), the mid-foot landing means if the foam breaks down - not really a big deal since barefoot style anyway.
Only problem is if the unbroken down material forces my foot to move in unnatural form.0 -
Thanks again everyone for the helpful advice. ASICS actually has a retail store here in Chicago, which I paid a visit to last night to make a purchase. The new Kayano 24 is, if anything, even more comfortable than the previous iteration, and you guys were TOTALLY right in that as soon as I got a new pair on my feet I immediately realized my my error in running in the old ones for as long as I did. My first run in them will be tonight after work, which I am looking forward to.
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JustRobby1 wrote: »Thanks again everyone for the helpful advice. ASICS actually has a retail store here in Chicago, which I paid a visit to last night to make a purchase. The new Kayano 24 is, if anything, even more comfortable than the previous iteration, and you guys were TOTALLY right in that as soon as I got a new pair on my feet I immediately realized my my error in running in the old ones for as long as I did. My first run in them will be tonight after work, which I am looking forward to.
Yay! I love stories with happy endings. 1 -
[quote="heybales;c-40398383"]I've not yet heard of brands putting stiffer material in shoes that are larger size for an assumed heavier person.
Same material all sizes, which means different weights in them.
Heavier weight is going to break down the cushioning faster, and as mentioned that's not visible - though bringing the old when buying the new may make it very apparent just standing and bouncing a bit.
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Large shoe size doesn't mean someone is overweight. My hubby wears a very large size since 9th grade and he's now in his 60s. It has nothing to do with his weight.
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JustRobby1 wrote: »Does not appear to me that they are broke down, but I have not been in the distance running game long either. Here is a pic of the bottoms:
Those are pretty worn.
When I was running half marathons I would buy 2 pairs of new shoes every 4 months--putting me closer to 300 miles per pair of shoes. My mileage is considerably less now--I can go 6-8 months. I feel it in my back before I feel it anywhere else.
If you have a pair of shoes you like and don't always need the newest model/colorway, I would suggest shopping around online to find the best price--you can sometimes find previous seasons' models on sale.
I would suggest getting the new ones before your race, and in plenty of time to get them broken in.1 -
Large shoe size doesn't mean someone is overweight. My hubby wears a very large size since 9th grade and he's now in his 60s. It has nothing to do with his weight.I've not yet heard of brands putting stiffer material in shoes that are larger size for an assumed heavier person.
Same material all sizes, which means different weights in them.
Heavier weight is going to break down the cushioning faster, and as mentioned that's not visible - though bringing the old when buying the new may make it very apparent just standing and bouncing a bit.
I know, that's the point, if they were going to make an assumption that would be it, but they don't - same material in all sizes.
What they do is just have tons of models with varying amount of density to handle that situation.
Just points out why expert help at least 1st time through is so needed.
Light person that needs extra support gets model that for a heavy person would be minimal support.0 -
This is why I buy two pair at a time and alternate them out.
not only do I save myself time I can usually find them on sale too as I purchase them at odd times...
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Buy them and start breaking them in and use your oldies but goodies for the race. If your knees and hips are killing you more than usual at least you'll have a back up pair.
Wisdom:
I usually buy my hubs "NB" brand / size at the end of the season and can get 2 pair for what they would have cost if I bought them when they first came out. NBs have a model number on them and I google what's available and read reviews, or buy one pair for half price and if he really likes them buy a bunch of that model. Long term that saves me money.0 -
Having more than one usable pair is really a good idea. The shoes will dry out completely between uses, which will lengthen the time they last. It can also be a good idea to have different shoes for different uses - a lighter pair for speed work or short races, a heavier pair for long runs, trail shoes for running trails. Initially it costs more (though you can buy on sale) but in the long run the shoes will last longer.0
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JustRobby1 wrote: »Thanks again everyone for the helpful advice. ASICS actually has a retail store here in Chicago, which I paid a visit to last night to make a purchase. The new Kayano 24 is, if anything, even more comfortable than the previous iteration, and you guys were TOTALLY right in that as soon as I got a new pair on my feet I immediately realized my my error in running in the old ones for as long as I did. My first run in them will be tonight after work, which I am looking forward to.
You might want to consider buying another pair of Kayanos after you have 100 to 200 miles on the pair you just bought. Then rotate between the two. The difference in feel between shoes of the same model with different amounts of mileage on them can be a clue as to when a pair needs to retire.
I rotate through 3 pair of Saucony Kinvaras. When I get a twinge anywhere in my running chain after running in the oldest pair that doesn't happen after running in the newer pairs, I know it's time to retire the oldest pair and put a new pair into the rotations.
Retiring a pair of shoes too early is much less expensive and much less frustrating than waiting too long and paying for another round of physical therapy to fix how I banged myself up from running in worn out shoes.1 -
JustRobby1 wrote: »Thanks again everyone for the helpful advice. ASICS actually has a retail store here in Chicago, which I paid a visit to last night to make a purchase. The new Kayano 24 is, if anything, even more comfortable than the previous iteration, and you guys were TOTALLY right in that as soon as I got a new pair on my feet I immediately realized my my error in running in the old ones for as long as I did. My first run in them will be tonight after work, which I am looking forward to.
Nothing like buying some new goodies to drive motivation for a couple of good runs.0 -
JustRobby1 wrote: »Thanks again everyone for the helpful advice. ASICS actually has a retail store here in Chicago, which I paid a visit to last night to make a purchase. The new Kayano 24 is, if anything, even more comfortable than the previous iteration, and you guys were TOTALLY right in that as soon as I got a new pair on my feet I immediately realized my my error in running in the old ones for as long as I did. My first run in them will be tonight after work, which I am looking forward to.
You might want to consider buying another pair of Kayanos after you have 100 to 200 miles on the pair you just bought. Then rotate between the two. The difference in feel between shoes of the same model with different amounts of mileage on them can be a clue as to when a pair needs to retire.
I rotate through 3 pair of Saucony Kinvaras. When I get a twinge anywhere in my running chain after running in the oldest pair that doesn't happen after running in the newer pairs, I know it's time to retire the oldest pair and put a new pair into the rotations.
Retiring a pair of shoes too early is much less expensive and much less frustrating than waiting too long and paying for another round of physical therapy to fix how I banged myself up from running in worn out shoes.
That is actually a really good idea! Thanks for sharing it.0
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