if you dont have an eating disorder, dont try and diagnose people with eating disorders
GORESPELLS
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seriously. stop.
i have ednos and it pisses me off to NO END when neurotypicals say ‘!!u have an eating disorder!!’ when they ovb dont.
an eating disorder is NOT undereating for one day or fasting for one day. STOP MAKING IT LESS THAN IT IS.
also on the point of making eating disorders not sound as bad, STOP JOKING ABOUT GIVING YOURSELF AN EATING DISORDER. ITS TERRIBLE. YOU DONT WANT IT.
jesus, it just gets me so heated. you guys who dont have eds dont understand how hard it is and just think that its undereating and hating yourself. its MUCH more than that.
i have ednos and it pisses me off to NO END when neurotypicals say ‘!!u have an eating disorder!!’ when they ovb dont.
an eating disorder is NOT undereating for one day or fasting for one day. STOP MAKING IT LESS THAN IT IS.
also on the point of making eating disorders not sound as bad, STOP JOKING ABOUT GIVING YOURSELF AN EATING DISORDER. ITS TERRIBLE. YOU DONT WANT IT.
jesus, it just gets me so heated. you guys who dont have eds dont understand how hard it is and just think that its undereating and hating yourself. its MUCH more than that.
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The pro ana types bother me way more like EDs are a game and glamourus. Oh yes spending 3 months in an inpatient treatment program and messing up your body for years afterwards is oh so fun12
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singingflutelady wrote: »The pro ana types bother me way more like EDs are a game and glamourus. Oh yes spending 3 months in an inpatient treatment program and messing up your body for years afterwards is oh so fun
ikr!! pro ana butterflies make me so angry. they openly promote anorexia/other eating disorders and act like it will make you perfect. it. will. not. theyre mostly people who just want attention, anyways, as they dont understand what an ed is actually like until they develop it. they glorify inpatient treatment and tubing to no end
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The only advice someone who hasn't struggled with it should ever give is suggesting someone find a professional to talk to if they are genuinely concerned in my opinion.9
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The only advice someone who hasn't struggled with it should ever give is suggesting someone find a professional to talk to if they are genuinely concerned in my opinion.
i agree, but mostly therapists are biased and dont know about eds and think of them lowly and give the same basic advice
- why dont u just eat more? its not hard
- have u tried xx medication?
- just meditate
and it gets repeated over and over which is why a lot of people with eds dont recover, since we dont have very good recovery tools. basically all inpatient does is force feed you and send you home when youre at bmi 20-21, which makes your ed worse. i think there needs to be a lot of reform and better recovery options.
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As someone who has a long and colourful history of eating disorders, chill dude.
Generally when people here are raising concerns that a poster may have an eating disorder, it's because there is actual cause for concern. That may come from a particular post, or from a history of posting from that person. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone state that one day of under or over-eating is disordered (and it's not). A regular pattern of severely undereating, especially in response to overeating, is absolutely disordered though (the binge/starve cycle), even if the person doesn't have a full blown ED yet. I know I started out saying I was just going to throw up that one time, then only on weekends, then I did it again, and again, and again until it was multiple times a day. And it sucked. Pointing out to people that their eating habits aren't healthy and are potentially leading to a very bad place isn't a bad thing.
But yeah, joking about wishing you had an eating disorder is not cool, because it is hell.
I hope you are now in recovery, OP, and wish you the very best with that.38 -
singingflutelady wrote: »The pro ana types bother me way more like EDs are a game and glamourus. Oh yes spending 3 months in an inpatient treatment program and messing up your body for years afterwards is oh so fun
Oh yeah, they make me so ragey.2 -
GORESPELLS wrote: »The only advice someone who hasn't struggled with it should ever give is suggesting someone find a professional to talk to if they are genuinely concerned in my opinion.
i agree, but mostly therapists are biased and dont know about eds and think of them lowly and give the same basic advice
- why dont u just eat more? its not hard
- have u tried xx medication?
- just meditate
and it gets repeated over and over which is why a lot of people with eds dont recover, since we dont have very good recovery tools. basically all inpatient does is force feed you and send you home when youre at bmi 20-21, which makes your ed worse. i think there needs to be a lot of reform and better recovery options.
I'm sorry your experience with treatment hasn't been a positive one![:\](https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
. I think I got really lucky with the counsellor I had at university. Probably also helped that I wasn't that far down the rabbit hole, in terms of duration, and that I knew I had a problem and wanted to get better (two very different things, and then there's wanting to and being ready to). Obviously I had relapses, or the history wouldn't be long and colourful, but that initial treatment taught me a lot, and I was able to put it to use when I had to drag myself out of the hole again on other occasions. 6 -
Actually, it's probably best that ONLY people who don't have eating disorders diagnose those with eating disorders, otherwise they would have disordered thinking themselves, which could comprimise their ability to make a diagnosis, and treat it properly.15
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jennifer_417 wrote: »Actually, it's probably best that ONLY people who don't have eating disorders diagnose those with eating disorders, otherwise they would have disordered thinking themselves, which could comprimise their ability to make a diagnosis, and treat it properly.
OP is referring to MFPers 'diagnosing' eating disorders.6 -
As someone who has suffered from an eating disorder, it sounds like you need some help. Just my professional opinion. No degree needed apparently.12
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I'm honestly not sure who you're directing this at? Society in general? Because MFP isn't representative of the general population or even those who behave the way you object to. I agree it's not glamourous or that a day or two of fasting/eating low is an eating disorder but nobody here is saying so and this post is coming off a bit....odd.10
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »jennifer_417 wrote: »Actually, it's probably best that ONLY people who don't have eating disorders diagnose those with eating disorders, otherwise they would have disordered thinking themselves, which could comprimise their ability to make a diagnosis, and treat it properly.
OP is referring to MFPers 'diagnosing' eating disorders.
I don't know that he is. I think it's for people in general. With this being his first ever post I don't think he's commenting on the community here but more generally.2 -
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GORESPELLS wrote: »seriously. stop.
i have ednos and it pisses me off to NO END when neurotypicals say ‘!!u have an eating disorder!!’ when they ovb dont.
an eating disorder is NOT undereating for one day or fasting for one day. STOP MAKING IT LESS THAN IT IS.
also on the point of making eating disorders not sound as bad, STOP JOKING ABOUT GIVING YOURSELF AN EATING DISORDER. ITS TERRIBLE. YOU DONT WANT IT.
jesus, it just gets me so heated. you guys who dont have eds dont understand how hard it is and just think that its undereating and hating yourself. its MUCH more than that.
As an individual, not the group of MFP posters itself, I can say seriously I have never "diagnosed" someone with an eating disorder, nor seen anyone do that (which I admit could easily mean that I didn't catch it despite it being there). That said, I will continue to point out things a person might say in a post that are a red flag for the possibility. Many share the same genuine concern. And that is a good thing.
This is a community comprised of a diverse group of people with many backgrounds, but in my experience I've found people to be helpful. Even when they are not helpful, it does not come with the opposite intent. Even when bad advice is given, and it happens a lot, it is with good intent. There is also plenty of advice given that is not sugar-coated and exactly what some people need.
That's how I personally want a community to be. It's why I visit these forums almost every day.
With all due respect, and I have compassion for those with EDs, it seems like you are projecting a frustration onto an entire group here, and I find it a little bit unwarranted.
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VintageFeline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »jennifer_417 wrote: »Actually, it's probably best that ONLY people who don't have eating disorders diagnose those with eating disorders, otherwise they would have disordered thinking themselves, which could comprimise their ability to make a diagnosis, and treat it properly.
OP is referring to MFPers 'diagnosing' eating disorders.
I don't know that he is. I think it's for people in general. With this being his first ever post I don't think he's commenting on the community here but more generally.
Fair point. I admit I just assumed it was directed at MFPers. General population would make more sense. But I don't think OP was referring to specialists/therapists, who should be the ones doing the actual diagnosing (though really, when it's obvious, it's obvious), which seemed to be what the person I responded to was saying, since they reference being able to give appropriate treatment .0 -
GORESPELLS wrote: »The only advice someone who hasn't struggled with it should ever give is suggesting someone find a professional to talk to if they are genuinely concerned in my opinion.
i agree, but mostly therapists are biased and dont know about eds and think of them lowly and give the same basic advice
- why dont u just eat more? its not hard
- have u tried xx medication?
- just meditate
and it gets repeated over and over which is why a lot of people with eds dont recover, since we dont have very good recovery tools. basically all inpatient does is force feed you and send you home when youre at bmi 20-21, which makes your ed worse. i think there needs to be a lot of reform and better recovery options.
TBH, the human brain is pretty complicated and I think that a lot of mental health treatment is a best guess/trial and error.
Edited to add: I would hazard to guess that many of your fellow mpfers have at least dabbled in eating disorders/disorders thoughts about food and body image... I know I have (more than dabbled but less than needing hospitalization).1 -
I have been diagnosed with an eating disorder. I told a few people and they said they didn't believe me because I'm not underweight. Not everyone with an eating disorder is underweight!! I have ARFID, and people with EDNOS or BED are not always stick-thin.
It annoys me when people don't believe me because I "don't look anorexic" Probably because that's not the ED I have?7 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »jennifer_417 wrote: »Actually, it's probably best that ONLY people who don't have eating disorders diagnose those with eating disorders, otherwise they would have disordered thinking themselves, which could comprimise their ability to make a diagnosis, and treat it properly.
OP is referring to MFPers 'diagnosing' eating disorders.
I don't know that he is. I think it's for people in general. With this being his first ever post I don't think he's commenting on the community here but more generally.
He doesn't have to post to read through the forums and see how often "you have an eating disorder" is posted as a response on MFP.9 -
I don't talk about my mental health issues (we all have 'em, so don't get smug) unless I want feedback.
That means food issues, daddy issues, past abuse or betrayals, other fears or anxieties etc.
People are going to comment when you give that kind of personal information. Not only will they comment, they will try to "fix" it. That's their mental health issue.4 -
I don't have an eating disorder but I can look at someone with a severe one and tell that they have one. I may want to help but in this case, my daughters room mate, I know that her parents are very involved. While people here may offer advice or just chime in suggesting someone may need help (in their opinion) they mean well most of the time. To the OP I think that social media is creating a class of people that go into a rage if anything offends them. This has now gone to the extreme point that people are killing or getting killed because they don't like something or get offended by it. I think we all need to relax a bit and tone it back. Its okay to disagree and if offended mute or debate but its a big world out there. Sometimes you just need to accept that there are mean, wrong or ill informed people out there and move along.4
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Sometimes you just need to accept that there are mean, wrong or ill informed people out there and move along.
...so...don't speak up for what you strongly believe is wrong? Or try to educate someone who is misinformed?0 -
I have been diagnosed with an eating disorder. I told a few people and they said they didn't believe me because I'm not underweight. Not everyone with an eating disorder is underweight!! I have ARFID, and people with EDNOS or BED are not always stick-thin.
It annoys me when people don't believe me because I "don't look anorexic" Probably because that's not the ED I have?
Bulimics are often a normal weight/overweight as well. I've been bulimic since 13 and have ranged widely from underweight, to normal, to overweight-almost-obese and back down again. The problem with EDs especially, and their addiction-like behavior cycles, is the person suffering gets very good at hiding it, lying for it, derailing concern from others for it. It's a very personal affliction. And THAT'S why I agree that the best anyone can do on this site for people with an ED is expressing basic concern and suggest they seek professional help elsewhere, and end their engaging at that. Trying to have a meaningful discussion about them on a calorie counting/dieting website is just never going to go over well. Just my two cents on the matter.5 -
Sometimes you just need to accept that there are mean, wrong or ill informed people out there and move along.
...so...don't speak up for what you strongly believe is wrong? Or try to educate someone who is misinformed?
I guess I am getting tired of people of using sticks and rocks to express what they strongly believe. Not that the OP is doing that but I feel the "tone" was a bit strong. I just prefer a world that we all could agree to disagree in a civil manner but in my heart I realize that is not likely to happen.1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »jennifer_417 wrote: »Actually, it's probably best that ONLY people who don't have eating disorders diagnose those with eating disorders, otherwise they would have disordered thinking themselves, which could comprimise their ability to make a diagnosis, and treat it properly.
OP is referring to MFPers 'diagnosing' eating disorders.
I don't know that he is. I think it's for people in general. With this being his first ever post I don't think he's commenting on the community here but more generally.
He doesn't have to post to read through the forums and see how often "you have an eating disorder" is posted as a response on MFP.
Shrug. Profile says today is the first visit. I don't see too much of "you have an eating disorder" but I do see "you possibly have disordered eating/may be heading down a dangerous path/should maybe talk to your doctor". I don't see diagnosing and frankly I'd rather people err on the side of caution (without saying someone flat out has and ED) when responding to threads.
We get a lot of people in recovery as well looking for advice. This isn't the place for it. And again, not wrong to say that they should be talking to their treatment team and not us.9 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »jennifer_417 wrote: »Actually, it's probably best that ONLY people who don't have eating disorders diagnose those with eating disorders, otherwise they would have disordered thinking themselves, which could comprimise their ability to make a diagnosis, and treat it properly.
OP is referring to MFPers 'diagnosing' eating disorders.
I don't know that he is. I think it's for people in general. With this being his first ever post I don't think he's commenting on the community here but more generally.
He doesn't have to post to read through the forums and see how often "you have an eating disorder" is posted as a response on MFP.
Shrug. Profile says today is the first visit. I don't see too much of "you have an eating disorder" but I do see "you possibly have disordered eating/may be heading down a dangerous path/should maybe talk to your doctor". I don't see diagnosing and frankly I'd rather people err on the side of caution (without saying someone flat out has and ED) when responding to threads.
We get a lot of people in recovery as well looking for advice. This isn't the place for it. And again, not wrong to say that they should be talking to their treatment team and not us.
I agree with the bolded...what I see and bugs me is the recommendation to go to a doctor all the time because they are eating 1k calories and people are like wow you should get help for that...go see a doctor.
I think I may have said that once and it was in response to views on food not how much they were eating...
aka food was bad evil etc. to an extreme degree...
as for the OP who knows who it was directed at except them.....maybe they will come back and clarify.3 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »jennifer_417 wrote: »Actually, it's probably best that ONLY people who don't have eating disorders diagnose those with eating disorders, otherwise they would have disordered thinking themselves, which could comprimise their ability to make a diagnosis, and treat it properly.
OP is referring to MFPers 'diagnosing' eating disorders.
I don't know that he is. I think it's for people in general. With this being his first ever post I don't think he's commenting on the community here but more generally.
He doesn't have to post to read through the forums and see how often "you have an eating disorder" is posted as a response on MFP.
Not everyone mentions that they have/don't have an ED, either, so it is difficult to say where the advice comes from unless specified.1 -
MFP in general doesn't have a good framework for dealing with disordered eating. It might help to chime in and call out problematic comments on ED-type posts; for the most part I've seen people implore the poster to seek counseling, but for the occasional problematic post, it would help to have someone with experience like you step in if you feel comfortable.
That being said do you have any good guidelines on what to say if we suspect someone has an eating disorder? Is there something constructive to be done?1 -
I agree with the bolded...what I see and bugs me is the recommendation to go to a doctor all the time because they are eating 1k calories and people are like wow you should get help for that...go see a doctor.
Slippery slope, IMO. While consuming 1k calories per day is probably fine for some people, it probably is not for the majority of the population and I don't think random strangers on the internet, without context, should be telling someone that it is o.k., especially for the long term. Hence the "maybe you should see a doctor" is the safe answer for suggesting that person ask for advice from a professional who might have some better context about that person and his/her personal situation. Not that all doctors have great training in dietetics or mental health, but at least the doctor is seeing him/her in person and has some level of patient information and health history.
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cerise_noir wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »jennifer_417 wrote: »Actually, it's probably best that ONLY people who don't have eating disorders diagnose those with eating disorders, otherwise they would have disordered thinking themselves, which could comprimise their ability to make a diagnosis, and treat it properly.
OP is referring to MFPers 'diagnosing' eating disorders.
I don't know that he is. I think it's for people in general. With this being his first ever post I don't think he's commenting on the community here but more generally.
He doesn't have to post to read through the forums and see how often "you have an eating disorder" is posted as a response on MFP.
Not everyone mentions that they have/don't have an ED, either, so it is difficult to say where the advice comes from unless specified.
That's what I was just thinking.
I mean, I'm pretty open here about my issues with food. But I don't think that someone should have to self-disclose if they recognize behavioral patterns in someone else that are along the commenter's own line of disordered behavior.
And I don't see that much on the MFP boards about "OMG you have an eating disorder!" or "OMG I wanna be ana or mia". Maybe I'm just fortunate that I'm not on those boards where that dialogue is prominent. But here, on this board, it tends to be more along the lines of "You really should see someone about that" or "that sounds concerning." And you don't have to *have* an eating disorder to recognize that someone has a troubled relationship with food. If anything, I'd argue that those of us who do have eating issues are less likely to recognize the behavior as being disordered.
Do I call someone out when I recognize that they're doing something that I do? Absolutely. Because I've been struggling with this for 20+ years now, and I know there are things that are not good about how I act around food, and why should someone else suffer in silence -- or worse, continue thinking that they're normal?5 -
GORESPELLS wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »The pro ana types bother me way more like EDs are a game and glamourus. Oh yes spending 3 months in an inpatient treatment program and messing up your body for years afterwards is oh so fun
ikr!! pro ana butterflies make me so angry. they openly promote anorexia/other eating disorders and act like it will make you perfect. it. will. not. theyre mostly people who just want attention, anyways, as they dont understand what an ed is actually like until they develop it. they glorify inpatient treatment and tubing to no end
I'm sure you realize and don't care, but you do know that you sound no better than some of the MPA types who call people wannarexics, right?0
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