Fasting & muscle gain/loss
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jordan_bowden wrote: »If you are leaning out and carry fat on the glutes, it is normal for them to get smaller. However, if you think you are losing muscle in that area, then ya, that is not good. I am not sure how fasting would affect that unless you happen to be undereating overall.
Have you been eating in a deficit? How fast are you losing? How lean are you already? If you are already very lean and have a lower bodyfat%, then it is possible you will lose some muscle unfortunately.
What are your goals?
I have tried eating at a deficit and gradually lowering but I never saw any results. The only time I lose is when I eat below 500 calories and I find really unsustainable.
My goals are to grow the glutes and lean out everywhere else. I don't know what my body fat percentage is, unfortunately.
Why are you even trying to eat at a deficit since in an earlier post you say you struggle to eat enough food. Please see a doctor about your eating habits.5 -
Thank you for all your advice, I know that I need to eat more and am trying to work on it! I do not think I need to see anybody, as I am perfectly sound minded and nowhere near being underweight or anything like that.
Really appreciate all the input xx3 -
Just for average muscle maintenance, you need 1 gram per kilo, more if you are doing gym work. You are in a catabolic state, for lack of calories and by definition energy. Your body won't care, about building or maintaining muscle when is starving.0
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jordan_bowden wrote: »Thank you for all your advice, I know that I need to eat more and am trying to work on it! I do not think I need to see anybody, as I am perfectly sound minded and nowhere near being underweight or anything like that.
Really appreciate all the input xx
is there a reason you choose to fast?1 -
jordan_bowden wrote: »Thank you for all your advice, I know that I need to eat more and am trying to work on it! I do not think I need to see anybody, as I am perfectly sound minded and nowhere near being underweight or anything like that.
Really appreciate all the input xx
given that you have had this problem since February at least, i think you really do need to get some help before you do yourself some serious damage.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/38960709#Comment_389607097 -
16:8 and 5:2 have nothing to do with muscle loss. IF is designed to eat your calories within a Time window, not starve yourself.5
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Between the two types of fasting and eating vegan.. if your way of eating is causing unhealthy eating habits, you need to rethink how you are doing things before you cause some serious damage to your body (if not already). Maybe try extending your eating window or not fast at all. If you have been having this problem for months now, I do agree it is time to talk to someone. If you don't change what you are doing you will cause problems for yourself, not to mention you won't be making any progress and will likely be in the same place you are now months and even years from now.5
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OP -
So... I don't know you at all. I don't know what you're good at and I don't know where you struggle. I don't know what your real goals are, or if you even know what they are. I don't know what your triggers are, what you respond well to, or what sends you into a tailspin, so I apologize if I'm overstepping. But speaking very generally....
Recovering from poor habits, and especially poor relationships with food, can be hard. REALLY hard. It's hard mentally. It's hard emotionally. And it's hard pragmatically. Sometimes success is trading a really bad habit for a slightly less bad habit... at least it is for me.
From your post, it seems like you've got a lot going on. You're vegan. You fast. You IF. You're trying to get into lifting. You're hoping to grow your glutes. You're hoping to drop weight/fat/lean out/I'm not exactly sure. That's a lot.
IMO, I'd take a couple of days and really think about your goals. Then prioritize them. Pick 1 or 2 as the most important, then put look at the rest as tertiary. Then, once you have some focus, I'd work on building good habits that contribute to those goals, that set you up for success, that put you in a good place mentally to work towards those goals. If you need help figuring out the best ways to grow your glutes or to lean out or to stick to cals or whatever else, certainly ask -- there are some really helpful, really knowledgable people here. But ultimately, it sounds to me like you need to take a step back, see the bigger picture, and get a bit of focus.
Just my $.02. Take it for what it's worth.5 -
TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »Thank you for all your advice, I know that I need to eat more and am trying to work on it! I do not think I need to see anybody, as I am perfectly sound minded and nowhere near being underweight or anything like that.
Really appreciate all the input xx
is there a reason you choose to fast?
I used to fast without even realizing it and then one day I heard of IF did more research about it. I have it a shot and I find I feel way more energetic in a prolonged fasted state
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OP -
So... I don't know you at all. I don't know what you're good at and I don't know where you struggle. I don't know what your real goals are, or if you even know what they are. I don't know what your triggers are, what you respond well to, or what sends you into a tailspin, so I apologize if I'm overstepping. But speaking very generally....
Recovering from poor habits, and especially poor relationships with food, can be hard. REALLY hard. It's hard mentally. It's hard emotionally. And it's hard pragmatically. Sometimes success is trading a really bad habit for a slightly less bad habit... at least it is for me.
From your post, it seems like you've got a lot going on. You're vegan. You fast. You IF. You're trying to get into lifting. You're hoping to grow your glutes. You're hoping to drop weight/fat/lean out/I'm not exactly sure. That's a lot.
IMO, I'd take a couple of days and really think about your goals. Then prioritize them. Pick 1 or 2 as the most important, then put look at the rest as tertiary. Then, once you have some focus, I'd work on building good habits that contribute to those goals, that set you up for success, that put you in a good place mentally to work towards those goals. If you need help figuring out the best ways to grow your glutes or to lean out or to stick to cals or whatever else, certainly ask -- there are some really helpful, really knowledgable people here. But ultimately, it sounds to me like you need to take a step back, see the bigger picture, and get a bit of focus.
Just my $.02. Take it for what it's worth.
I guess I never really looked at things from that perspective. I tend to challenge myself and if I enjoy it, I will stick to it. I never thought it was too much but I am sure I could re-evaluate everything altogether.
Thanks again, for all your input everybody it is so appreciated! Definitely got a long way to go 1 -
jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »Thank you for all your advice, I know that I need to eat more and am trying to work on it! I do not think I need to see anybody, as I am perfectly sound minded and nowhere near being underweight or anything like that.
Really appreciate all the input xx
is there a reason you choose to fast?
I used to fast without even realizing it and then one day I heard of IF did more research about it. I have it a shot and I find I feel way more energetic in a prolonged fasted state
Interesting comment when you admitted in the thread that I linked that your fasted due to an unhealthy relationship with food?2 -
TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »Thank you for all your advice, I know that I need to eat more and am trying to work on it! I do not think I need to see anybody, as I am perfectly sound minded and nowhere near being underweight or anything like that.
Really appreciate all the input xx
is there a reason you choose to fast?
I used to fast without even realizing it and then one day I heard of IF did more research about it. I have it a shot and I find I feel way more energetic in a prolonged fasted state
Interesting comment when you admitted in the thread that I linked that your fasted due to an unhealthy relationship with food?
Admittedly it was both. However I do not find that I struggle with the emotional side of it anymore. I don't feel guilty for eating or any negative feelings towards food. I merely find that I feel uncomfortable and more sluggish when I eat often0 -
jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »Thank you for all your advice, I know that I need to eat more and am trying to work on it! I do not think I need to see anybody, as I am perfectly sound minded and nowhere near being underweight or anything like that.
Really appreciate all the input xx
is there a reason you choose to fast?
I used to fast without even realizing it and then one day I heard of IF did more research about it. I have it a shot and I find I feel way more energetic in a prolonged fasted state
Interesting comment when you admitted in the thread that I linked that your fasted due to an unhealthy relationship with food?
Admittedly it was both. However I do not find that I struggle with the emotional side of it anymore. I don't feel guilty for eating or any negative feelings towards food. I merely find that I feel uncomfortable and more sluggish when I eat often
How do you feel about the fact you're massively undereating at the moment?4 -
jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »Thank you for all your advice, I know that I need to eat more and am trying to work on it! I do not think I need to see anybody, as I am perfectly sound minded and nowhere near being underweight or anything like that.
Really appreciate all the input xx
is there a reason you choose to fast?
I used to fast without even realizing it and then one day I heard of IF did more research about it. I have it a shot and I find I feel way more energetic in a prolonged fasted state
Interesting comment when you admitted in the thread that I linked that your fasted due to an unhealthy relationship with food?
Admittedly it was both. However I do not find that I struggle with the emotional side of it anymore. I don't feel guilty for eating or any negative feelings towards food. I merely find that I feel uncomfortable and more sluggish when I eat often
If you feel uncomfortable with more food, you need to eat more calorie dense foods to fill your day, things that aren't super filling but have lots of calories. Nuts, seeds, flax, coconut oil/milk, avocado, dried fruit, granola, pasta, bagels, rice etc.
You need to put your health first. And remember, you will not reach any sort of goals if you are under fueling. If anything you will lose whatever glutes you have left. I don't like eating a lot either, but I put my goals first. I want a bangin' bod with larger glutes, gotta suck it up and fuel the machine.6 -
TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »Thank you for all your advice, I know that I need to eat more and am trying to work on it! I do not think I need to see anybody, as I am perfectly sound minded and nowhere near being underweight or anything like that.
Really appreciate all the input xx
is there a reason you choose to fast?
I used to fast without even realizing it and then one day I heard of IF did more research about it. I have it a shot and I find I feel way more energetic in a prolonged fasted state
Interesting comment when you admitted in the thread that I linked that your fasted due to an unhealthy relationship with food?
Admittedly it was both. However I do not find that I struggle with the emotional side of it anymore. I don't feel guilty for eating or any negative feelings towards food. I merely find that I feel uncomfortable and more sluggish when I eat often
How do you feel about the fact you're massively undereating at the moment?
I don't really think about it much, I guess I don't care but I know it's affecting my progress so that does challenge me a bit.
I am trying to incorporate higher calorie foods into my diet, sometimes it just messes with my macros but I guess it's not the end of the world0 -
jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »Thank you for all your advice, I know that I need to eat more and am trying to work on it! I do not think I need to see anybody, as I am perfectly sound minded and nowhere near being underweight or anything like that.
Really appreciate all the input xx
is there a reason you choose to fast?
I used to fast without even realizing it and then one day I heard of IF did more research about it. I have it a shot and I find I feel way more energetic in a prolonged fasted state
Interesting comment when you admitted in the thread that I linked that your fasted due to an unhealthy relationship with food?
Admittedly it was both. However I do not find that I struggle with the emotional side of it anymore. I don't feel guilty for eating or any negative feelings towards food. I merely find that I feel uncomfortable and more sluggish when I eat often
How do you feel about the fact you're massively undereating at the moment?
I don't really think about it much, I guess I don't care but I know it's affecting my progress so that does challenge me a bit.
I am trying to incorporate higher calorie foods into my diet, sometimes it just messes with my macros but I guess it's not the end of the world
You don't care about your health... :huh: I guess that's the difference between being 18 and 35 :laugh:5 -
TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »Thank you for all your advice, I know that I need to eat more and am trying to work on it! I do not think I need to see anybody, as I am perfectly sound minded and nowhere near being underweight or anything like that.
Really appreciate all the input xx
is there a reason you choose to fast?
I used to fast without even realizing it and then one day I heard of IF did more research about it. I have it a shot and I find I feel way more energetic in a prolonged fasted state
Interesting comment when you admitted in the thread that I linked that your fasted due to an unhealthy relationship with food?
Admittedly it was both. However I do not find that I struggle with the emotional side of it anymore. I don't feel guilty for eating or any negative feelings towards food. I merely find that I feel uncomfortable and more sluggish when I eat often
How do you feel about the fact you're massively undereating at the moment?
I don't really think about it much, I guess I don't care but I know it's affecting my progress so that does challenge me a bit.
I am trying to incorporate higher calorie foods into my diet, sometimes it just messes with my macros but I guess it's not the end of the world
You don't care about your health... :huh: I guess that's the difference between being 18 and 35 :laugh:
*sigh*
How long would one have to "massively undereat" to have any meaningful, log term, negative effect on one's health?0 -
TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »Thank you for all your advice, I know that I need to eat more and am trying to work on it! I do not think I need to see anybody, as I am perfectly sound minded and nowhere near being underweight or anything like that.
Really appreciate all the input xx
is there a reason you choose to fast?
I used to fast without even realizing it and then one day I heard of IF did more research about it. I have it a shot and I find I feel way more energetic in a prolonged fasted state
Interesting comment when you admitted in the thread that I linked that your fasted due to an unhealthy relationship with food?
Admittedly it was both. However I do not find that I struggle with the emotional side of it anymore. I don't feel guilty for eating or any negative feelings towards food. I merely find that I feel uncomfortable and more sluggish when I eat often
How do you feel about the fact you're massively undereating at the moment?
I don't really think about it much, I guess I don't care but I know it's affecting my progress so that does challenge me a bit.
I am trying to incorporate higher calorie foods into my diet, sometimes it just messes with my macros but I guess it's not the end of the world
You don't care about your health... :huh: I guess that's the difference between being 18 and 35 :laugh:
what are you doing? What is your end game here?1 -
jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »Thank you for all your advice, I know that I need to eat more and am trying to work on it! I do not think I need to see anybody, as I am perfectly sound minded and nowhere near being underweight or anything like that.
Really appreciate all the input xx
is there a reason you choose to fast?
I used to fast without even realizing it and then one day I heard of IF did more research about it. I have it a shot and I find I feel way more energetic in a prolonged fasted state
Interesting comment when you admitted in the thread that I linked that your fasted due to an unhealthy relationship with food?
Admittedly it was both. However I do not find that I struggle with the emotional side of it anymore. I don't feel guilty for eating or any negative feelings towards food. I merely find that I feel uncomfortable and more sluggish when I eat often
How do you feel about the fact you're massively undereating at the moment?
I don't really think about it much, I guess I don't care but I know it's affecting my progress so that does challenge me a bit.
I am trying to incorporate higher calorie foods into my diet, sometimes it just messes with my macros but I guess it's not the end of the world
When you don't provide your body with enough fuel to do the stuff it needs to do every day, and you are already fairly lean, your body will get some of that needed energy by going after your muscle tissue. So not only will you not build muscle, you will actually lose some. One of your most important muscles is your heart BTW. Your body will also to save energy stop doing non-essential stuff, like growing your hair and repairing tired cells.
The concern is that as noted earlier, you were struggling with this back in February. Six + months of under-eating is not just a little blip! Please take care of yourself:flowerforyou: 5 -
jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »jordan_bowden wrote: »Thank you for all your advice, I know that I need to eat more and am trying to work on it! I do not think I need to see anybody, as I am perfectly sound minded and nowhere near being underweight or anything like that.
Really appreciate all the input xx
is there a reason you choose to fast?
I used to fast without even realizing it and then one day I heard of IF did more research about it. I have it a shot and I find I feel way more energetic in a prolonged fasted state
Interesting comment when you admitted in the thread that I linked that your fasted due to an unhealthy relationship with food?
Admittedly it was both. However I do not find that I struggle with the emotional side of it anymore. I don't feel guilty for eating or any negative feelings towards food. I merely find that I feel uncomfortable and more sluggish when I eat often
How do you feel about the fact you're massively undereating at the moment?
I don't really think about it much, I guess I don't care but I know it's affecting my progress so that does challenge me a bit.
I am trying to incorporate higher calorie foods into my diet, sometimes it just messes with my macros but I guess it's not the end of the world
When you don't provide your body with enough fuel to do the stuff it needs to do every day, and you are already fairly lean, your body will get some of that needed energy by going after your muscle tissue. So not only will you not build muscle, you will actually lose some. One of your most important muscles is your heart BTW. Your body will also to save energy stop doing non-essential stuff, like growing your hair and repairing tired cells.
The concern is that as noted earlier, you were struggling with this back in February. Six + months of under-eating is not just a little blip! Please take care of yourself:flowerforyou:
Are you saying your heart will shrink if you eat too little?
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