Is palm oil best avoided?
jordanoye101
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Hi there!
If you buy for example the cheapest frozen roast potatoes - generally they come lathered in palm oil and are noticeably higher in Saturated Fat than others that would cost a little more and coated with sunflower oil.
Food with a high Palm Oil content also (in my opinion) leaves a nasty thick coating of grease on the inside of my mouth and lips compared to other oils?
I generally will cut my own potatoes and roast using an infused olive oil.
Back to the originally question! Is it true that Palm Oil despite not being environmentally friendly - is also one of the worst oils to consume even close to trans fats and hydrogenated oil?
If you buy for example the cheapest frozen roast potatoes - generally they come lathered in palm oil and are noticeably higher in Saturated Fat than others that would cost a little more and coated with sunflower oil.
Food with a high Palm Oil content also (in my opinion) leaves a nasty thick coating of grease on the inside of my mouth and lips compared to other oils?
I generally will cut my own potatoes and roast using an infused olive oil.
Back to the originally question! Is it true that Palm Oil despite not being environmentally friendly - is also one of the worst oils to consume even close to trans fats and hydrogenated oil?
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I avoid it as much as I possibly can.
Plain potatoes are cheaper than frozen ones, cut them and toss in a splash of olive oil, roast for 40 minutes at 350. Ta Da.
The orangutans thank you.4 -
cmriverside wrote: »I avoid it as much as I possibly can.
Plain potatoes are cheaper than frozen ones, cut them and toss in a splash of olive oil, roast for 40 minutes at 350. Ta Da.
The orangutans thank you.
I do as well. And, agreed.0 -
GP told my husband to avoid to help with cholesterol (he's not overweight but has slightly raised cholesterol).0
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cerise_noir wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I avoid it as much as I possibly can.
Plain potatoes are cheaper than frozen ones, cut them and toss in a splash of olive oil, roast for 40 minutes at 350. Ta Da.
The orangutans thank you.
I do as well. And, agreed.
I believe you'd need to distinguish between "red palm oil" (from the fruit), which is healthier than "palm kernel oil," from the kernel, which has higher sat fat content and not so many of the benefits [components] of the red. I've seen postings over time where people claim many benefits for the red palm oil, even in a couple of tbsp/day. I have no idea if any of these stories are real science or just anecdotal.
That being said, the orangutans ARE under pressure from palm deforestation on the Pacific Islands (Malaysia, I think) where this product mostly sources from. Supposedly, there are sustainable crops being planted to alleviate this, but I'm not sure you can tell which is which by label.
They also use this stuff in South America. I make a nice Brazilian fish stew, "moqueca" which usually includes red palm oil as an ingredient. I haven't used the palm oil, so apparently I've been missing a subtle flavoring (the dish without it is great IMHO). I've been tempted, but then I think of the orangs and their plight.1 -
cerise_noir wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I avoid it as much as I possibly can.
Plain potatoes are cheaper than frozen ones, cut them and toss in a splash of olive oil, roast for 40 minutes at 350. Ta Da.
The orangutans thank you.
I do as well. And, agreed.
I believe you'd need to distinguish between "red palm oil" (from the fruit), which is healthier than "palm kernel oil," from the kernel, which has higher sat fat content and not so many of the benefits [components] of the red. I've seen postings over time where people claim many benefits for the red palm oil, even in a couple of tbsp/day. I have no idea if any of these stories are real science or just anecdotal.
That being said, the orangutans ARE under pressure from palm deforestation on the Pacific Islands (Malaysia, I think) where this product mostly sources from. Supposedly, there are sustainable crops being planted to alleviate this, but I'm not sure you can tell which is which by label.
They also use this stuff in South America. I make a nice Brazilian fish stew, "moqueca" which usually includes red palm oil as an ingredient. I haven't used the palm oil, so apparently I've been missing a subtle flavoring (the dish without it is great IMHO). I've been tempted, but then I think of the orangs and their plight.
That's putting it mildly. They do slash burns and the orangutans (and every other forest-dwelling creature) are burned to death in their homes. So freaking sad. For what? Butter Pecan ice cream at $3 a half gallon? It's shameful.
And yeah, I don't believe there is such a thing as "sustainable" palm oil. It's in so much processed food. Anything baked, cookies, crackers, bakery goods, frozen desserts, candy, ice cream. Soap, hair products, lotions.
All the "nut milks" like almond, cashew, coconut, soy "milk," contain palmitate.
I just don't buy any of it.
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I avoid it for ethical/environmental reasons, haven't looked into health reasons.
I don't understand why you would buy pre-oiled frozen potatoes, as plain whole potatoes are super cheap and I am sure you could buy frozen ones without oil, although I never have. (Potatoes is one thing where the whole ones always seem to be cheaper and easier.)1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I don't understand why you would buy pre-oiled frozen potatoes, as plain whole potatoes are super cheap and I am sure you could buy frozen ones without oil, although I never have. (Potatoes is one thing where the whole ones always seem to be cheaper and easier.)
I agree. Toss some cut up potatoes in a bit of olive oil (much better for you) and the seasoning of your choice. Roast at 400F for 30 minutes. Yummy.
As to palm oil, the reason for its sudden increase in use is that it is one of the few vegetable-based fats that is solid at room temperature. Food manufacturers are using it as a replacement for partially hydrogenated oils (trans fats). And, yes, to increase palm oil production to meet the increased demand, orangutans are losing habitat at record pace.
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I avoid palm oil when I can (and when I can't, I choose certified sustainable palm oil), but I don't think there's a very good dietary reason to do so (unless you also avoid other sources of saturated fat as well).0
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Considering how destructive it is to the environment, wildlife, and natives of southest Asia. I avoid it...let alone the nutritional reasons.1
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This thread made me tear up, literally. I work in the animal industry, and I honestly have never seen a thread outside of animal sites of people discussing the environmental impacts of palm oil. You people are all correct...the palm oil industry is literally killing wildlife. There ARE "sustainable palm oil" companies...so if you HAVE to have it, use those. But truthfully avoiding it all together is best. If you want to at least try and avoid products using non-regulated palm oil, the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo has an app for your phone you can download. It has a huge database that tells you whether or not a product uses sustainable palm oil or not. So glad you are all avoiding it already, but remember it's not just in food...its used in shampoos, lotions, and other cosmetics as well.4
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Thank you guys for all of the info in this post! I truly had no idea about anything related to palm oil - besides maybe that it wasn't very good for you. Great to know about it's environmental effects as well. Something I want to try and be on the lookout for.0
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cmriverside wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I avoid it as much as I possibly can.
Plain potatoes are cheaper than frozen ones, cut them and toss in a splash of olive oil, roast for 40 minutes at 350. Ta Da.
The orangutans thank you.
I do as well. And, agreed.
I believe you'd need to distinguish between "red palm oil" (from the fruit), which is healthier than "palm kernel oil," from the kernel, which has higher sat fat content and not so many of the benefits [components] of the red. I've seen postings over time where people claim many benefits for the red palm oil, even in a couple of tbsp/day. I have no idea if any of these stories are real science or just anecdotal.
That being said, the orangutans ARE under pressure from palm deforestation on the Pacific Islands (Malaysia, I think) where this product mostly sources from. Supposedly, there are sustainable crops being planted to alleviate this, but I'm not sure you can tell which is which by label.
They also use this stuff in South America. I make a nice Brazilian fish stew, "moqueca" which usually includes red palm oil as an ingredient. I haven't used the palm oil, so apparently I've been missing a subtle flavoring (the dish without it is great IMHO). I've been tempted, but then I think of the orangs and their plight.
That's putting it mildly. They do slash burns and the orangutans (and every other forest-dwelling creature) are burned to death in their homes. So freaking sad. For what? Butter Pecan ice cream at $3 a half gallon? It's shameful.
And yeah, I don't believe there is such a thing as "sustainable" palm oil. It's in so much processed food. Anything baked, cookies, crackers, bakery goods, frozen desserts, candy, ice cream. Soap, hair products, lotions.
All the "nut milks" like almond, cashew, coconut, soy "milk," contain palmitate.
I just don't buy any of it.
Silk Soy Milk doesn't include palmiate and neither do Califia Farms almond and coconut milks (many vegans avoid palm oil products because of the impact they have on orangutans). There are probably other brands that don't have it either, these are just two that I am familiar with because I buy them.0 -
I don't know how it compares in terms of nutrition benefits but I just avoid it because of the environmental concerns. There are so many other options out there that it's not something I have to think about too much.0
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I avoid it, for the orangutans
Palm oil is not very prevalent in products here in Australia thank goodness. 0 -
cougargirl1025 wrote: »This thread made me tear up, literally. I work in the animal industry, and I honestly have never seen a thread outside of animal sites of people discussing the environmental impacts of palm oil. You people are all correct...the palm oil industry is literally killing wildlife. There ARE "sustainable palm oil" companies...so if you HAVE to have it, use those. But truthfully avoiding it all together is best. If you want to at least try and avoid products using non-regulated palm oil, the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo has an app for your phone you can download. It has a huge database that tells you whether or not a product uses sustainable palm oil or not. So glad you are all avoiding it already, but remember it's not just in food...its used in shampoos, lotions, and other cosmetics as well.
Thank You! I now have the app. While my kitchen is mostly good there are a few products in my bathroom that I will not be repurchasing.1 -
I can't say that I have ever used or even so much as encountered palm oil. At least to my knowledge. I mostly use 2 dollar cooking spray. Though this thread makes now consider stocking up on palm oil. I tend to do the exact opposite of whatever the prevailing SJW/social nicety trends of the day are as a general rule. Just how I roll.2
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They look mighty fine - with a nice batter like crunch on the outside
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JustRobby1 wrote: »I can't say that I have ever used or even so much as encountered palm oil. At least to my knowledge. I mostly use 2 dollar cooking spray. Though this thread makes now consider stocking up on palm oil. I tend to do the exact opposite of whatever the prevailing SJW/social nicety trends of the day are as a general rule. Just how I roll.
It's relatively rare to see it used in home cooking (at least in the US), it's mostly in pre-prepared foods -- things like peanut butter, margarine, baked goods. I'm pretty sure you've had it and some point and just didn't realize it.
If you want just be contrary, I encourage you to choose actions that only impact those you are seeking to annoy, contradict, or otherwise engage with. In this case, by deliberately adding palm oil to your diet when you were not purchasing it before (at least not knowingly), you'd be impacting a third party that has nothing to do with the attempt to be just or nice that you're trying to undermine.5
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