Hypothyroidism; Catabolic Exercise
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Oh and you can add pictures. Above the reply box on the toolbar there's a little picture you can click on and then upload.0
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VintageFeline wrote: »Oh and you can add pictures. Above the reply box on the toolbar there's a little picture you can click on and then upload.
Perhaps not when using the app but still good to know thank you.0 -
Thank you all for your responses, it's been insightful. I've decided to invest my hard earned cash on the suite of thyroid blood tests, I may be opening a can of worms as I may not necessarily be able to afford the drugs, but we'll see.1
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Treadmillmom1st wrote: »Treadmillmom1st wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Are you perhaps thinking of overexercising and undernourishing contributing to a lowering of thyroid function?
No. I'm thinking by increasing my muscle mass I'll increase my Basal Metabolic Rate...which I've done successfully in the last 30 days...just gotta maintain over the next 30 years lol.
You won't have increased your muscle mass in any significant way in 30 days!
And muscle uses a very small amount of calories per day to maintain itself (c. 6 cals per pound per day).
You would be doing well to add 10lbs of muscle in a year to add 60 cals to your BMR.
There's many good reasons to add muscle of course but you need to be realistic.
Shame I can't add pictures I could show you my Boditrax BMR from 1575 to 1620. Muscle mass from 51.8kg to 53.5kg. I exercise 5 days a week. HIIT cardio with wieghts and Plyometrics.
The change in reading is well within the degree of error for that instrument; however this may also be due to adaptive thermogenesis. What you eat on a given day will impact BMR in the short term - 24-72 hours. Thinking of your BMR as a fire - the more fuel you add, the stronger the flame, increased heat. Add less fuel and the flame is diminished, decreased heat.
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Treadmillmom1st wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Oh and you can add pictures. Above the reply box on the toolbar there's a little picture you can click on and then upload.
Perhaps not when using the app but still good to know thank you.
It's there on the iOS app (I checked before replying as I use the desktop usually) but obviously i don't know about Android or Windows phones.0 -
Treadmillmom1st wrote: »Treadmillmom1st wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Are you perhaps thinking of overexercising and undernourishing contributing to a lowering of thyroid function?
No. I'm thinking by increasing my muscle mass I'll increase my Basal Metabolic Rate...which I've done successfully in the last 30 days...just gotta maintain over the next 30 years lol.
You won't have increased your muscle mass in any significant way in 30 days!
And muscle uses a very small amount of calories per day to maintain itself (c. 6 cals per pound per day).
You would be doing well to add 10lbs of muscle in a year to add 60 cals to your BMR.
There's many good reasons to add muscle of course but you need to be realistic.
Shame I can't add pictures I could show you my Boditrax BMR from 1575 to 1620. Muscle mass from 51.8kg to 53.5kg. I exercise 5 days a week. HIIT cardio with wieghts and Plyometrics.
That's a change in hydration not muscle.
Those machines measure electrical resistance in your body, they can't actually measure your body composition let alone BMR.
I have some that tell me I'm 33% BF.
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If you've been diagnosed as hypothyroid--are they actually treating it?0
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I am also hypo with huge family history of same, providing me with enough exposure to say this:
Of course, do your research, get educated, but also research an Endocrinologist that is highly recommended in your area and take all those questions to that specialist. Each of us have different bodies, we each have our own magic formula. Even medications and dosages can be different.
A specialist really is key! Get their eval on your uniqueness and help with your plan. What works for me will not work for you, just like it doesn't work for my sister or aunt or cousin. Nor did the plan for my grandmother work for me.0 -
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Treadmillmom1st wrote: »Treadmillmom1st wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Are you perhaps thinking of overexercising and undernourishing contributing to a lowering of thyroid function?
No. I'm thinking by increasing my muscle mass I'll increase my Basal Metabolic Rate...which I've done successfully in the last 30 days...just gotta maintain over the next 30 years lol.
You won't have increased your muscle mass in any significant way in 30 days!
And muscle uses a very small amount of calories per day to maintain itself (c. 6 cals per pound per day).
You would be doing well to add 10lbs of muscle in a year to add 60 cals to your BMR.
There's many good reasons to add muscle of course but you need to be realistic.
Shame I can't add pictures I could show you my Boditrax BMR from 1575 to 1620. Muscle mass from 51.8kg to 53.5kg. I exercise 5 days a week. HIIT cardio with wieghts and Plyometrics.
That's a change in hydration not muscle.
Those machines measure electrical resistance in your body, they can't actually measure your body composition let alone BMR.
I have some that tell me I'm 33% BF.
There's a separate measurement for hydration.1 -
Treadmillmom1st wrote: »Treadmillmom1st wrote: »Treadmillmom1st wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Are you perhaps thinking of overexercising and undernourishing contributing to a lowering of thyroid function?
No. I'm thinking by increasing my muscle mass I'll increase my Basal Metabolic Rate...which I've done successfully in the last 30 days...just gotta maintain over the next 30 years lol.
You won't have increased your muscle mass in any significant way in 30 days!
And muscle uses a very small amount of calories per day to maintain itself (c. 6 cals per pound per day).
You would be doing well to add 10lbs of muscle in a year to add 60 cals to your BMR.
There's many good reasons to add muscle of course but you need to be realistic.
Shame I can't add pictures I could show you my Boditrax BMR from 1575 to 1620. Muscle mass from 51.8kg to 53.5kg. I exercise 5 days a week. HIIT cardio with wieghts and Plyometrics.
That's a change in hydration not muscle.
Those machines measure electrical resistance in your body, they can't actually measure your body composition let alone BMR.
I have some that tell me I'm 33% BF.
There's a separate measurement for hydration.
Yeah - but it's almost definitely inaccurate, too. IOW: ignore the readings completely.2 -
My (treated) hypothyroidism didn't cause any unusual difficulty in weight loss or weight maintenance compared to people with normal thyroid function, as far as I can see. And I've been very active for just slightly less time (15 years) than I've been hyothyroid (16 years), and never had any particular difficulty getting stronger or fitter. Y'know, except having to work for it.
A few years into treatment, when I needed a dosage adjustment, one of the symptoms was a small effect on weight management, but once the dose adjustment was made, I was back to normal in a few weeks.
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In your case better to go to doctor for medical examination. I had the same problem after weight loss and fitness trainings. I went to the private clinic with new medical equipment like this https://bimedis.com/search/search-items/endoscopy-equipment and had some medical tests. Also doctor prescribe me some treatment course.-1
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Treadmillmom1st wrote: »Treadmillmom1st wrote: »Treadmillmom1st wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Are you perhaps thinking of overexercising and undernourishing contributing to a lowering of thyroid function?
No. I'm thinking by increasing my muscle mass I'll increase my Basal Metabolic Rate...which I've done successfully in the last 30 days...just gotta maintain over the next 30 years lol.
You won't have increased your muscle mass in any significant way in 30 days!
And muscle uses a very small amount of calories per day to maintain itself (c. 6 cals per pound per day).
You would be doing well to add 10lbs of muscle in a year to add 60 cals to your BMR.
There's many good reasons to add muscle of course but you need to be realistic.
Shame I can't add pictures I could show you my Boditrax BMR from 1575 to 1620. Muscle mass from 51.8kg to 53.5kg. I exercise 5 days a week. HIIT cardio with wieghts and Plyometrics.
That's a change in hydration not muscle.
Those machines measure electrical resistance in your body, they can't actually measure your body composition let alone BMR.
I have some that tell me I'm 33% BF.
There's a separate measurement for hydration.
It may give you a separate number but that's not the same as measurement.
Measurement would require dissection. Which is a trifle extreme!
All body composition estimation methods have a range of inaccuracy and your method has a very wide range of inaccuracy.3 -
Treadmillmom1st wrote: »Thank you all for your responses, it's been insightful. I've decided to invest my hard earned cash on the suite of thyroid blood tests, I may be opening a can of worms as I may not necessarily be able to afford the drugs, but we'll see.Treadmillmom1st wrote: »
You've been diagnosed and it's being treated, but you have not yet had bloodwork done and may not be able to afford the meds?
So which is it, you've been tested/treated, or not? Who diagnosed you if you have not had the tests done?1 -
FYI levothyroxine is pretty cheap - 30 days supply runs ~15-60 USD depending on brand and potency. If you are not insured every branded label manufacturer has an income based plan for those with limited income.1
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Treadmillmom1st wrote: »Hi guys. I need your opinion. I have for the last 7 years taken great care of my body through a combination of cardio and strength training and a balanced diet, I couldn't be happier with my physique.
I was upset to be recently diagnosed with Hypothyroidism.
I've heard weight increase to be an unavoidable side effect so have upped my exercise intensity and successfully upped my muscle mass, reduced my fat mass thus increasing my basal metabolic rate.
Good eh? No, if you believe what you read online.
Apparently strength and cardio training by nature damage the body forcing repair (catabolic), but is apparently harmful if you have Hypothyroidism.
WTF.
What are your thoughts?
I gained weight when I was first diagnosed. They took out half my thyroid and put me on synthroid. I lost 10 pounds almost right away and was pretty thin afterwards. ( this is back when I was a teenager) ... today I'm 27 and at a health weight. I'm very thankful for the surgery.
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From a shear physics standpoint, how can you gain weight if your body doesn't have the resources to create the fat in the first place? I imagine for people with thyroid issues the calorie number will change, but ultimately the CICO process is foolproof once you find the right balance. You can't get fatter if your body doesn't have anything with which to build the fat.3
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asviles - that's all you know. People who are dealing with Hashimoto's thyroiditis, who are dealing with the acquired digestive and related issues are far beyond the cico level of taking care of themselves. It messes with the metabolism and the longer you have it without help the worse it gets. I've seen some who gain on 900c even doing exercise! It messes with the metabolism, big time!
Few are who are hypo due to dietary insufficiency unless they have tried to stick to cico under those recommended here in the mistaken belief cico is king for years, or the best part of a life time. Being hypo from a surgical intervention is very different to having Hashimoto's which is an autoimmune problem. The immune system mistakes by molecule mimicry, scientific term, the fragments of food which make their way into the blood stream from the digestive tract as alien but these fragments can be mistaken for thyroid tissue, so not only does the immune system try to wipe out the invaders but also one's thyroid gland with these antibodies. It is also possible for other tissues to be the subject of attack. The foods which prompt antibody production may also set up food intolerances, as can the loss of digestive enzymes because of vitamin and mineral deficiencies due to compromised digestion and absorption of foods!
Here in the UK Doctors are not permitted to test for antibodies as a matter of course, the powers that be see no reason to eliminate these antibodies. They also do not accept Hashimoto's presents with NORMAL thyroid numbers, which is why many people end up needing more than t4 supplements.
I recently discovered levothyroxine restricts if not blocks the production of DAO histaminase, its essential for the elimination of histamine, I have not found the base science for this, this search engine would see it very low priority against the simple stuff. This is important to me because due to me thyroid condition, I'm now histamine intolerant which is often a parallel problem with the hashimoto's, there are many others when you scrape the surface of thyroid related problems. The longer one struggles with your symptoms the more issues you can have.
You may believe thyroid problems are a code for, "can't be bothered to count calories", it is far from it there are many, who are searching for the right combination to help, right now going low carb is looking good, not anything like keto, thank goodness. For many its a life sentence.
Good luck - asvilles - I really hope you never fall fowl of anything thyroid, only then will you know the problems.10 -
From a shear physics standpoint, how can you gain weight if your body doesn't have the resources to create the fat in the first place? I imagine for people with thyroid issues the calorie number will change, but ultimately the CICO process is foolproof once you find the right balance. You can't get fatter if your body doesn't have anything with which to build the fat.
Precisely.
Thyroid has minimal impact on metabolism itself (~5% to Resting Energy Expenditure). What this does is have a massive impact on appetite and satiety triggers, so the untreated tend to eat much more and never feel "full".3
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