Switched from coffee to green tea!
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In-n-Out is a fast food burger joint that originated on the left coast and is spreading from there to the east. Decent burger and fries but will never replace Whataburger for me.1
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I like decaf green tea with honey before bed on cold days... But it's never gonna replace coffee.1
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KeithWhiteJr wrote: »KeithWhiteJr wrote: »jaimestewart1980 wrote: »One huge nutritional change I have made recently is to stop drinking coffee. I personally like my coffee with heavy 18% cream and two tsp of sugar, a 'double double' as we say in Canada. Sometimes I would drink 2 or 3 a day and it really adds up. Now I have changed over to green tea and its way better not only because I can add honey to it but because it counts towards my daily water intake. Cutting cream out is paying off in how I feel during the day (and I don't have dairy issues at all it's just that it is so fattening). Also no refined white sugar is an ideal situation nutritionally. All of that combined with the health benefits of green tea as an antioxidant made it an easy choice. I've been off coffee for 3 weeks now and I would recommend everyone try it! Feel free to add me.
Why would I try it?? I drink my coffee black, so its like 2 calories anyway. And why is the term "Double Double" exclusive to Canada?
Because in the Southwestern U.S., a "Double Double" is a delicious burger from In-N-Out Burger. Two beef patties, two slices of cheese. And it has no sugar, cream or Manuka honey.
Whats In-N-Out Burger??? We don't have that here in the Northeastern part of the U.S. where I live, but, we do have "Double Double" coffee at Tim Horton's.
http://www.in-n-out.com/menu.aspx#doubledouble
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jaimestewart1980 wrote: »Green teas count toward water intake but black teas and coffee don't. That's what my naturopath told me.
Well that's just silly...3 -
ladyhusker39 wrote: »jaimestewart1980 wrote: »Green teas count toward water intake but black teas and coffee don't. That's what my naturopath told me.
Well that's just silly...
I agree,guess my bladder is confused by the black tea I drink a lot of lol2 -
jaimestewart1980 wrote: »Green teas count toward water intake but black teas and coffee don't. That's what my naturopath told me.
I think that was accepted about coffee until recently. Have seen this reported elsewhere also.0 -
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I drink coffee and black/green tea w/o ever adding anything to them.
They taste fine that way to me, purportedly have certain health benefits and contribute to hydration.
Incredibly, they replaced sodas and beer as my beverages of choice when I started my current weight loss journey.
Untold cals have been saved. Haven't touched a soda since but I'll still drink a brew or 2 when I have the cals available.
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I've changed my coffee drinking a week ago...I stopped using creamer & either drink it black or put some of my low fat almond milk in it, but I'm always tempted to buy more. I drink green tea every day & usually put some in my drinking water for flavor, nothing added to it0
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I'm not a huge fan of black coffee but I drink it while fasting.
Drinking black coffee makes the difference between good coffee and lousy coffee very evident. You can hide the taste of lousy coffee with creamers.
I don't use expensive coffee, just Folgers or similar. What makes quite a difference to me is the coffee/water ratio and drinking the coffee soon after making it.
If too much or too little coffee/water is used or the coffee sits around for too long the taste is not good. If you drink it black you notice the difference.0 -
Interesting discussion, lots of great info, thanks!0
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I go through phases in my life where I absolutely adore coffee and then suddenly go off the taste of it.
I'm in one of my off phases right now.
Usually, during those off phases, I drink black tea, because I think green tea tastes like grass clippings.
I did that for a while, and then I went off the taste of black tea.
I'm now drinking brewing chocolate in the morning, which is a really delicious drink. It's a bit expensive, but it's like next level hot chocolate for grown ups without too many calories. Bitter, dark, hot chocolate. It's seriously tasty. More like a chocolate tea than anything. I love it. It's 40 calories for a French press full and I get two brews out of each pile of grounds I use.
It has magnesium in it, but meh. I'm already on magnesium supplementation for my migraine protocol so I don't care about that. All I care about is a tasty, low calorie source of chocolate flavor. It's also a very filling afternoon snack or dessert when I don't have calories at the end of the day for anything else.3 -
My other post didnt go through. I have read about some antioxidant and antibacterial/viral properties of Manuka honey but dont know how definitive the research is. Anecdotally, my sister gets a lot of tonsil infections and taking manuka honey daily helped her. I love honey. I got some wild thorn honey in Greece last year that is amazing.2
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My other post didnt go through. I have read about some antioxidant and antibacterial/viral properties of Manuka honey but dont know how definitive the research is. Anecdotally, my sister gets a lot of tonsil infections and taking manuka honey daily helped her. I love honey. I got some wild thorn honey in Greece last year that is amazing.
Honey contains both polyphenols and isoflavones (antioxidants that are also found in coffee and tea) and most types of honey (like manuka) generate hydrogen peroxide when diluted, because of the activation of the enzyme glucose oxidase that oxidizes glucose to gluconic acid and H2O2.
Honey also has a low PH (acidic) which can help against certain strains of bacteria like h.pylori and staph and can act as a thick barrier when applied to wounds to prevent infection.
The unfortunate thing is that most of it's antibacterial properties come from the fact that honey produces hydrogen peroxide. But this is easily destroyed by heat or the enzyme catalase which (you guessed it) catalyzes hydrogen peroxide into hydrogen and oxygen. So people adding it to their tea and/or coffee are likely negating the effects due to heat.
But you're right, some honeys like manuka honey contain compounds which protect the H2O2 from being catalyzed by the enzyme catalase so it can be particularly effective when taken orally or applied topically. edit: i mean at room temp obviously, it still isn't good to use in hot drinks.
Regardless, i stand by my initial point that it is not inherently "better" to use honey as opposed to regular sucrose or any of the other sugars out there as they contain the same amount of energy and calorie balance is more important than the individual compounds found in each and every food out there. This is how we start to run into the concept of "super foods".6 -
I love my coffee, which I have one cup to start off my morning.... As much as I like tea also and know of its benefits, I know coffee has benefits also.. I tend to use very little cream and sugar0
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jaimestewart1980 wrote: »Green teas count toward water intake but black teas and coffee don't. That's what my naturopath told me.
Green tea contains caffeine and is just as much a diuretic as black teas. So, no, it does not possesses the super power reported of being a water equivalent whilst black tea is not.
Manuka honey is good for one thing; it is a great biologic wound dressing. http://www.woundsresearch.com/article/honey-biologic-wound-dressing2 -
grinning_chick wrote: »jaimestewart1980 wrote: »Green teas count toward water intake but black teas and coffee don't. That's what my naturopath told me.
Green tea contains caffeine and is just as much a diuretic as black teas. So, no, it does not possesses the super power reported of being a water equivalent whilst black tea is not.
Which is to say, basically no more diuretic than plain water.
http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/12187618The literature indicates that caffeine consumption stimulates a mild diuresis similar to water, but there is no evidence of a fluid-electrolyte imbalance that is detrimental to exercise performance or health. Investigations comparing caffeine (100-680 mg) to water or placebo seldom found a statistical difference in urine volume. In the 10 studies reviewed, consumption of a CB resulted in 0-84% retention of the initial volume ingested, whereas consumption of water resulted in 0-81% retention.8 -
So many doctors and PhDs on this thread.8
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jaimestewart1980 wrote: »So many doctors and PhDs on this thread.
The desire to "believe" in something in strong in man.
I have bought my share of magical supplements in the past.
It's just about all marketing BS though.
Don't feel too bad about getting suckered. It happens to us all.5 -
jaimestewart1980 wrote: »So many doctors and PhDs on this thread.
Could you show us some scientific proof that shows that Manuka honey has benefits when consumed, or that there is some benefit to replacing coffee with tea? Instead of just dismissing? I looked online and couldn't find anything.
And there are actually a fair number of veteran posters here who are medical and research professionals.4 -
jaimestewart1980 wrote: »So many doctors and PhDs on this thread.
Could you show us some scientific proof that shows that Manuka honey has benefits when consumed, or that there is some benefit to replacing coffee with tea? Instead of just dismissing? I looked online and couldn't find anything.
And there are actually a fair number of veteran posters here who are medical and research professionals.
asked a similar question up thread and never got an answer4 -
jaimestewart1980 wrote: »So many doctors and PhDs on this thread.
Could you show us some scientific proof that shows that Manuka honey has benefits when consumed, or that there is some benefit to replacing coffee with tea? Instead of just dismissing? I looked online and couldn't find anything.
And there are actually a fair number of veteran posters here who are medical and research professionals.
I mean, I spoke briefly about the scientific reason manuka honey can be beneficial when ingested (at room temp).
Do I need to supply studies for that?
As for the comment about doctors or phds... are you promoting anti-intellectualism now? LOL2 -
jaimestewart1980 wrote: »So many doctors and PhDs on this thread.
Surely that's better than if the thread was full of numpty-o-paths?7 -
All honey has antibacterial properties, it doesn't have to be the fancy kind. While there is an additional chemical in manuka honey which has antibacterial properties when isolated in a lab, there's little evidence it does anything as part of honey.
In additional, more than 90% of what's sold as manuka honey is counterfeit, since ten times as much is sold as is harvested.4 -
just wanted to say I replaced my coffee with tea and nothing has happened(didnt expect it to), except I drink less calories due to having tea and not having to add sugar or flavorings like I did with my coffee. oh and less stomach issues due to my gastritis. but I can drink cold coffee with no issues. my health markers have remained the same no matter which one I drink. as for honey I dont use manuka but do use raw honey made in my area and again, not noticing anything different except less allergy issues(which i did read if you use local honey it will help build immunities to some pollens,could also be a placebo effect)0
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jaimestewart1980 wrote: »Green teas count toward water intake but black teas and coffee don't. That's what my naturopath told me.
Why?? Don't you make coffee with water, just like you make green tea with water?!3 -
jaimestewart1980 wrote: »Green teas count toward water intake but black teas and coffee don't. That's what my naturopath told me.
Your naturopath is less full of feces than previously because your naturopath dumped a steaming load of your naturopath's brain-feces into your brain.4 -
JeromeBarry1 wrote: »jaimestewart1980 wrote: »Green teas count toward water intake but black teas and coffee don't. That's what my naturopath told me.
Your naturopath is less full of feces than previously because your naturopath dumped a steaming load of your naturopath's brain-feces into your brain.
I imagine saying that after a few glasses of wine would be fun
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I just Googled Manuka honey to see what all the fuss was about - that stuff will cure just about everything - better get some - Eastcoast Jim0
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