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Aaron_K123 wrote: »Yeah I'll just say without experience or a lot of knowledge of all the options and why people would opt to do something like this it is probably better that I don't weigh in. I'll admit I don't understand how surgery is a fix to the underlying issues rather than the symptoms, but that is okay this isn't about me understanding it is about you seeking advice from people who might have suggestions that do understand your situation. Since that isn't me I probably shouldn't have said anything so if I made you uncomfortable at all my apologies.
The OP hasn't been weighing in. I'm someone who is commenting alongside this post.
Perhaps the problem is that you're trying to understand the actual surgery as a solution for the underlying issues. It isn't intended to be. It's not marketed as such. Surgeons don't say it will be. It truly, literally is a way to address the "symptom" of obesity. It is the training and surrounding therapies that address the underlying issue. The physical imposition of surgical alteration is simply a means to restrict and to cause rapid weight reduction, something that is unsafe without medical guidance and is unlikely to occur without medical assistance through diet and exercise alone.
That is why they make you go through all the training and everything. It's basically a two-fold situation. They help with the immediate problem (the weight) through surgery and give you the limitation to help reinforce the tools that are being taught so that it can be enduring. It's literally no different than signing up to another program for guided weight loss. If you don't invest and take the time to learn, you end up starting again. The concept structure is the same as just about every weight reduction program out there, so I'm not sure why this is hard to conceptualize.
The problem is ultimately thinking that is has to be one or the other in regards to treating symptoms and treating underlying causes. It addresses both, if you do the protocol the way you're supposed to.
If you rely on just the physical change of surgery alone, you will fail. They state this pretty clearly in every piece of literature, and my surgeon said it straight to my face. The surgery does not fix the whole issue. It only impacts the body... It is up to you to push forward with treating the habits, with learning nutrition and seeking counseling for emotional barriers.
Could you do this without surgery? Of course. What makes you think we didn't try? Some of us spent years and years doing it the "traditional" way and saw such limited progress that becoming that coveted success story just wasn't part of our story. As I stated in a previous comment, you literally have to have historical documentation that traditional means of weight loss were ineffective or failed entirely. Surgery is never the first choice, it's the last.5 -
I haven't had WLS but I believe that it is just one tool, though a helpful one I am sure to lose weight. Your mind, if you have a binge eating disorder, will still be the same. If doesn't change your brain. How often are people eating when they are not hungry in general? JMHO0
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »Yeah I'll just say without experience or a lot of knowledge of all the options and why people would opt to do something like this it is probably better that I don't weigh in. I'll admit I don't understand how surgery is a fix to the underlying issues rather than the symptoms, but that is okay this isn't about me understanding it is about you seeking advice from people who might have suggestions that do understand your situation. Since that isn't me I probably shouldn't have said anything so if I made you uncomfortable at all my apologies.
The OP hasn't been weighing in. I'm someone who is commenting alongside this post.
Perhaps the problem is that you're trying to understand the actual surgery as a solution for the underlying issues. It isn't intended to be. It's not marketed as such. Surgeons don't say it will be. It truly, literally is a way to address the "symptom" of obesity. It is the training and surrounding therapies that address the underlying issue. The physical imposition of surgical alteration is simply a means to restrict and to cause rapid weight reduction, something that is unsafe without medical guidance and is unlikely to occur without medical assistance through diet and exercise alone.
That is why they make you go through all the training and everything. It's basically a two-fold situation. They help with the immediate problem (the weight) through surgery and give you the limitation to help reinforce the tools that are being taught so that it can be enduring. It's literally no different than signing up to another program for guided weight loss. If you don't invest and take the time to learn, you end up starting again. The concept structure is the same as just about every weight reduction program out there, so I'm not sure why this is hard to conceptualize.
The problem is ultimately thinking that is has to be one or the other in regards to treating symptoms and treating underlying causes. It addresses both, if you do the protocol the way you're supposed to.
If you rely on just the physical change of surgery alone, you will fail. They state this pretty clearly in every piece of literature, and my surgeon said it straight to my face. The surgery does not fix the whole issue. It only impacts the body... It is up to you to push forward with treating the habits, with learning nutrition and seeking counseling for emotional barriers.
Could you do this without surgery? Of course. What makes you think we didn't try? Some of us spent years and years doing it the "traditional" way and saw such limited progress that becoming that coveted success story just wasn't part of our story. As I stated in a previous comment, you literally have to have historical documentation that traditional means of weight loss were ineffective or failed entirely. Surgery is never the first choice, it's the last.
Okay so now I am confused again. Based on what you said here in what way do you actually disagree with what I said? I was saying that the weight loss surgery itself doesn't prepare you for maintenance and if you opted to have surgery you clearly struggled with eating in a way that allowed you to lose weight consistently. That eventually you would have to come to terms with the underlying issues surrounding your weight gain or you won't be able to maintain after surgery. Based on what you said here it seems to me like you agree with all of that.
I was just telling the OP that her focus should be on learning the tools necessary that are used for weight loss (calorie counting, meal prep, figuring out ones TDEE) since they are also used for controlled maintenance. I was adding that I assumed if she opted for surgery she hadn't quite gotten a handle on those yet because if she had the surgery would not have been necessary. So what about that do you disagree with?
As for the OP not weighing in I understand that I just chose to apologize to the OP if I at all offended them because your posts did rightfully point out I don't have experience or full understanding of all that goes along with weightloss surgery. The OP was the one asking for advice not you so I apologized to her.7 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Yeah I'll just say without experience or a lot of knowledge of all the options and why people would opt to do something like this it is probably better that I don't weigh in. I'll admit I don't understand how surgery is a fix to the underlying issues rather than the symptoms, but that is okay this isn't about me understanding it is about you seeking advice from people who might have suggestions that do understand your situation. Since that isn't me I probably shouldn't have said anything so if I made you uncomfortable at all my apologies.
I had gastric sleeve surgery. Before the thought of surgery even crossed my mind, I decided to seek therapy, because in my mind, it was not normal to be pushing 400 lbs. I knew I had to sort out my emotional issues before I could effectively sort out my weight issues. After a year of therapy, my doctor suggested surgery and I accepted for a couple of reasons. First, I was not only pushing 400 lbs, I was pushing 50, and I knew I wanted to spend the rest of my life in good health so I could enjoy it. Second, I felt surgery would get me out of danger and healthy faster than if I did it on my own. I was fully aware of the changes I would have to make with or without surgery, and I made that commitment. The surgery is just a tool for me, part of my checks and balances, but at this point, (I am just over 4 years post surgery), the work is the same as it would be for anyone else. I watch what I eat, monitor my calories and macros, and exercise regularly. I still have almost all the restriction I had since the beginning, and not being able to eat large quantities of food does help me some days, as does my intolerance for certain foods. Losing the weight rather quickly was extremely motivating for me, and now my motivation is my health, happiness, and awesome quality of life that surgery helped me achieve.
ETA - @Aaron_K123 I appreciate you acknowledging that you don't have a lot of knowledge on this subject. I've seen a lot of people on these boards with lots of opinions based on zero experience on the subject.6 -
What lovely, articulate responses. I had the bypass. Not mentioned very often is that the re-circuiting of the bowels results in permanent metabolic changes. Including how ghrelin is released in to my system. I had immediate remission of my diabetes symptoms for instance. Some of it was because of the weight loss, but some of it is because of the surgery. Why this happens is not fully understood.
Meals are about the same as all my diabetic training, only smaller. Three years out I can eat about 3/4 of what someone else would consider a decent portion. I do not drink at meals; it's one or the other. Eat a variety of foods at each meal. I do not handle soft breads well so I've switched to coarse breads like sourdoughs or rye. Some post bariatric patients never do tolerate bread.
How do you sabotage the surgery? Calorie dense foods eaten frequently.10 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Yeah I'll just say without experience or a lot of knowledge of all the options and why people would opt to do something like this it is probably better that I don't weigh in. I'll admit I don't understand how surgery is a fix to the underlying issues rather than the symptoms, but that is okay this isn't about me understanding it is about you seeking advice from people who might have suggestions that do understand your situation. Since that isn't me I probably shouldn't have said anything so if I made you uncomfortable at all my apologies.
I had gastric sleeve surgery. Before the thought of surgery even crossed my mind, I decided to seek therapy, because in my mind, it was not normal to be pushing 400 lbs. I knew I had to sort out my emotional issues before I could effectively sort out my weight issues. After a year of therapy, my doctor suggested surgery and I accepted for a couple of reasons. First, I was not only pushing 400 lbs, I was pushing 50, and I knew I wanted to spend the rest of my life in good health so I could enjoy it. Second, I felt surgery would get me out of danger and healthy faster than if I did it on my own. I was fully aware of the changes I would have to make with or without surgery, and I made that commitment. The surgery is just a tool for me, part of my checks and balances, but at this point, (I am just over 4 years post surgery), the work is the same as it would be for anyone else. I watch what I eat, monitor my calories and macros, and exercise regularly. I still have almost all the restriction I had since the beginning, and not being able to eat large quantities of food does help me some days, as does my intolerance for certain foods. Losing the weight rather quickly was extremely motivating for me, and now my motivation is my health, happiness, and awesome quality of life that surgery helped me achieve.
ETA - @Aaron_K123 I appreciate you acknowledging that you don't have a lot of knowledge on this subject. I've seen a lot of people on these boards with lots of opinions based on zero experience on the subject.
I realize I risk being unfair and disrespectful by saying the things I am saying. I do firmly believe that unless one learns the skills necessary to maintain ones weight that one will put the weight back on. That those skills are the exact same skills that allow one to lose weight through caloric restriction. That surgery is not a solution to the problem, it is a way of addressing the symptoms as fast as possible in order to avoid catastrophic health failure due to morbid obesity. I feel like although I don't know anything about the specifics of weight loss surgery I can still understand its general purpose and what it can and what it cannot do for you. It can make you lose weight rapidly, it cannot teach you the skills necessary to maintain your weight over time. I think that is a statement most if not all people would agree with.
I wasn't trying to insult anyone I just wanted to emphasize that surgery itself is not training for maintenance and that training for maintenance takes a lot of time and personal experience attempting to eat a set number of calories related to ones needs. I was suggesting that someone who lost weight through caloric restriction would have been training themselves on those methods all along while someone who lost weight via surgery would not have been doing so (they may have read lots about it or thought lots about it but they weren't actively doing it). I was trying to state that learning how to eat while having had gastric surgery does not teach you how to eat after you recover from the surgery in the same way that learning how to eat while being on appetite suppressants does not teach you how to eat when you come back off of the suppressants. That someone coming off of weight loss surgery is likely going to have to put in just as much effort as someone just starting a diet in terms of learning how to control their weight.
If that is not at all the experience of people who actually had the surgeries then I guess I have to admit having not had it myself nor done much research into the topic perhaps I am way off base. I respect that those who have underwent the surgery have a perspective I do not have and they would be better positioned to provide advice.10 -
@Aaron_K123 I wasn't trying to call you out, I just wanted to share my perspective and acknowledge that I do think you are being respectful about the situation and I appreciate that.4
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I wasn't trying to call you out, I just wanted to share my perspective and acknowledge that I do think you are being respectful about the situation and I appreciate that.
Understood and thank you, I was just trying to explain myself further but I think I'm probably just repeating myself. I am glad it came across that I was trying to be careful to be respectful and recognize I may not have all the information.
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What lovely, articulate responses. I had the bypass. Not mentioned very often is that the re-circuiting of the bowels results in permanent metabolic changes. Including how ghrelin is released in to my system. I had immediate remission of my diabetes symptoms for instance. Some of it was because of the weight loss, but some of it is because of the surgery. Why this happens is not fully understood.
Meals are about the same as all my diabetic training, only smaller. Three years out I can eat about 3/4 of what someone else would consider a decent portion. I do not drink at meals; it's one or the other. Eat a variety of foods at each meal. I do not handle soft breads well so I've switched to coarse breads like sourdoughs or rye. Some post bariatric patients never do tolerate bread.
How do you sabotage the surgery? Calorie dense foods eaten frequently.
I really feel like you're the "go-to" for wls on this site. It sucks seeing people go through such drastic measures and not be successful. You're a great example of using the tool properly. The best hammer won't get up and build a deck by itself. It takes someone with the right skills, education, quality materials, and a commitment to getting the job done.
I hope the OP understands that they can always brush up on their skills, pick that hammer back up and get the job done.10 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »
Okay so now I am confused again. Based on what you said here in what way do you actually disagree with what I said? I was saying that the weight loss surgery itself doesn't prepare you for maintenance and if you opted to have surgery you clearly struggled with eating in a way that allowed you to lose weight consistently. That eventually you would have to come to terms with the underlying issues surrounding your weight gain or you won't be able to maintain after surgery. Based on what you said here it seems to me like you agree with all of that.
I was just telling the OP that her focus should be on learning the tools necessary that are used for weight loss (calorie counting, meal prep, figuring out ones TDEE) since they are also used for controlled maintenance. I was adding that I assumed if she opted for surgery she hadn't quite gotten a handle on those yet because if she had the surgery would not have been necessary. So what about that do you disagree with?
As for the OP not weighing in I understand that I just chose to apologize to the OP if I at all offended them because your posts did rightfully point out I don't have experience or full understanding of all that goes along with weightloss surgery. The OP was the one asking for advice not you so I apologized to her.
I disagree with the continued, underlying assumption that a person would opt for surgery because they have not gotten a handle on the tools necessary for weight loss and controlled maintenance. It's really incredibly assumptive and closed-minded, and for someone that has repeatedly stated he knows nothing about the process, it also comes off as insulting. A decent % of surgery recipients have proven successful adherence and small success in traditional CICO and that's precisely why they are considered optimal candidates for surgical intervention. You talk about it like a person just walks in and says "I'm fat, please fix me cuz I can't do it myself." when the reality of the situation is, patients walk in saying "I know I need professional help that is beyond my capacity to manage on my own, please help me be a healthier person." That management is NOT about eating habits exclusively, though for some it might be. In fact, if you struggle with compulsive eating disorder, have had uncontrollable binges, stuff like that? You don't get to do surgery.
A person cannot be successful with surgery without willpower, perseverance and dedication. PERIOD.
No, a patient didn't "clearly struggle with eating in a way that allowed you to lose weight consistently." There are many established medical reasons why surgery becomes a part of the equation, and not all surgical candidates are incapable of monitoring their food intake. Many candidates are doing it because all traditional methods are failing and thus, employing the changes to digestion (which again, nothing to do with eating style and you cannot do this without surgery) is what propels the weight loss more than anything. It's not a "clear" indication of struggling to adhere to a plan. It's a clear indication that more aggressive tactics are needed than plugging into a calculator and counting estimated calories.
I've repeatedly stated that there is more to it than restriction from a physical standpoint, and frankly, I'm not going to continue repeating myself.
Your initial message to OP was that your problem with it is that WLS does not provide a method that is sustainable for a lifetime of success. That's the very first thing you said in this thread. THAT, I have a problem with. I've yet to meet a recipient, other than those that travel to Mexico for elective procedures, that did not go through a rigorous and thorough education program and at least 2 years of medical monitoring. It's a serious, lifelong, life-altering procedure and I'm tired of people acting like it's for the lazy and those that can't control themselves... because the reality is? If you are considered lazy and unable to control yourself, you'll be disqualified as a candidate for surgery.
Now, please, go educate yourself on the subject. Thanks14 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »
Okay so now I am confused again. Based on what you said here in what way do you actually disagree with what I said? I was saying that the weight loss surgery itself doesn't prepare you for maintenance and if you opted to have surgery you clearly struggled with eating in a way that allowed you to lose weight consistently. That eventually you would have to come to terms with the underlying issues surrounding your weight gain or you won't be able to maintain after surgery. Based on what you said here it seems to me like you agree with all of that.
I was just telling the OP that her focus should be on learning the tools necessary that are used for weight loss (calorie counting, meal prep, figuring out ones TDEE) since they are also used for controlled maintenance. I was adding that I assumed if she opted for surgery she hadn't quite gotten a handle on those yet because if she had the surgery would not have been necessary. So what about that do you disagree with?
As for the OP not weighing in I understand that I just chose to apologize to the OP if I at all offended them because your posts did rightfully point out I don't have experience or full understanding of all that goes along with weightloss surgery. The OP was the one asking for advice not you so I apologized to her.
I disagree with the continued, underlying assumption that a person would opt for surgery because they have not gotten a handle on the tools necessary for weight loss and controlled maintenance. It's really incredibly assumptive and closed-minded, and for someone that has repeatedly stated he knows nothing about the process, it also comes off as insulting. A decent % of surgery recipients have proven successful adherence and small success in traditional CICO and that's precisely why they are considered optimal candidates for surgical intervention. You talk about it like a person just walks in and says "I'm fat, please fix me cuz I can't do it myself." when the reality of the situation is, patients walk in saying "I know I need professional help that is beyond my capacity to manage on my own, please help me be a healthier person." That management is NOT about eating habits exclusively, though for some it might be. In fact, if you struggle with compulsive eating disorder, have had uncontrollable binges, stuff like that? You don't get to do surgery.
A person cannot be successful with surgery without willpower, perseverance and dedication. PERIOD.
No, a patient didn't "clearly struggle with eating in a way that allowed you to lose weight consistently." There are many established medical reasons why surgery becomes a part of the equation, and not all surgical candidates are incapable of monitoring their food intake. Many candidates are doing it because all traditional methods are failing and thus, employing the changes to digestion (which again, nothing to do with eating style and you cannot do this without surgery) is what propels the weight loss more than anything. It's not a "clear" indication of struggling to adhere to a plan. It's a clear indication that more aggressive tactics are needed than plugging into a calculator and counting estimated calories.
I've repeatedly stated that there is more to it than restriction from a physical standpoint, and frankly, I'm not going to continue repeating myself.
Your initial message to OP was that your problem with it is that WLS does not provide a method that is sustainable for a lifetime of success. That's the very first thing you said in this thread. THAT, I have a problem with. I've yet to meet a recipient, other than those that travel to Mexico for elective procedures, that did not go through a rigorous and thorough education program and at least 2 years of medical monitoring. It's a serious, lifelong, life-altering procedure and I'm tired of people acting like it's for the lazy and those that can't control themselves... because the reality is? If you are considered lazy and unable to control yourself, you'll be disqualified as a candidate for surgery.
Now, please, go educate yourself on the subject. Thanks
You know, I understand the defensive tone in your post because as a surgery patient I have felt defensive at times too, but @Aaron_K123 is not trying to be offensive in any way and he admittedly isn't an expert on the subject of WLS. He's trying to understand. I think a better approach might be to share experiences openly and respectfully, because one really great way people can "go educate" themselves is if people with experience share and have open, respectful dialogue.17 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »
Okay so now I am confused again. Based on what you said here in what way do you actually disagree with what I said? I was saying that the weight loss surgery itself doesn't prepare you for maintenance and if you opted to have surgery you clearly struggled with eating in a way that allowed you to lose weight consistently. That eventually you would have to come to terms with the underlying issues surrounding your weight gain or you won't be able to maintain after surgery. Based on what you said here it seems to me like you agree with all of that.
I was just telling the OP that her focus should be on learning the tools necessary that are used for weight loss (calorie counting, meal prep, figuring out ones TDEE) since they are also used for controlled maintenance. I was adding that I assumed if she opted for surgery she hadn't quite gotten a handle on those yet because if she had the surgery would not have been necessary. So what about that do you disagree with?
As for the OP not weighing in I understand that I just chose to apologize to the OP if I at all offended them because your posts did rightfully point out I don't have experience or full understanding of all that goes along with weightloss surgery. The OP was the one asking for advice not you so I apologized to her.
I disagree with the continued, underlying assumption that a person would opt for surgery because they have not gotten a handle on the tools necessary for weight loss and controlled maintenance. It's really incredibly assumptive and closed-minded, and for someone that has repeatedly stated he knows nothing about the process, it also comes off as insulting. A decent % of surgery recipients have proven successful adherence and small success in traditional CICO and that's precisely why they are considered optimal candidates for surgical intervention. You talk about it like a person just walks in and says "I'm fat, please fix me cuz I can't do it myself." when the reality of the situation is, patients walk in saying "I know I need professional help that is beyond my capacity to manage on my own, please help me be a healthier person." That management is NOT about eating habits exclusively, though for some it might be. In fact, if you struggle with compulsive eating disorder, have had uncontrollable binges, stuff like that? You don't get to do surgery.
A person cannot be successful with surgery without willpower, perseverance and dedication. PERIOD.
No, a patient didn't "clearly struggle with eating in a way that allowed you to lose weight consistently." There are many established medical reasons why surgery becomes a part of the equation, and not all surgical candidates are incapable of monitoring their food intake. Many candidates are doing it because all traditional methods are failing and thus, employing the changes to digestion (which again, nothing to do with eating style and you cannot do this without surgery) is what propels the weight loss more than anything. It's not a "clear" indication of struggling to adhere to a plan. It's a clear indication that more aggressive tactics are needed than plugging into a calculator and counting estimated calories.
I've repeatedly stated that there is more to it than restriction from a physical standpoint, and frankly, I'm not going to continue repeating myself.
Your initial message to OP was that your problem with it is that WLS does not provide a method that is sustainable for a lifetime of success. That's the very first thing you said in this thread. THAT, I have a problem with. I've yet to meet a recipient, other than those that travel to Mexico for elective procedures, that did not go through a rigorous and thorough education program and at least 2 years of medical monitoring. It's a serious, lifelong, life-altering procedure and I'm tired of people acting like it's for the lazy and those that can't control themselves... because the reality is? If you are considered lazy and unable to control yourself, you'll be disqualified as a candidate for surgery.
Now, please, go educate yourself on the subject. Thanks
I am not trying to offend and I have offered numerous times now to walk away if I am offending people. If that is your wish just say so. It is hard for me to walk away if I keep being engaged though as I feel like I should respond if someone makes a post directed towards me.
I'm sorry but I do not think it is a huge leap to make the assumption that someone who is morbidly obese enough to require weight loss surgery does not have a lot of personal experience maintaining their weight. I also don't think it is unfair to assume that someone who is experienced in weight maintenance would not have required surgery because if they were maintaining their weight in the past then they at somepoint were at their desired weight and if they were skilled at weight maintenance they wouldn't have reached a point that would require surgery. Is it really that big of a logical leap to make to think that people who have reached a state of morbid obesity have some issues with weight maintenance? Not even to mention this is literally a post about how weight maintenance has been an issue for the OP.
To maintain your weight you have to be at a weight you wish to maintain. You talk about how important it is to have experience in a matter before addressing it. I would think that someone who is struggling to maintain their weight regardless of their circumstances would benefit from talking with people who have been long term successful in maintaining their weight. I agree I have nothing experientially to add to matters of weight loss surgery itself, but to the matter of weight maintenance the answers are the same regardless of the path you took to reach your goal weight.
If someone who had weight loss surgery wants to know how to maintain their weight the best person they could talk to would be a person who had weight loss surgery and then successfully maintained their goal weight long term. The second best person they could talk to would be a person who just managed to maintain their weight long term regardless of whether or not they had surgery. Talking to someone who had the surgery but did not maintain their weight would not be as useful. Experience here isn't all about the surgery. Experience with the surgery would be needed if the question was about the surgery.19 -
Full disclosure: I have not had this surgery. However, my SIL had it and my sister got the sleeve. Both committed to a strategy just to get to the surgery, and both regained. I am close to both, so I’ve watched their struggles. I see two issues: one excercises, but doesn’t work very hard at all at it, the other does not exercise much at all. Both eat appalling things. They’re both smart, educated women who both are complete victims of their compulsive overeating. (I am also a compulsive overeater, but get enough exercise to just be mildly obese rather than morbidly so. I get the issue totally). Now that they are limited in how and what they can eat, they actually feel MORE out of control than they did before surgery. And more failures.
I hope you can find some really supportive people who have had this surgery, had the regain, and tackled the underlying issues. It is a huge mountain to climb, and good companions will make it so much easier.
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I have not read all the comment but I glanced at a few. Why did I choose gastric bypass. Because I had yo yod my whole life I lost over 100 pounds on my own many time for it to come back. I was at the point where I had plantar fasciitis so bad I couldn't walk in the morning. My feet and legs hurts ALL day every day. One day I was laying in bed watching my 4 year old play alone outside and I knew something had to be done NOW. I went to a seminar and was presented with the "weight stays off" thing and went for it. I went from 330 to 199 in 7 months.
Life changed then. I started dating. Dating is what led to the weight creeping on. I regained 30 over the next 12 months. I met a man fell in love GOT COMFORTABLE. never shared my weight loss journey with him and accompanied him on fast food and restaurant trips almost nightly. little by little the weight came back. we got married I stopped caring about weight and before I knew it had gained 60 that year.
We are now trying to get back to healthy together but I wondered what effect my previous surgery would have.
I saw my dietician and was recommended 800-1000 calories and 100 g of protein a day.
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also I believe the biggest sabbatoge was alcohol. liquid calories0
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Yeah I'll just say without experience or a lot of knowledge of all the options and why people would opt to do something like this it is probably better that I don't weigh in. I'll admit I don't understand how surgery is a fix to the underlying issues rather than the symptoms, but that is okay this isn't about me understanding it is about you seeking advice from people who might have suggestions that do understand your situation. Since that isn't me I probably shouldn't have said anything so if I made you uncomfortable at all my apologies.
As for the OP not weighing in I understand that I just chose to apologize to the OP if I at all offended them because your posts did rightfully point out I don't have experience or full understanding of all that goes along with weightloss surgery. The OP was the one asking for advice not you so I apologized to her.
I don't get offended
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That's a lesson. Thank you for sharing. I'm interested in someone now and fortunately he's really thin and doesn't each much. There is no temptation when we go out. But I haven't mentioned I'm trying to lose. We aren't serious but if it does I will tell him. I haven't told anyone about my dieting except my mom.
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I have not read all the comment but I glanced at a few. Why did I choose gastric bypass. Because I had yo yod my whole life I lost over 100 pounds on my own many time for it to come back. I was at the point where I had plantar fasciitis so bad I couldn't walk in the morning. My feet and legs hurts ALL day every day. One day I was laying in bed watching my 4 year old play alone outside and I knew something had to be done NOW. I went to a seminar and was presented with the "weight stays off" thing and went for it. I went from 330 to 199 in 7 months.
Life changed then. I started dating. Dating is what led to the weight creeping on. I regained 30 over the next 12 months. I met a man fell in love GOT COMFORTABLE. never shared my weight loss journey with him and accompanied him on fast food and restaurant trips almost nightly. little by little the weight came back. we got married I stopped caring about weight and before I knew it had gained 60 that year.
We are now trying to get back to healthy together but I wondered what effect my previous surgery would have.
I saw my dietician and was recommended 800-1000 calories and 100 g of protein a day.
I get this totally. When I lost a ton of weight and started dating, I contemplated whether or not to share the fact that I had surgery. I decided to that in order to stay successful, I had to be honest about it. No one I dated had any issues with it, in fact, they were accommodating and supportive. If they weren't, that would have been a sign that they just weren't right for me.
I think part of the reason that there is a stigma attached to weight loss surgery is that not everyone is forthcoming about it so a lot of people don't understand what's really involved, the good, the bad, and the ugly. Also, people only tend to "hear" the negatives. It's natural to want to protect your privacy and not discuss it, but sometimes what we don't say contributes to that vicious circle of lack of knowledge, misunderstanding, judgment, uninformed opinions etc.
I lost 200 lbs and had about 30 lbs of regain. I am chipping away at that regain now by using MFP for tracking and going back to post - WLS basics. I also still attend support groups and therapy and do everything I can to keep myself focused. I know what to do. I still consider myself a total success, because I am super healthy, super happy, and my quality of life is awesome.
All that said, WLS or not, there is still a lot of work involved in getting and staying healthy, and personally, I like to keep an open mind and hear what others have to share, because I just might learn something :-)
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Life changed then. I started dating. Dating is what led to the weight creeping on. I regained 30 over the next 12 months. I met a man fell in love GOT COMFORTABLE. never shared my weight loss journey with him and accompanied him on fast food and restaurant trips almost nightly. little by little the weight came back. we got married I stopped caring about weight and before I knew it had gained 60 that year.
Frequent restaurant meals make it nearly impossible to maintain weight. Even when cutting it down to tiny portions, it'll still be a huge amount compared to eating at home -- since everything is made to taste as good as possible without regard to calories (so lots of added calories in the form of oils, butter, cream sauces, etc in unchecked quantities). Plus-Add in some table bread, wine, a restaurant-style dessert - and dear god the calories!7 -
I met the last few boyfriends at social dancing venues, so not an issue for me.. (a night out for us would typically be dancing somewhere and hopefully fewer drinks than we burn off. More often than not at either a social hall with no food on offer or a bar where the food is decidedly not worth the calories and would take time away from the dancing).0
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