Threw up my calories? Fast answer please?
1lepidotzorotheintern1
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So I don't eat very many calories per day bc of my current weight and I'm trying to lose... 1600 on work days and 1200-1300 on days i don't work is my goal. I didn't work today, and I had already eaten everything I was going to eat.
I felt fine all day and I feel fine now-- I'd forgotten that when I don't eat as much showers that are too hot make me really sick, and I throw up. When I'm eating whatever I want overly hot showers are my favorite thing, so today I just took one without thinking. And I threw up... a lot. It looked like stuff came out as far back as my lunch. I know this is gross... but because I don't eat very much, I know losing all those calories could make me feel weak/fatigued and my work has high activity and I can't be that way if I want to get anything done. I work in about 10 hours and was hoping to go to bed soon. This happened less than five minutes ago, and I feel absolutely fine now. I'm wondering how much I should eat back, and how much has likely already been processed?
I felt fine all day and I feel fine now-- I'd forgotten that when I don't eat as much showers that are too hot make me really sick, and I throw up. When I'm eating whatever I want overly hot showers are my favorite thing, so today I just took one without thinking. And I threw up... a lot. It looked like stuff came out as far back as my lunch. I know this is gross... but because I don't eat very much, I know losing all those calories could make me feel weak/fatigued and my work has high activity and I can't be that way if I want to get anything done. I work in about 10 hours and was hoping to go to bed soon. This happened less than five minutes ago, and I feel absolutely fine now. I'm wondering how much I should eat back, and how much has likely already been processed?
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Eat if you wish, and log it. There is no need to though.
Eat normal tomorrow.
As there is no knowing how many calories you lost just leave them logged but make a note about it, just so you can look back and see why this week may not have been normal. ie: over eating today to make up for what you lost.
Cheers, h.4 -
I'm concerned about being fatigued tomorrow, as I often am if I don't eat enough. To clarify, because I work at 5 in the morning and wake up at 4, I'm also usually sleep deprived for work. This makes it almost unbearable to work when I'm sleep deprived and have an empty stomach, and am currently having minor but noticable caffeine withdrawals. It's pretty important to me that I find out how much I've lost. I was a little worried about not having enough in me even if I hadn't thrown it up. I've tried a general search, but most of them aren't pulling up anything very helpful.
I don't want to overeat calories today, because this is only my third day and I need the streak to keep going. I can't just be lazy at work either, because it's my first 90 days at this job and I've already had to call off because of a flu. I just need... something more thorough for an answer. This happened at the most inopportune time.0 -
Remember, its not just energy from calories that you lost when you were sick, but also the nutrition from what you ate that your body needs most of all! Make sure your next meal packs a real punch with tonnes of nutrition - especially lots and lots of different leafy greens for potassium which is significantly depleted when you throw up.7
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I would play on the safe side and 'get back' your calories from lunch/dinner. Better to be slightly over and be ok at work than slightly under and be weak at work. I wouldn't overthink it though.17
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A great way to get tonnes of nutrition, feel satiated, but with not many calories, is to have a boiled egg and a handful of whatever green veggies/salad leaves you have in your fridge. Something so small as a boiled egg might not sound much, yet it gives you sustained energy and takes the edge well and truly off hunger for several hours. Plus there are sooo many good nutrients, fats and proteins, in the egg white and yolk.3
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1lepidotzorotheintern1 wrote: »I'm concerned about being fatigued tomorrow, as I often am if I don't eat enough. To clarify, because I work at 5 in the morning and wake up at 4, I'm also usually sleep deprived for work. This makes it almost unbearable to work when I'm sleep deprived and have an empty stomach, and am currently having minor but noticable caffeine withdrawals. It's pretty important to me that I find out how much I've lost. I was a little worried about not having enough in me even if I hadn't thrown it up. I've tried a general search, but most of them aren't pulling up anything very helpful.
I don't want to overeat calories today, because this is only my third day and I need the streak to keep going. I can't just be lazy at work either, because it's my first 90 days at this job and I've already had to call off because of a flu. I just need... something more thorough for an answer. This happened at the most inopportune time.
I think KateTii gave the best answer. It's important not to jeopardize your job or make yourself feel awful physically. Apart from, "eat back lunch and dinner", I'm not sure how thorough an answer you expect us to give, because it's not as though we were in the bathroom with you. I would err on the side of having enough to eat.5 -
This probably sounds like a dumb question, but are fried eggs just as good if I don't add any butter/milk to them? I ate the last of my leafy greens for lunch, but I have eggs and that sounds like a safe route in general.0
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There is no way of knowing the calories you have lost.
If you are worried about energy levels tomorrow, eat, and make sure you get enough sleep.
Things like this, illness, special occasions, etc, will happen throughout your weight loss, learning to deal with them in a reasonable and sensible way will help you lose successfully.
It is overall consistency that matters, not the odd day where you go off track.
Cheers, h.10 -
If lunch was sometime ago, it is likely most of those calories were already absorbed. In terms of anything vomited up within an hour or two of eating, anything from 20-50% is absorbed in terms of calories.2
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middlehaitch wrote: »Things like this, illness, special occasions, etc, will happen throughout your weight loss, learning to deal with them in a reasonable and sensible way will help you lose successfully.
It is overall consistency that matters, not the odd day where you go off track.
I think this is exactly right. It's important to adopt a sustainable approach to eating, one that you can maintain throughout your life. We all get sick sometimes, and it's important to make sure your body is getting the nutrition and hydration it needs to recover. I believe that's more important than worrying about going over your calories for one day. Even if you do wind up over your calorie goal for the day, one day really won't harm your weight loss as long as you get back on track when you're feeling well.1 -
I appreciate the very general sentiment from both of you, but it's that sort of thinking that has screwed me up the last hundred times I've tried to diet. "It's okay if I eat too much today, I'll just make sure I go back tomorrow" and I get too attached to it.
So I understand where you're coming from, but just for once I wanted to see if there was a way out of this other than *kitten* it up for the special occasion and start over tomorrow. It just has never worked for me-- self-control is easier if I don't mess it up in the first place.
Anyway, I ate four eggs as suggested and I'm hoping that will set things right. It also puts me at around a total of 1600 for today even with what I threw up, so I'll just try and stay around 1200 tomorrow. I'll admit I freaked out a little to begin with even though the solution was pretty simply. It felt like just when I was finally going to stick to this without deterring, something stupid had to happen. Either way, it should be fine now, I'm thinking, and I appreciate the quick replies!3 -
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@1lepidotzorotheintern1 As a few hours had passed, your body would've taken in some nutrition from that food already, but you still should consider eating again. There's no way to measure how much was lost and how much was absorbed.
What is the actual amount MFP set for you when you set up your profile? You need to be just as careful about under-eating as you would be about over-eating.0 -
1lepidotzorotheintern1 wrote: »I appreciate the very general sentiment from both of you, but it's that sort of thinking that has screwed me up the last hundred times I've tried to diet. "It's okay if I eat too much today, I'll just make sure I go back tomorrow" and I get too attached to it.
So I understand where you're coming from, but just for once I wanted to see if there was a way out of this other than *kitten* it up for the special occasion and start over tomorrow. It just has never worked for me-- self-control is easier if I don't mess it up in the first place.
Anyway, I ate four eggs as suggested and I'm hoping that will set things right. It also puts me at around a total of 1600 for today even with what I threw up, so I'll just try and stay around 1200 tomorrow. I'll admit I freaked out a little to begin with even though the solution was pretty simply. It felt like just when I was finally going to stick to this without deterring, something stupid had to happen. Either way, it should be fine now, I'm thinking, and I appreciate the quick replies!
I’m glad you’re feeling better. Your body will probably appreciate the food!
It is easy to get into the habit of thinking that many things are special occasions. I think you have to limit your definition of “special occasion.” For me, being sick merits a bit more wiggle room, but birthdays, etc. that I know are coming up don’t justify going over my calories. I figure that it’s up to me to bank calories for those things if I know I’ll be eating a lot. You can’t plan for being sick, though.
Either way, the important thing is to not let one day of overeating discourage you from getting back on track. As you said, one day can easily turn into two or three days if you don’t make a conscious effort to return to your plan. A lot of people get frustrated if they overeat for a few days, so they give up, which is the surest way to not lose weight.
Self control is also a really difficult thing, and humans only have a finite amount of it. Most of the people here who are in maintenance or have lost a lot of weight will say that the goal is developing a healthy routine rather than having to rely on motivation and willpower. I’ve been here for almost three years now, and have been in maintenance since August. I don’t think I could have relied on self control alone. I like chocolate too much for that
Most of us here tried and failed many times to lose weight. You’re not alone.2 -
OMG...I just can't imagine wanting to eat after throwing up! Even a few hours after. Bleh.
If I were worried about fatigue the following day related to not enough calories, I'd just take snacks with me.
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What are your stats? I ask because you keep saying that you eat very little, but the numbers you give are a reasonable amount?2
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How on earth does a shower make you violently throw up if you eat 1200 calories?
I can't get my head around that.14 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »How on earth does a shower make you violently throw up if you eat 1200 calories?
I can't get my head around that.
This whole thing is kind of odd...JMO. I didn't want to be the one to say it. I just....I dunno.
I'll just say this: OP, if you legitimately vomit from heat and if it is so much vomit that you can see the contents two meals back you should ask a doctor. Just ask. It can't hurt.12 -
Hot showers can cause a vaso-vagal response. Generally this leads to fainting as a result in sudden vasodilation and drop in blood pressure - however, sometimes at the beginning of vagal episode a person will feel nausea as an early sign. This may make them vomit.
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I would eat if you feel up to it and not worry about the calories.
Why not mention to your doc of this is something that happens frequently enough for you to notice?9 -
Hot showers can cause a vaso-vagal response. Generally this leads to fainting as a result in sudden vasodilation and drop in blood pressure - however, sometimes at the beginning of vagal episode a person will feel nausea as an early sign. This may make them vomit.
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I would eat if you feel up to it and not worry about the calories.
Why not mention to your doc of this is something that happens frequently enough for you to notice?
I realise that hot water is a vasodilator, the thing I can't get my head around is that it only happens when the op eats between 1600-1200 calories.8 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Hot showers can cause a vaso-vagal response. Generally this leads to fainting as a result in sudden vasodilation and drop in blood pressure - however, sometimes at the beginning of vagal episode a person will feel nausea as an early sign. This may make them vomit.
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I would eat if you feel up to it and not worry about the calories.
Why not mention to your doc of this is something that happens frequently enough for you to notice?
I realise that hot water is a vasodilator, the thing I can't get my head around is that it only happens when the op eats between 1600-1200 calories.
You don’t think there is the potential for poor oral intake to affect blood pressure and of vagal response in susceptible people?
ETA - the vagal response causes blood pressure to drop due to bradycardia (low heart rate) which is then accentated by the heat2 -
Also - to clarify, not Internet diagnosing here.
Just pointing out there are circumstances which can elicit this response do maybe not grill the OP as of their making up stories.4 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Hot showers can cause a vaso-vagal response. Generally this leads to fainting as a result in sudden vasodilation and drop in blood pressure - however, sometimes at the beginning of vagal episode a person will feel nausea as an early sign. This may make them vomit.
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I would eat if you feel up to it and not worry about the calories.
Why not mention to your doc of this is something that happens frequently enough for you to notice?
I realise that hot water is a vasodilator, the thing I can't get my head around is that it only happens when the op eats between 1600-1200 calories.
You don’t think there is the potential for poor oral intake to affect blood pressure and of vagal response in susceptible people?
ETA - the vagal response causes blood pressure to drop due to bradycardia (low heart rate) which is then accentated by the heat
I'm not sure where you got "Poor oral intake" from?
The OP is eating 1200-1600 calories a day.
I've heard of hydration being linked before, sniffing and gasping but never reduced calorie intake.3 -
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RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »
Meh. Not accusing, but certainly leading towards grilling. That’s the feeling I got reading some of the replies (including yours) and it’s not even my thread.
As for the calories - who knows what someone’s actually eating vs what they post here.
People say they vomit in a hot shower on a low (1200 cal) day, maybe it’s not enough - hence me commenting poor oral intake. Potentially.
My comments are just saying that simply because you have not heard of something before or ‘can’t get your head around’ it doesn’t mean it’s not a possibility.
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RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »
Meh. Not accusing, but certainly leading towards grilling. That’s the feeling I got reading some of the replies (including yours) and it’s not even my thread.
As for the calories - who knows what someone’s actually eating vs what they post here.
People say they vomit in a hot shower on a low (1200 cal) day, maybe it’s not enough - hence me commenting poor oral intake. Potentially.
My comments are just saying that simply because you have not heard of something before or ‘can’t get your head around’ it doesn’t mean it’s not a possibility.
Then that is how you have chosen to read it.
I want to know (or get my head around) how that happens.
What causes it to happen when the calories are not even low?
I have never even heard of it being linked with vlcd. It's known causes are injections, extreme stress, standing for long periods.
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RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Hot showers can cause a vaso-vagal response. Generally this leads to fainting as a result in sudden vasodilation and drop in blood pressure - however, sometimes at the beginning of vagal episode a person will feel nausea as an early sign. This may make them vomit.
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I would eat if you feel up to it and not worry about the calories.
Why not mention to your doc of this is something that happens frequently enough for you to notice?
I realise that hot water is a vasodilator, the thing I can't get my head around is that it only happens when the op eats between 1600-1200 calories.
You don’t think there is the potential for poor oral intake to affect blood pressure and of vagal response in susceptible people?
ETA - the vagal response causes blood pressure to drop due to bradycardia (low heart rate) which is then accentated by the heat
I'm not sure where you got "Poor oral intake" from?
The OP is eating 1200-1600 calories a day.
I've heard of hydration being linked before, sniffing and gasping but never reduced calorie intake.
And just to clarify, sniffing and gasping are ways to AVOID a vasovagal not as associated causes.
Quick reference if you care to check on it: https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article-abstract/38/24/1871/3882503?redirectedFrom=PDF0 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »
Meh. Not accusing, but certainly leading towards grilling. That’s the feeling I got reading some of the replies (including yours) and it’s not even my thread.
As for the calories - who knows what someone’s actually eating vs what they post here.
People say they vomit in a hot shower on a low (1200 cal) day, maybe it’s not enough - hence me commenting poor oral intake. Potentially.
My comments are just saying that simply because you have not heard of something before or ‘can’t get your head around’ it doesn’t mean it’s not a possibility.
Then that is how you have chosen to read it.
I want to know (or get my head around) how that happens.
What causes it to happen when the calories are not even low?
I have never even heard of it being linked with vlcd. It's known causes are injections, extreme stress, standing for long periods.
Suggested search terms would be, diet and vasovagal, hydration oral intake vasovagal, electrolytes and vasovagal ...
It may not even be related to this! It’s just a possibility thrown out there.
OP has described a symptom with objective cause. The low cal day diets (1200 but who knows what that actually translates to, including fluid intake and electrolytes) may not even be related to the shower voms.
This is a doctor question, (well? Aside from the should I eat more) not a mfp question. We don’t always get to understand why.
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Most, but not all, adsorption of calories occurs in the intestines, not in the stomach.4
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1lepidotzorotheintern1 wrote: »So I don't eat very many calories per day bc of my current weight and I'm trying to lose... 1600 on work days and 1200-1300 on days i don't work is my goal. I didn't work today, and I had already eaten everything I was going to eat.
I felt fine all day and I feel fine now-- I'd forgotten that when I don't eat as much showers that are too hot make me really sick, and I throw up. When I'm eating whatever I want overly hot showers are my favorite thing, so today I just took one without thinking. And I threw up... a lot. It looked like stuff came out as far back as my lunch. I know this is gross... but because I don't eat very much, I know losing all those calories could make me feel weak/fatigued and my work has high activity and I can't be that way if I want to get anything done. I work in about 10 hours and was hoping to go to bed soon. This happened less than five minutes ago, and I feel absolutely fine now. I'm wondering how much I should eat back, and how much has likely already been processed?
Just log what you eat as usual if you get hungry again. Don't sweat it. Tomorrow is another day!1
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