Discouraged
trishcarvalho
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I’ve been doing the ketogenic diet and I lost a few pounds but then somehow gained a little back! I should be in heavy ketosis as my carb intake is under 20grams a day but it’s only showing trace to small. What is going on? Am I doing something wrong? I don’t want to give up but I’m very discouraged!
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Are you doing the keto diet for health reasons? And do you use a food scale? Opening your diary might help us see what's going on.1
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Keto doesn't really matter if you eat more calories than you burn. It's not a magic solution to weight loss where you can eat anything you want as long as you stay very low on carbs. Just doesn't work that way. You still have to stay under your calorie goal. Food for thought.8
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What do you meanI should be in heavy ketosis as my carb intake is under 20grams a day but it’s only showing trace to small
? You mean on the keto sticks there is doubt about ketosis? How do you know the grams of your carbs?
And yeah, if you're not staying under your calories, you won't lose weight after that first water loss in the first few days.1 -
Are you tracking calories at all? And if so, are you in a calorie deficit?3
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Can’t wait until this fad is over.24
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yeah like everyone else said, you gotta remember calories matter.. you can eat however you want, but if you are consuming too many calories, nothing's going to change..
also, weight fluctuates throughout the day.. you can go up 3 or 4 pounds just after eating one meal.1 -
Well I certainly would not recommend a ketotic diet, they are rather extreme and uneccessary...but if you are committed to following that course of action as people have stated the factor that matters for weight loss is still calories, not whether or not you are in a ketotic state.2
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I think people think keto is going to be a miracle. There are a zillion stories everywhere highlighted with "...but nowadays I'm eating a thousand calories more daily than I used to, yet the weight keeps falling off..." The problem is that nothing, just nothing could live up to such promises consistently until all the weight has literally just melted off. This means at the first sign of trouble (or reality), the person doing the eating plan can get bummed and actually feel betrayed and lied to and may throw the whole thing out the door.
Even if keto does wind up being the absolute best thing for you, you just can't expect every week to read like a web landing page dedicated to cheering for keto. If you truly believe in this and feel happy doing it then you need to accept both that CICO still applies and that ANY wild eating plan claims have got to be suspect...many or perhaps most peoples' weight fluctuates at least occasionally.7 -
how many CALORIES are you eating. are you weighing everything on a food scale?2
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When you say you "gained a little back" what does that mean? Our weight is not static. Scale weight fluctuates depending on the amount of water you have in your body at that moment. Hormones can also cause scale fluctuations without fat gain.
Wednesday I was 177.2
Thursday I was 177.2 - I thought this was actually weird. I am rarely the exact same weight two days in a row.
Today I am 177.4 - my muscles are sore and retaining water from my new exercise routine. Not fat gain. Zero worries.
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I think people get enamored by keto because of the initial effects. There are a couple major things that cause your body to retain water, one of them is the storage of glycogen. Glycogen is used as a storage molecule for carbohydrates, it is the way the body processes and stores glucose, and is stored in your liver and muscle tissue. It is typically what your muscles will catabolize for energy if you use them which is why carbo-loading before a marathon might be a good idea. The thing is glycogen requires a lot of water to solubilize. For every gram of glycogen about 4 grams of water goes along with it. If you use up the glycogen the water returns to circulation and is eventually removed as excess through urination. Glycogen storage is a balance, if you use your muscles you use up glycogen...if you eat carbs you store glycogen.
So what does all of this means. It means if you go on an excessively low carbohydrate diet you will deplete your glycogen stores eventually to zero. While this is happening you are shedding a lot of water and thus you are shedding a lot of weight. This isn't actually fat loss, this isn't actually something that matters...its loss of water weight. The ultimate result of this is in the first week of going on a ketogenic diet the pounds just seem to fly off of you. If you lose two pounds of stores glycogen you'd lose 8 pounds of stored water and you'd end up losing 10 pounds (but not of fat). As a side note while you are burning through your glycogen stores your body is consuming carbohydrates even though you aren't eating carbohydrates so you won't actually go ketogenic...just a thought given your question.
There are a lot of fad diets that operate on this principle (same with diets that do this by reducing sodium intake and increasing water consumption which has the same effect for a different reason). People get super enthused when they try one of these methods and for the first time ever they seem to be losing like a pound every day, its nuts. But that of course stops when they depelete their glycogen stores (or run very low on sodium) yet they stick with the diet (they just wonder whats wrong and why they stopped losing weight so fast). The insidious thing is if they dare to drop the keto and eat carbs then weight floods back as their glycogen stores rebuild and with that they retain a lot more water and gain weight. This will scare people into going immediately back onto the keto diet.
There is nothing magical about keto. You will lose weight quickly at first because you deplete your glycogen stores (which isn't great for your energy or ability to do muscle work by the way). After that its just buisness as usual in terms of weight loss where it relates to calorie intake versus expenditure to lose fat.32 -
Wow Aaron, good info; thanks.0
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2snakeswoman wrote: »Wow Aaron, good info; thanks.
The explanation I gave about glycogen is likely also why a lot of people think carbohydrates make them fat or bloated. They notice that if they eat a big bowl of pasta the next day they are like 2 pounds heavier. That doesn't make sense in terms of what they understand (if anything) about calories so they assume that it isn't just about calories and that carbohydrates make them fat faster. So then they hop on the "Carbs are bad" train and never get off.
Carbohydrates aren't bad, they are your main go-to energy source and if you are training or using your muscles with any frequency you are going to want carbs. Carbs just happen to require more water to utilize and so if you eat more carbs you will probably retain more water and "gain" weight temporarily. But so what.11 -
@Aaron_K123 Thanks again for another excellent post.
One thing that I've seen thrown around is the idea that 1g of carb = 1g of glycogen = ~5g of weight. Is the relationship between carbs and glycogen that linear? And I understand it is the net carbs consumed vs used up, but I've just seen it in a couple places and wondered.0 -
To sum it up:
1. You need to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight, regardless of what diet you're doing. Tighten up your logging to make sure you aren't overeating.
2. Weight loss is not linear. Expect to gain a bit sometimes even if you're in a calorie deficit. These are just normal fluctuations.
3. Keto does not mean you get to eat however much you want of the allowed foods. Some people like this diet because it feels easier to them hunger-wise and such, but it's not necessary for weight loss and it does not follow different laws of physics from any other diet in the world. You still need to keep your calories in check.0 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »@Aaron_K123 Thanks again for another excellent post.
One thing that I've seen thrown around is the idea that 1g of carb = 1g of glycogen = ~5g of weight. Is the relationship between carbs and glycogen that linear? And I understand it is the net carbs consumed vs used up, but I've just seen it in a couple places and wondered.
Well glycogen is a chain of glucose molecules so it can only be formed from glucose. So for things comprised solely of glucose yeah I think it would be 1 to 1. For other carbohydrates they are broken down into individual monosaccharides. Glucose can go directly to glycogen but things like fructose or galactose are processed in the liver into glucose first and then I'm guessing its not quite 1:1 but probably pretty close.
One thing people don't realize I think is that all carbohydrates are sugars, its just the state they are in. People understand that monosaccharides (like glucose) or disaccharides (like sucrose) are sugars...but they don't realize that other carbohydrates like starch (a primary component of something like pasta or a potato) is just a long chain of glucose molecules in a polysaccharide. Starch is basically the plant version of glycogen, an energy storage molecule consisting of a chain of glucose molecules strung together. A bowl of pasta, or an apple, or a potato is basically just sugar in various forms. I think the stat is that 80% of the mass of carbohydrates you eat is glucose. Animals tend to use proteins for structural features and components of their body, plants tend to use sugars.
So a lot of carbohydrates either are glucose or they have glucose in them (like sucrose) so those yeah would go to glycogen. Others like galactose or fructose or maltose would get converted in the liver into glucose. Presumably that glucose could either then go direct into energy generation or go into storage in the form of glycogen.
This by the way is why people saying they avoid sugar and focus on eating lots of fruits and vegetables (carbohydrates) makes my face screw up a bit. I get what they mean but it still ends up sounding a little bit stupid.5 -
I personally do enjoy and see the benefits of the Ketogenic diet. Both my wife an I are on it. My wife has pcos, and they recommend the "little" carb intake for people with that. Here is a link to a Dr. I follow on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/drericberg123) who is all for keto. I like his content because he also pushes people to eat vegetables, while a lot of other keto people only push you to eat fat. Also please remember calories do count, even on keto. The benefit of keto with calorie counting is that you will be more satiated since the card/sugar count is low. Hope this helps! You got this!!!2
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dannyeburke wrote: »I personally do enjoy and see the benefits of the Ketogenic diet. Both my wife an I are on it. My wife has pcos, and they recommend the "little" carb intake for people with that. Here is a link to a Dr. I follow on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/drericberg123) who is all for keto. I like his content because he also pushes people to eat vegetables, while a lot of other keto people only push you to eat fat. Also please remember calories do count, even on keto. The benefit of keto with calorie counting is that you will be more satiated since the card/sugar count is low. Hope this helps! You got this!!!
Yeah this is accurate. Potential issues aside with ketone bodies and utilizing that particular metabolic path long term most people find fats/proteins more satiating than carbs so ketogenic diets have the "benefit" that it is actually quite difficult to eat too many calories if all your calories are fats and proteins because you will feel very full before you hit that point. But yeah, calories still matter and you should still track them.
It is personal preference though. If you (OP) find you struggle with a ketogenic diet there is no need for you to do a ketogenic diet, try something else.1 -
I lost a lot of weight four years ago on keto but ballooned back up as soon as I had a “normal” diet. I am dieting again but this time have included some carbs and nothing to excess. It is working and I feel much healthier. This is now more like a lifestyle rather than a diet. It has been slower to lose the weight than previously but that is partly due to difficulty with exercise and new meds. Aaron’s post really rang bells with me and should be pinned.1
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