14 days no logging
newhighnewlow
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and I'm sure I'm generously over-eating.
its always so hard for me to maintain once I've hit the goal weight or accomplished some other goal (like running a marathon). My unhealthy relationship with food means I get to tell myself "I deserve it after so long being good" and "I earned it"
fundamentally - food is still a reward, eating well is still a temporary phase, and and motivation is still best when it is to fix a big problem or achieve a major milestone.
So I can continue to try and change this mindset (harder than it sounds - given that I totally know what's wrong with it academically, but emotionally that has no impact)... or I can somehow turn maintaining into a big goal.
Anyone else out there have a way to pursue and celebrate maintenance instead of just "keeping things steady"?
its always so hard for me to maintain once I've hit the goal weight or accomplished some other goal (like running a marathon). My unhealthy relationship with food means I get to tell myself "I deserve it after so long being good" and "I earned it"
fundamentally - food is still a reward, eating well is still a temporary phase, and and motivation is still best when it is to fix a big problem or achieve a major milestone.
So I can continue to try and change this mindset (harder than it sounds - given that I totally know what's wrong with it academically, but emotionally that has no impact)... or I can somehow turn maintaining into a big goal.
Anyone else out there have a way to pursue and celebrate maintenance instead of just "keeping things steady"?
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If logging is what keeps you on-task, go back to logging. Log forever if that's what you need to do to maintain.
Also, experiment to find a way of eating that satisfies you at your maintenance calories. Find a balance that isn't a struggle. Eat foods you like and don't eat foods you don't like. Aim for 80% of your calories from nutrient-dense foods and 20% from treats. No food is off limits. You can eat anything you want, just not in unlimited amounts and perhaps less frequently.9 -
log log log... At least that is my plan. I am a REALLY great dieter but an awful maintainer. This time around I plan to log and weigh and eat whatever I like (portion control is key) now that I am in maintenance. Yo Yo ing is really awful and hard on our bodies. I have done it for almost 45 years. I am determined this is the last time. As such I am dealing with maintaining just like any other HUGE goal. Can I do 6 months? a year? Will my skin trust me that I am not going to grow back into is after 6 months or a year?9
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Yeah, I've proven to myself that I have to log. Been doing it for ten years and I'm still maintaining, with no side effects!8
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When im off to work outside home city for a week or more, i consciously eat a little less than i want to, and end up maintaining. Just experience from 2 10day stints. No idea if i can carry this on at home for years at a stretch.1
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"I'm sure I'm generously over-eating."
Not seeing what the point is then? I would assume your goal is to maintain without logging so why are you over-eating?
Are you not weighing yourself to monitor any gain? That would be "sure" to actually see your weight going upwards. Data not feelings.
"I deserve it "
You deserve to eat well and enjoyably - you don't deserve over-eating.
"fundamentally - food is still a reward, eating well is still a temporary phase, and and motivation is still best when it is to fix a big problem or achieve a major milestone."
I think that motivation is dreadfully over-emphasised, it's what gets you started but commitment is what makes you carry on.
"So I can continue to try and change this mindset (harder than it sounds - given that I totally know what's wrong with it academically, but emotionally that has no impact)... or I can somehow turn maintaining into a big goal."
I view every time I check my weight and find I'm in my maintenance weight range is just as pleasing, if not more so than when I was losing.
I was losing weight from a place I shouldn't have let myself get to (=failure). Better than yesterday didn't mean that much to me (not quite such a failure!). Progressing towards a goal is nice but being at goal is the real success.
A book I read this year really helped me understand the emotional versus logical battle we all face - The Chimp Paradox by Prof Steve Peters.
"Anyone else out there have a way to pursue and celebrate maintenance instead of just "keeping things steady"?"
Life is constant change and new challenges - beating those challenges is a reward for me.
I'm lucky in two ways in that I love exercise and I'm very self-competitive.
Do think you need to see keeping things steady as a good and a valid goal in itself, but improving (fitness, health, goals...) is better.
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Ten years ago I lost 100#. Like you, I'm a good dieter but not such a good maintainer. Once I stopped logging, I started gaining it all back. On one hand, I've learned what works. On the other hand, it's hard to maintain structure over long periods of time. Seems like a never-ending internal struggle.5
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Maintenance is a series of constant adjustments. Set a 5-10 lb range. Weigh at least weekly. When you get to the edge of your range, adjust calories by 100-200 per day until you get back to mid-range. This is a snack or drink per day. As someone who gained .5-1 lb per month for 20+ years, this is the strategy that has resulted in successful for 1 full year now.9
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Maintenance is a series of constant adjustments. Set a 5-10 lb range. Weigh at least weekly. When you get to the edge of your range, adjust calories by 100-200 per day until you get back to mid-range. This is a snack or drink per day. As someone who gained .5-1 lb per month for 20+ years, this is the strategy that has resulted in successful for 1 full year now.
This is my plan when I get back to maintenance. I lose and gain the same 15-20, so my window has to be in the 3-5 range I would think; I have a couple of successful long range fit friends who make adjustments when they see 2 lbs over, and that is what I am going to do. Thanks @lorrpb for confirming that has worked so well for you5 -
It’s helpful to know what your normal body fluctuations are. You can eat perfectly and weight will still fluctuate and there’s nothing to be done about it, so don’t panic too soon. That’s why a moderate range is suggested.3
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Logging is really the only way to be accurate unfortunately.3
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I go through spurts where I don't log. Life gets in the way sometimes or I am just overwhelmed, bored, depressed. In those cases, I try to just add calories (under the quick tools) and to be as honest as I can. My advice is to do the best you can and view this as a "life change" and try to make the best choices possible food-wise / activity-wise. Ultimately, there are consequences to not staying within your defined caloric / activity boundaries and it will catch up to you sooner or later. I have gone back and retroactively logged sometimes and that helps to motivate me.5
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Not logging is all well and good if you are stepping on the scales most weeks and seeing that you are in your maintenance range. Sometimes it takes logging to keep us thinking about how much food is going in.
I no longer need to log my food (been at maintenance since 2013) but I am a creature of habit, how much I eat hardly changes from day to day but I still step on the scales frequently and if I saw a prolonged time at the high end of my goal range I would cut a snack out until I'm back in my comfort zone.3 -
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newhighnewlow wrote: »fundamentally - food is still a reward, eating well is still a temporary phase, and and motivation is still best when it is to fix a big problem or achieve a major milestone.
Does food need to be a "reward", or can it be conceptualized primarily as fuel; fuel that ideally you enjoy eating and tastes good, but isn't a driving force in your life?5 -
Celebrate change, but not with food. Get yourself monthly massages, plan a trip, or take a day off work to do your own thing.2
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Maybe you are overeating, maybe you're not? Do your weigh yourself regularly?
What if you try to shift the contents of "eating well" from "being really virtuous with food" to "feeding myself regularly and reliably, eating everything I want, but responsibly"?
You need to tend to the small, seemingly unimportant daily tasks too, not just fix the holes when they appear, or get too big to be ignored. Don't rely on motivation for this - or do you rely on motivation for showering, going to work, brushing teeth, vacuuming, paying bills? Or do you just to it, from habit? Do you need "motivation" to eat, or do you eat because you are hungry? If you don't consistently overeat, you won't regain. If you don't worry so much, and don't glorify/demonize food, it will stop being a big issue, and become just one of those normal, daily, important, but not immersive, parts of your life.4 -
"I'm sure I'm generously over-eating."
Not seeing what the point is then? I would assume your goal is to maintain without logging so why are you over-eating?
Are you not weighing yourself to monitor any gain? That would be "sure" to actually see your weight going upwards. Data not feelings.
I agree with everything in this post above but most especially this. If you know you are overeating then either stop or gain fat. Those are your only choices. Whether you log or not is up to you, but if you overeat you will gain fat.
It is easier to lose than to maintain for most everyone. Statistics prove that. When you are losing there are results and goals and losses to be celebrated. When in maintenance the very best you can hope for as far as weight is concerned is nothing. No change. It's not as exciting. Until you gain it back and you realize how awesome maintenance really was.9 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »newhighnewlow wrote: »fundamentally - food is still a reward, eating well is still a temporary phase, and and motivation is still best when it is to fix a big problem or achieve a major milestone.
Does food need to be a "reward", or can it be conceptualized primarily as fuel; fuel that ideally you enjoy eating and tastes good, but isn't a driving force in your life?
Eat to live, don't live to eat.3 -
Ive lost 8kg, am 76kg at 5'11 now. Ive decided to quit weighing and logging food, because that is not how i wish to continue living. It was a great tool for losing weight, but im where I want to be weight wise.
Am planning to recomp for at least 6 months, weighing myself frequently to stay in a range with intuitive eating. Lifting weights will give me the physique that i desire, gradually. Will reassess after 6 months.2 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »newhighnewlow wrote: »fundamentally - food is still a reward, eating well is still a temporary phase, and and motivation is still best when it is to fix a big problem or achieve a major milestone.
Does food need to be a "reward", or can it be conceptualized primarily as fuel; fuel that ideally you enjoy eating and tastes good, but isn't a driving force in your life?
that's my point... I know it "should" be fuel. But the emotional side of me doesn't listen to what my brain knows.0 -
thanks everyone, for the responses. I think the struggle between what I know I *should* do, what I *could* do, and what happens if I'm not being neurotic/motivated will continue for some time...
but I'm trying a new tactic, starting yesterday, where I am going to try to log at maintenance. My goal is until new years. My hope is that getting "used to" eating at maintenance will help me make a normal amount a food a habit... because the only habits I have ever had before this are calorie surplus and calorie deficit.
this has the double benefit of a little accountability over the holidays.4 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »newhighnewlow wrote: »fundamentally - food is still a reward, eating well is still a temporary phase, and and motivation is still best when it is to fix a big problem or achieve a major milestone.
Does food need to be a "reward", or can it be conceptualized primarily as fuel; fuel that ideally you enjoy eating and tastes good, but isn't a driving force in your life?
Eat to live, don't live to eat.
Although I understand the validity of this statement, I always tend to somewhat disagree with it. I think there should be a middle ground. I personally don't nor do I want to view food as merely a necessity in order to live. Food brings me enjoyment, I love tasting and eating good food, and I love socializing and eating with others. I would be a very sad me, if I lost that feeling.3 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »newhighnewlow wrote: »fundamentally - food is still a reward, eating well is still a temporary phase, and and motivation is still best when it is to fix a big problem or achieve a major milestone.
Does food need to be a "reward", or can it be conceptualized primarily as fuel; fuel that ideally you enjoy eating and tastes good, but isn't a driving force in your life?
Eat to live, don't live to eat.
Although I understand the validity of this statement, I always tend to somewhat disagree with it. I think there should be a middle ground. I personally don't nor do I want to view food as merely a necessity in order to live. Food brings me enjoyment, I love tasting and eating good food, and I love socializing and eating with others. I would be a very sad me, if I lost that feeling.
Yes...some people pretend to be 100% rational, others pretend to be 100% emotional - I ignore both ends of the spectrum because I am in that middle area where some things are rational, others are emotional, and some things are both at once. If someone doesn't have the capacity to see the grey areas, then they don't have the capacity to speak meaningfully to me.3 -
Hey there! I lost 90 lbs using mfp and logging religiously. I entered maintenance and after about one year of maintaining and still logging religiously, I realized that my relationship with food was still pretty unhealthy and I think logging was making it worse. I was entering a cycle of “celebrating” and basically binging, and then jump back into logging and eating at a deficit. The cycle was happening more and more. So I decided to stop logging and see if I could change my habits. At first I was over eating when I stopped logging. It was that “if I don’t log it, I didn’t eat it” mentality. But after a couple weeks of that I sort of settled in to a new routine. That was March of this year that I stopped logging and I’m happy to say I’m still in my maintenance range and I do think my relationship with food as improved. It’s not perfect and I’ll probably always have to think about food and eating more than other people but I’m ok with that. I’m feeling pretty good about where I’m at now but I figure I’ll keep changing trying new things.4
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Been a month of no logging and I have ended up maintaining, which is my goal. So that's a win.8
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victoria_1024 wrote: »Hey there! I lost 90 lbs using mfp and logging religiously. I entered maintenance and after about one year of maintaining and still logging religiously, I realized that my relationship with food was still pretty unhealthy and I think logging was making it worse. I was entering a cycle of “celebrating” and basically binging, and then jump back into logging and eating at a deficit. The cycle was happening more and more. So I decided to stop logging and see if I could change my habits. At first I was over eating when I stopped logging. It was that “if I don’t log it, I didn’t eat it” mentality. But after a couple weeks of that I sort of settled in to a new routine. That was March of this year that I stopped logging and I’m happy to say I’m still in my maintenance range and I do think my relationship with food as improved. It’s not perfect and I’ll probably always have to think about food and eating more than other people but I’m ok with that. I’m feeling pretty good about where I’m at now but I figure I’ll keep changing trying new things.
this is the most inspirational and helpful thing I have ever read on MFP. I think you and I may have some similar thought and action patterns (and may also be outliers relative to the rest of MFP). Thank you for sharing!0
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