Eating pizza and getting abs
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If you eat enough of something of course. Carbohydrates are sugars. Excess sugars are most readily converted to fat. It's a fact of biochemistry. cals in/cals out has been burned into our heads, but's more complicated than that. What you eat matters. Not just how much.14
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I will chime in....
Calories In > Calories Out = Caloric Surplus = weight gain
Calories In = Calories Out = maintenance
Calories In < Calories Out = Caloric Deficit = weight loss
Macro-nutritent breakdown is, generally speaking (and all things being equal), a moot point. What determines fat loss is being in a caloric deficit. Plain and simple.
Sure, it is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED to hit something close to a proper breakdown of macro-nutrients. That will be something different for everyone. But, generally speaking, that would be a really good idea.
Also, I would suggest that folks start looking at the week's values with each day being a simple data-point on the weekly graph. This allows a lot more flexibility - and a lot less mental stress - for having a successful week with respect to caloric intake | hitting your macros.1 -
spikeraw22 wrote: »If you eat enough of something of course. Carbohydrates are sugars. Excess sugars are most readily converted to fat. It's a fact of biochemistry. cals in/cals out has been burned into our heads, but's more complicated than that. What you eat matters. Not just how much.
For weight loss, no. What you eat matters for health, nutrition, and body composition. Lowering carbs gives an initial illusion of faster weight loss, but it's water, not fat. When protein is kept constant, low carb diets have absolutely no weight loss advantage over time.
Please explain how one stores fat at the end of the day if they are at a caloric deficit.3 -
spikeraw22 wrote: »If you eat enough of something of course. Carbohydrates are sugars. Excess sugars are most readily converted to fat. It's a fact of biochemistry. cals in/cals out has been burned into our heads, but's more complicated than that. What you eat matters. Not just how much.
Excess sugars are only turned into fat if you eat more calories than you burn.
Nobody will argue that nutrition doesn't matter, of course it does. But what matters for weight loss is that you eat less calories than you burn.1 -
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This is my problem with CICO. Tunnel vision. Of course the theory of the formula works, but there's a lot more to the story than just cals in cals out. ANy nutritionist worth their degree will tell you this. I don't think we're disagreeing on much actually. What I'm saying is cutting down on your carbs will go a long way towards losing weight.7
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spikeraw22 wrote: »This is my problem with CICO. Tunnel vision. Of course the theory of the formula works, but there's a lot more to the story than just cals in cals out. ANy nutritionist worth their degree will tell you this. I don't think we're disagreeing on much actually. What I'm saying is cutting down on your carbs will go a long way towards losing weight.
no. Still just no. Cutting down on calories. Carbs have nothing whatsoever to do with fat loss.4 -
Not gonna lie now i want pizza and a big ole plate of potato wedges. Mmmmm1
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spikeraw22 wrote: »This is my problem with CICO. Tunnel vision. Of course the theory of the formula works, but there's a lot more to the story than just cals in cals out. ANy nutritionist worth their degree will tell you this. I don't think we're disagreeing on much actually. What I'm saying is cutting down on your carbs will go a long way towards losing weight.
Only if those carbs put you over your calorie intake. Also if this is what nutritionists tell people, it's another good reason to see a registered dietician whose degree is far more reliable than a nutritionist's.1 -
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spikeraw22 wrote: »This is my problem with CICO. Tunnel vision. Of course the theory of the formula works, but there's a lot more to the story than just cals in cals out. ANy nutritionist worth their degree will tell you this. I don't think we're disagreeing on much actually. What I'm saying is cutting down on your carbs will go a long way towards losing weight.
No. It. Won't.
For weight loss it's CICO. Health and nutrition is entirely separate.2 -
Dinner tonight is half a pizza, a glass of wine, a salad and a tablespoon of balsamic dressing. I have allocated the calories and I'm looking forward to it! My husband gets the other half! I generally keep my carbs between 50g - 100g a day because it helps me manage my food cravings (insulin resistant) but that doesn't mean I don't occasionally enjoy pizza or pasta. I want to keep the weight off once I hit goal so I make sure I'm developing an eating plan that isn't a grim life sentence.3
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Did someone mention Alan Aragon. He is brilliant. I'll just drop this here:
http://www.simplyshredded.com/research-review-the-dirt-on-clean-eating-written-by-nutrition-expert-alan-aragon.html1 -
Dinner tonight is half a pizza, a glass of wine, a salad and a tablespoon of balsamic dressing. I have allocated the calories and I'm looking forward to it! My husband gets the other half! I generally keep my carbs between 50g - 100g a day because it helps me manage my food cravings (insulin resistant) but that doesn't mean I don't occasionally enjoy pizza or pasta. I want to keep the weight off once I hit goal so I make sure I'm developing an eating plan that isn't a grim life sentence.
Can i still lose weight with higher carbs though? As long as im in a calorie defecit ?0 -
hattieandoscar wrote: »Dinner tonight is half a pizza, a glass of wine, a salad and a tablespoon of balsamic dressing. I have allocated the calories and I'm looking forward to it! My husband gets the other half! I generally keep my carbs between 50g - 100g a day because it helps me manage my food cravings (insulin resistant) but that doesn't mean I don't occasionally enjoy pizza or pasta. I want to keep the weight off once I hit goal so I make sure I'm developing an eating plan that isn't a grim life sentence.
Can i still lose weight with higher carbs though? As long as im in a calorie defecit ?
YES!1 -
hattieandoscar wrote: »Dinner tonight is half a pizza, a glass of wine, a salad and a tablespoon of balsamic dressing. I have allocated the calories and I'm looking forward to it! My husband gets the other half! I generally keep my carbs between 50g - 100g a day because it helps me manage my food cravings (insulin resistant) but that doesn't mean I don't occasionally enjoy pizza or pasta. I want to keep the weight off once I hit goal so I make sure I'm developing an eating plan that isn't a grim life sentence.
Can i still lose weight with higher carbs though? As long as im in a calorie defecit ?
For the billionth time, yes.3 -
hattieandoscar wrote: »Dinner tonight is half a pizza, a glass of wine, a salad and a tablespoon of balsamic dressing. I have allocated the calories and I'm looking forward to it! My husband gets the other half! I generally keep my carbs between 50g - 100g a day because it helps me manage my food cravings (insulin resistant) but that doesn't mean I don't occasionally enjoy pizza or pasta. I want to keep the weight off once I hit goal so I make sure I'm developing an eating plan that isn't a grim life sentence.
Can i still lose weight with higher carbs though? As long as im in a calorie defecit ?
Yes yes yes0 -
Does this answer your question? (Sorry that the dates don't align. I can get a 1-year report on weight but only 90 days on carbs)
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spikeraw22 wrote: »This is my problem with CICO. Tunnel vision. Of course the theory of the formula works, but there's a lot more to the story than just cals in cals out. ANy nutritionist worth their degree will tell you this. I don't think we're disagreeing on much actually. What I'm saying is cutting down on your carbs will go a long way towards losing weight.
Cutting down on your carbohydrates is only going to go "a long way" for weight loss if it results in a calorie deficit.3 -
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spikeraw22 wrote: »...Carbohydrates are sugars. Excess sugars are most readily converted to fat....
False. In a caloric deficit, there is NO net storage of fat regardless of your macro composition.
Oh, and by the way you know which macro is most readily converted to fat?
Hint: Fat.6 -
hattieandoscar wrote: »Dinner tonight is half a pizza, a glass of wine, a salad and a tablespoon of balsamic dressing. I have allocated the calories and I'm looking forward to it! My husband gets the other half! I generally keep my carbs between 50g - 100g a day because it helps me manage my food cravings (insulin resistant) but that doesn't mean I don't occasionally enjoy pizza or pasta. I want to keep the weight off once I hit goal so I make sure I'm developing an eating plan that isn't a grim life sentence.
Can i still lose weight with higher carbs though? As long as im in a calorie defecit ?
I will add German and Spanish to the mix:
Ja! Ja! Ja! und noch Mal Ja!
Si! Si! Si! y otra Vez Si!
Sorry.....can do only English, German and Spanish. That covers a lot of the world's population.0 -
I just tend to think that CICO works for weight loss, but, personally, in terms of how I felt physically and in terms of my body composition, I had the most success keeping the majority of my diet to whole foods, or at least, as close to natural as possible. Sure, I still had some desserts if eating out and some chocolate, but I very much limited it in favour of things like chicken, baked potatoes, sweet potatoes, veggies, nuts, seeds, fruit, greek yoghurt, avocado, cheese, butter, salmon, eggs etc. But I do agree that purely for weight loss, CICO works, regardless of the foods you eat, so long as you are remaining in a deficit.2
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I am thinking that OP is from England (she said "pizza from takeaway", which is the way that the folks across the pond say "take out").....
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hattieandoscar wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »hattieandoscar wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »All of the above but to add, your supermarket pizza isn’t any “healthier” than a takeaway one. As long as it fits your calories and your overall diet is meeting your goals then have at any pizza you want.
At a takeaway though you don’t know what they use or the calories ect..
They use pizza toppings, just like the factories that mass produce frozen pizza. I'd say the ingredients are probably better and more fresh. Calories have nothing to do with the healthiness of a food...
And Mmm.. Pizza... I'm having one for dinner tonight.
However a pizza from takeaway they don’t tell you the calories or nutrition, whereas supermarket ones do. Also how come people that are like really muscular and good abs say you should eat like chicken , sweet potato, brown rice ect... they always shame takeaways and “bad foods” ??
You seem to have a lot of misconceptions based on what others have told you, I suggest disregarding all of this "broscience" and abandoning any concepts of good and bad foods. It's all just food - what matters for weight loss is CI<CO. People find success eating any combination of foods: low carb, high carb, vegan, paleo, clean, "dirty". Focus on foods that provide nutrition and satiety within your calorie goal and then fill in the rest with foods you enjoy. Pizza has carbs, fat and (depending on toppings) protein. It's actually a macro balanced food. Getting it from takeaway vs frozen vs making it yourself really comes down to personal preference.
I suggest reading some of the stickied most helpful forum posts at the top of the getting started section to help undo some of the other misconceptions you may have about diet and exercise.5 -
LiftHeavyThings27105 wrote: »I am thinking that OP is from England (she said "pizza from takeaway", which is the way that the folks across the pond say "take out").....
Or Britain, we've four countries, not just England
And yes because they said both takeaway and supermarket. And I also clarified that they likely meant a pizza from the fridge not freezer because we have more convenience/ready meals fresh in the fridge than the freezer. We're fancy (and lazy) like that. 2 -
Agreed. Good call! Thank you for the correction. I should have been much much more specific (I am a bit of a geography fan.....yes, a bit of a nerd for weather and geography).0
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VintageFeline wrote: »LiftHeavyThings27105 wrote: »I am thinking that OP is from England (she said "pizza from takeaway", which is the way that the folks across the pond say "take out").....
Or Britain, we've four countries, not just England And yes because they said both takeaway and supermarket. And I also clarified that they likely meant a pizza from the fridge not freezer because we have more convenience/ready meals fresh in the fridge than the freezer. We're fancy (and lazy) like that.
Or 'the colonies'. NZ we say takeaways and supermarket (and have pizza in both fridge and freezer). Aus is the same (at least pretty sure they still say takeaways).1 -
This post literally made me drive and get a mexican pizza for dinner2
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