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Health Safety Concerns Being Well Addressed in Clinical Drug Trials?
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Or we could just promote more responsible behavior instead of vaccinating children against an STD.19
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moosmum1972 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Or we could just promote more responsible behavior instead of vaccinating children against an STD.
It can be transmitted through saliva.....I know hiv tests are popular before sex but hpv before kissing?
Edit according to the nhs hpv infections can also be on the skin/hands/fingers as well as the mouth and genitals....you going to stop touching your kids incase you have it?
I suggest you review the studies.
None of those transmission modalities has been substantiated.5 -
According to the CDC, HPV is so common the nearly all men and women will contract it at some point in their life.6
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stanmann571 wrote: »Or we could just promote more responsible behavior instead of vaccinating children against an STD.
Even when the ideal was sex with one person until you died it didn't often happen. I really don't think you've got a chance of getting anyone to follow that kind of behaviour now. And if you don't? HPV is so common, you're pretty much guaranteed to get it.3 -
counting_kilojoules wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Or we could just promote more responsible behavior instead of vaccinating children against an STD.
Even when the ideal was sex with one person until you died it didn't often happen. I really don't think you've got a chance of getting anyone to follow that kind of behaviour now. And if you don't? HPV is so common, you're pretty much guaranteed to get it.
We're talking about a degree of "responsibility" that the human race has never achieved. Since HPV is asymptomatic, even people with very few sexual partners can easily transmit it/pick it up even in the context of long-term, monogamous relationships.
So while I'm all for encouraging people to act responsible, I also think that taking steps to prevent preventable cancers is a part of responsibility. When I was a child, my mother put sunscreen on me to help protect me from future skin cancer. If vaccines protecting me from HPV were available then, I like to think she'd have done that too.13 -
I watched a commercial for a new diabetes drug and the list of contraindications was so long I wondered why anyone would bother. But then again, losing a limb or going blind to diabetes is pretty extreme too....4
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counting_kilojoules wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Or we could just promote more responsible behavior instead of vaccinating children against an STD.
Even when the ideal was sex with one person until you died it didn't often happen. I really don't think you've got a chance of getting anyone to follow that kind of behaviour now. And if you don't? HPV is so common, you're pretty much guaranteed to get it.
The ideal hasn’t changed.10 -
I didn't realize that saving yourself for marriage and then waiting a few years after was the way kids were going these days?8
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HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I didn't realize that saving yourself for marriage and then waiting a few years after was the way kids were going these days?
I didn't realize that saying that anything of such sort was "ideal" was what anyone was doing these days. I'm not sure what one individual's personal moral convictions on a matter have to do with public health policy, tbh.9 -
I figured that's what he was saying. Wasn't it? To teach your kids some responsible behaviors? And that being with only one person in your whole life was the ideals still?
I took that is him saying that if people were responsible enough to not be with anyone else until they found someone to marry.. but since a lot of marriages end within a few years you would then have to give the marriage some wait time that this is how you would not have to be vaccinated for HPV2 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I figured that's what he was saying. Wasn't it? To teach your kids some responsible behaviors? And that being with only one person in your whole life was the ideals still?
I took that is him saying that if people were responsible enough to not be with anyone else until they found someone to marry.. but since a lot of marriages end within a few years you would then have to give the marriage some wait time that this is how you would not have to be vaccinated for HPV
That might be what he plans to teach his children. I don't see how that has anything to do with anything anyone else should or should not be doing.
I'm questioning the paradigm of shoulds regarding sexual behavior.
Furthermore, the issue of the vaccine isn't related to morality.7 -
It doesn't.. i just thought it was an odd thing to expect, that parents are just not teaching their kids any morals and thats why HPV needs a vaccine.0
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I figured that's what he was saying. Wasn't it? To teach your kids some responsible behaviors? And that being with only one person in your whole life was the ideals still?
I took that is him saying that if people were responsible enough to not be with anyone else until they found someone to marry.. but since a lot of marriages end within a few years you would then have to give the marriage some wait time that this is how you would not have to be vaccinated for HPV
That might be what he plans to teach his children. I don't see how that has anything to do with anything anyone else should or should not be doing.
I'm questioning the paradigm of shoulds regarding sexual behavior.
Furthermore, the issue of the vaccine isn't related to morality.
Exactly.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I figured that's what he was saying. Wasn't it? To teach your kids some responsible behaviors? And that being with only one person in your whole life was the ideals still?
I took that is him saying that if people were responsible enough to not be with anyone else until they found someone to marry.. but since a lot of marriages end within a few years you would then have to give the marriage some wait time that this is how you would not have to be vaccinated for HPV
That might be what he plans to teach his children. I don't see how that has anything to do with anything anyone else should or should not be doing.
I'm questioning the paradigm of shoulds regarding sexual behavior.
Furthermore, the issue of the vaccine isn't related to morality.
Of course it is.
HPV is an STD. Thus sexuality and morality are inescapably part of the conversation.
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stanmann571 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I figured that's what he was saying. Wasn't it? To teach your kids some responsible behaviors? And that being with only one person in your whole life was the ideals still?
I took that is him saying that if people were responsible enough to not be with anyone else until they found someone to marry.. but since a lot of marriages end within a few years you would then have to give the marriage some wait time that this is how you would not have to be vaccinated for HPV
That might be what he plans to teach his children. I don't see how that has anything to do with anything anyone else should or should not be doing.
I'm questioning the paradigm of shoulds regarding sexual behavior.
Furthermore, the issue of the vaccine isn't related to morality.
Of course it is.
HPV is an STD. Thus sexuality and morality are inescapably part of the conversation.
Far more important and immediate that sexuality and morality is practicality. And the fact is that morality doesn't cure or even slow the spread of STDs. Look to abstinence only AIDS prevention education in countries with high prevalence. They have a far, far higher instance of infection than areas which provide practical prevention advice and really, the only thing bstinence only AIDS prevention education has achieved is a higher instance of child-brides (the younger they are, the better chance they're a virgin).11 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »I figured that's what he was saying. Wasn't it? To teach your kids some responsible behaviors? And that being with only one person in your whole life was the ideals still?
I took that is him saying that if people were responsible enough to not be with anyone else until they found someone to marry.. but since a lot of marriages end within a few years you would then have to give the marriage some wait time that this is how you would not have to be vaccinated for HPV
That might be what he plans to teach his children. I don't see how that has anything to do with anything anyone else should or should not be doing.
I'm questioning the paradigm of shoulds regarding sexual behavior.
Furthermore, the issue of the vaccine isn't related to morality.
Of course it is.
HPV is an STD. Thus sexuality and morality are inescapably part of the conversation.
Far more important and immediate that sexuality and morality is practicality. And the fact is that morality doesn't cure or even slow the spread of STDs. Look to abstinence only AIDS prevention education in countries with high prevalence. They have a far, far higher instance of infection than areas which provide practical prevention advice and really, the only thing bstinence only AIDS prevention education has achieved is a higher instance of child-brides (the younger they are, the better chance they're a virgin).
It's only ineffective if it's not followed.10 -
I talked to my kids about safe sex, morality, STD's etc etc until i was blue in the face. Did they listen to a word? Probably Not!
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