5:2 diet
princessemms
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What's your views on this diet in and feel free to add me I'll need all the encouragement and support I can get and I'm sure I can try and return the favour xxx I might be a bit of a fat lass with a fair bit of knowledge it's just I need the kick in the *kitten* to put It into practice xx
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It's not a diet. It's just a way of eating. If you can eat that little 2 days a week with no struggles then do it.2
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HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »It's not a diet. It's just a way of eating. If you can eat that little 2 days a week with no struggles then do it.
Bingo.
Any variation of intermittent fasting, including 5:2, is just different meal timings. You can gain, lose, or maintain with IF, because it all comes down to calories.
I personally like to skip breakfast so I have more calories for dinner.0 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »It's not a diet. It's just a way of eating. If you can eat that little 2 days a week with no struggles then do it.
This. I would be hangry only eating 500 calories and would probably overeat the following day.1 -
I did this for several months and did fine with it. And lost with it. I'm currently taking a break from it and eating at my calorie level and fasting maybe once a week or two. I have been losing with both ways of eating.1
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HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »It's not a diet. It's just a way of eating. If you can eat that little 2 days a week with no struggles then do it.
Actually the 5:2 is a diet. It's one of the IF protocols that is set up for weight loss.
My opinion is that it is a pretty good way to set up your calorie deficit. The key is to have your 500 calorie days planned out with low calorie, nutrient dense and high satiating foods.5 -
I read extensively on it, arguments from Dr Mosley and I fail to see a benefit of 5:2 vs keeping an average. For my sanity and to cope with occasional social happenings, I aim at 13:1.
13 days at 1560 cal and 1 day as a cheating day. Overall is probably 1800-1850 and I still lose weight.1 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »It's not a diet. It's just a way of eating. If you can eat that little 2 days a week with no struggles then do it.
Actually the 5:2 is a diet. It's one of the IF protocols that is set up for weight loss.
My opinion is that it is a pretty good way to set up your calorie deficit. The key is to have your 500 calorie days planned out with low calorie, nutrient dense and high satiating foods.
It really isn't.
Eating to maintenance and then eating 500 calories 2 days a week is just a way to eat your calories, it's not a diet. There is no specific foods to consume like a low carb diet for diabetics.4 -
Just curious. Why not eat at a daily deficit like MFP sets you up for? Personally I wouldn't be a kind human being if I ate just 500 calories for the day. I'm losing at 1800 calories.
But if it works for you and its something you can sustain for the long term, then go for it.0 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »It's not a diet. It's just a way of eating. If you can eat that little 2 days a week with no struggles then do it.
Actually the 5:2 is a diet. It's one of the IF protocols that is set up for weight loss.
My opinion is that it is a pretty good way to set up your calorie deficit. The key is to have your 500 calorie days planned out with low calorie, nutrient dense and high satiating foods.
It really isn't.
Eating to maintenance and then eating 500 calories 2 days a week is just a way to eat your calories, it's not a diet. There is no specific foods to consume like a low carb diet for diabetics.
So then by your definition nothing that creates a calorie deficit is a "diet". A "diet" in your sense is only the collective of the foods a person eats?
The word diet can mean both. If you are restricting calories you are on a diet. The collective foods you eat regardless of gaining/losing/maintaining weight is also a diet.1 -
Because there is some people who find this method easier, perhaps they are very busy through the week and find it hard to constantly get meals in or something like that..
But there is some people who seem to think this method promotes better weight loss, which it doesn't.0 -
The definition of "a diet" isn't limited to "eating specific foods".HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »It's not a diet. It's just a way of eating. If you can eat that little 2 days a week with no struggles then do it.
Actually the 5:2 is a diet. It's one of the IF protocols that is set up for weight loss.
My opinion is that it is a pretty good way to set up your calorie deficit. The key is to have your 500 calorie days planned out with low calorie, nutrient dense and high satiating foods.
It really isn't.
Eating to maintenance and then eating 500 calories 2 days a week is just a way to eat your calories, it's not a diet. There is no specific foods to consume like a low carb diet for diabetics.
Eating below your maintenance in order to lose weight is "a diet".
Counting calories here in order to lose weight is "a diet".
Eating a specific way is "a diet".
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I bought the book, I read the book, I tried it, I was a raging nightmare.... Gave up. (Much to the relief of my family)
However, it is one of the less crazy WoE that can help sustain a calorie deficit, if it suits you it should be sustainable. Some do better with 'windows' of eating daily like 16:8. Or a daily limit.
I still use the recipe resources here even after I have long given up 5:2
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/collection/520 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
The definition of "a diet" isn't limited to "eating specific foods".HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »It's not a diet. It's just a way of eating. If you can eat that little 2 days a week with no struggles then do it.
Actually the 5:2 is a diet. It's one of the IF protocols that is set up for weight loss.
My opinion is that it is a pretty good way to set up your calorie deficit. The key is to have your 500 calorie days planned out with low calorie, nutrient dense and high satiating foods.
It really isn't.
Eating to maintenance and then eating 500 calories 2 days a week is just a way to eat your calories, it's not a diet. There is no specific foods to consume like a low carb diet for diabetics.
Eating below your maintenance in order to lose weight is "a diet".
Counting calories here in order to lose weight is "a diet".
Eating a specific way is "a diet".
eating below your maintenance to lose weight is just eating.. lol..
Counting calories in order to achieve that below maintenance is also just a way to make sure you are eating within that goal.. but it's not a diet. It's a method towards CICO, CICO is not a diet.. IF is just that a method towards achieving the proper CICO.. but it's still not a diet.0 -
The dictionary defines "diet" as...
1. the kinds of food that a person, animal, or community habitually eats.
"a vegetarian diet"
2. a special course of food to which one restricts oneself, either to lose weight or for medical reasons.
"I'm going on a diet"
OP's wording makes me believe she's referring to option 2, which in terms of IF, doesn't make sense.3 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
The definition of "a diet" isn't limited to "eating specific foods".HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »It's not a diet. It's just a way of eating. If you can eat that little 2 days a week with no struggles then do it.
Actually the 5:2 is a diet. It's one of the IF protocols that is set up for weight loss.
My opinion is that it is a pretty good way to set up your calorie deficit. The key is to have your 500 calorie days planned out with low calorie, nutrient dense and high satiating foods.
It really isn't.
Eating to maintenance and then eating 500 calories 2 days a week is just a way to eat your calories, it's not a diet. There is no specific foods to consume like a low carb diet for diabetics.
Eating below your maintenance in order to lose weight is "a diet".
Counting calories here in order to lose weight is "a diet".
Eating a specific way is "a diet".
eating below your maintenance to lose weight is just eating.. lol..
Counting calories in order to achieve that below maintenance is also just a way to make sure you are eating within that goal.. but it's not a diet. It's a method towards CICO, CICO is not a diet.. IF is just that a method towards achieving the proper CICO.. but it's still not a diet.
This is all a bit like saying: it's not a dog if it doesn't have a specific breed. It's still a dog.
ETA: See Merriam-Webster definition d below. That's "CICO".0 -
The dictionary defines "diet" as...
1. the kinds of food that a person, animal, or community habitually eats.
"a vegetarian diet"
2. a special course of food to which one restricts oneself, either to lose weight or for medical reasons.
"I'm going on a diet"
OP's wording makes me believe she's referring to option 2, which in terms of IF, doesn't make sense.
Of course it depends on WHICH dictionary.
Merriam-Webster:
Definition of diet
1 a : food and drink regularly provided or consumed
--a diet of fruits and vegetables
-- a vegetarian diet
b : habitual nourishment links between diet and disease
c : the kind and amount of food prescribed for a person or animal for a special reason
-- was put on a low-sodium diet
d : a regimen of eating and drinking sparingly so as to reduce one's weight
--going on a diet
2 : something provided or experienced repeatedly
--Their imaginations feverish from a diet of detective novels …—The New Yorker
--heard a steady diet of excuses0 -
A friend of mine does 5:2 and loves it. She orginally used it to lose some vanity pounds, and now she uses it for maintenance. She likes it because for her she doesn't have to really think about what she eats on other days, and said that after an adjustment period she doesn't find the 500 cal days difficult at all (she initially didn't work out on those days, but now she does).1
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And yeah, "eating limited quantities of food in order to lose weight" is one of the various definitions of diet.2
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I think there is some confusion here about how the term diet is being implied.
Fad diets, like the military diet, banana diet, Etc revolve around a variation of food and not others.
Then you have other diets like low carb, Keto, Etc which also revolve around a variation of different foods and not others.
IF does not have a diet plan.. unless you think picking a set certain amount of hours to eat is a plan.. but in reality, its just eating, since time of day is pointless really outside of your own convenience, that really isn't a plan.
There is no set foods to eat. There is no specific diet involved besides eating whatever you choose to eat within your calories, it's not like IF says you can only have so many carbs per day or you need to eat super high fat or only vegetables.. It's a method towards CICO that is all it is. Where as Keto or Low Carb Diets are plans that can aid people with health issues like diabetes, they don't need to be used for weight management.4 -
yeah you're conflating two meanings of the term 'diet'
There's the term for the collective foodstuffs typically eaten together. So you have the Standard American Diet, the Inuit diet, Mediterranean Diet, Japanese diet and so on.
There's the term diet as in 'being on a weightloss diet'
5:2 is an example of the latter. It is intended for people to be able to lose weight by lowering the average calorie intake over the week. They may claim some other benefit relating to calorie restriction but ultimately it is a way to lose weight. In other words a diet.
Hope this clears it up.1 -
I really dont consider it a diet, otherwise i would be going around saying im doing the CICO diet.. which ultimately is ridiculous.4
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I'm not doing the "CICO diet" (CICO applies for weight loss, weight gain, and maintenance), but I am (well, after Christmas I might be again) "dieting" so long as I'm trying to lose weight, even if I'm just eating the same foods as at maintenance. When I lost my 95 lbs, I was dieting, even though I was eating the same foods I do when not dieting (just less of them).
Some people find that doing 5:2 naturally causes them to eat less and lose, so in that sense it's a way to diet. Others use it as a way to reduce calories (eat at maintenance for 5 days and 500 cal for 2 -- if done that way it's inherently a diet), and they are dieting using 5:2 just as someone might be dieting by logging or dieting by eating less, moving more, or dieting by just counting calories.-1 -
yeah.. i dunno.. in my view a diet is about food itself, not the method used to consume it for weight management.
i mean.. what does one call someone who eats everything within their calories? Would you say you are following the everything diet using the 5:2 method?
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When I did that, I said I was dieting or on a diet. (Or eating at a deficit or trying to lose weight or eating less/moving more or, jokingly, on the ELMM diet.)0
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Lol i guess its all really semantics i suppose..
That and IF is kind of rubbing me like keto lately.. lol2 -
Yes it's a weight loss diet - that's precisely what it's designed to be. The website and the book are called the Fastdiet. i.e. a diet that includes fasting.
Unlike other forms of IF that can be done while maintaining or gaining weight you can only lose weight with 5:2.
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I did 5:2 to lose my excess weight and found it was a great help in making adherence to a moderate weekly calorie deficit easier. That isn't going to be the case for everyone. Some people hate it, some people shouldn't even consider it.
Every day deficit bores and frustrates me but the thought "it's only for today" made it easy to stick to.
It also supported a heavy exercise routine very well as the majority of time you are training fully fuelled.
I also found the transition to maintenance very easy as you have been eating at maintenance levels 5 days a week already.
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I have never heard of 5:2 before, however I have heard of intermittent fasting. This whole post is very interesting. I am going to look further into the benefits of this.2
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@emjay6x3I have never heard of 5:2 before, however I have heard of intermittent fasting. This whole post is very interesting. I am going to look further into the benefits of this.
Have a look at https://thefastdiet.co.uk/
Although I liked it as an eating pattern please read some of the claims beyond creating a calorie deficit with a pinch of salt - there's some cherry picking of research and leaping to conclusions by taking findings out of context.
Some really nice recipes though, high nutrition/high taste/low calorie that could be useful to people however they choose to allocate their calorie allowance. It challenges your imagination and cooking skills when you have a small calorie allowance to play with.1 -
I am doing the 16:8 and so far like it. I hate doing small meals throughout the day- and like that I can have a bigger lunch and dinner and even treats. I’m hungry this morning but break fast in a few hours.0
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