FACEPALM. People who don't know what they're talking about AT ALL. I'm really just venting...
southrnchic479
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Small talk in the kitchen with boss's wife as she's heating up her nutrisystem soup thingy. I say, "I started lowering my carbs 2 weeks ago and lost 3 lbs in the first week but now I'm back up (2 lbs) because I've been working out. I know it was all water weight I shed and now it's water weight I'm retaining from my muscles repairing but you know....I just need to stop getting on the scale so often is what I need to do!"
Her response. "Oh, no. You HAVE to get on the scale every day. If you don't then you have no idea if what you're doing is working or not. It's just all about working out and not eating."
HAHAHAHA. Look I don't claim to know everything and I'm still learning a lot. But COME ON. Also, I'm not slamming anyone on nutrisystem because I really have never looked into it, but on the surface, it doesn't seem like something that leads to a healthy all over life change. Just sayin...anyway...ugh. Major eyeroll. LOL
Her response. "Oh, no. You HAVE to get on the scale every day. If you don't then you have no idea if what you're doing is working or not. It's just all about working out and not eating."
HAHAHAHA. Look I don't claim to know everything and I'm still learning a lot. But COME ON. Also, I'm not slamming anyone on nutrisystem because I really have never looked into it, but on the surface, it doesn't seem like something that leads to a healthy all over life change. Just sayin...anyway...ugh. Major eyeroll. LOL
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This is why I avoid diet/fitness/nutrition small talk with 99% of the people in my life. People don't know what they don't know and it's easier to talk about more pleasant topics.61
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@janejellyroll Truth.0
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Yeah, I mean I can see her point too. I don't think one of you is more "right" than the other here.
If you bring it up, expect a wide variety of opinions.
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oh. NM. It's in debate. Not interested in debating opinions.15 -
@cmriverside her point that you should weigh yourself every day?0
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janejellyroll wrote: »This is why I avoid diet/fitness/nutrition small talk with 99% of the people in my life. People don't know what they don't know and it's easier to talk about more pleasant topics.
It can turn as ugly as politics or religion. Had a (good natured) argument with a friend yesterday who was telling me that the calories in an avocado are not the same as the calories in mayo because the avocado is healthy.
She was implying that if I "went over" in my calories eating an avocado, it would be OK, as opposed to the mayo, because my body metabolizes those calories and fat differently.
No. No. No - if I eat a surplus of calories, whether it's from an avocado or mayo, it's getting stored on my fat *kitten* as even more fat. Period.
I understand the HEALTH BENEFITS of an avocado totally trump the mayo - totally - but when it comes to WEIGHT LOSS - an overage of so-called "good" calories has the SAME EFFECT as an overage of so-called "bad" calories..
(BTW - I do not agree with good food / bad food - just some food has more nutritional bang for the amount of calories you eat)23 -
cmriverside wrote: »Yeah, I mean I can see her point too. I don't think one of you is more "right" than the other here.
If you bring it up, expect a wide variety of opinions.
Agreed. You don't HAVE to weigh every day, but you can. I do, because I like to see the results of the foods I eat, my exercise, TOM, etc. Knowing the variables helps me stay on track.
I don't suspect, though, that the boss's wife understands that just based on your story.14 -
Even under threat of a gun to the head, I would never even considering saying the words "carb", "weight", or "scale" in the kitchen at work.
I would generally agree that Nutrisystem is not a great way to lose the weight long term. But considering 5 years ago there was probably someone making fun oft he silly ways I was trying to lose weight at the time, I try not to be too judgemental IRL.33 -
janejellyroll wrote: »This is why I avoid diet/fitness/nutrition small talk with 99% of the people in my life. People don't know what they don't know and it's easier to talk about more pleasant topics.
It can turn as ugly as politics or religion. Had a (good natured) argument with a friend yesterday who was telling me that the calories in an avocado are not the same as the calories in mayo because the avocado is healthy.
She was implying that if I "went over" in my calories eating an avocado, it would be OK, as opposed to the mayo, because my body metabolizes those calories and fat differently.
No. No. No - if I eat a surplus of calories, whether it's from an avocado or mayo, it's getting stored on my fat *kitten* as even more fat. Period.
I understand the HEALTH BENEFITS of an avocado totally trump the mayo - totally - but when it comes to WEIGHT LOSS - an overage of so-called "good" calories has the SAME EFFECT as an overage of so-called "bad" calories..
(BTW - I do not agree with good food / bad food - just some food has more nutritional bang for the amount of calories you eat)
Yes, yes. I have overheard (and been told) versions of this before too (or variants like "Your body can't store calories from protein").6 -
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Oh, and I weigh myself almost every day. I am a data geek, and I find lots of data points more enlightening than once a week. It's all about how you handle the data once you have it.33
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I actually LOVE getting up every morning and weighing myself. I've been doing it every day now for nearly a month, and it's fascinating to see the pattern on Libra. But I'd never tell someone they HAD to do it every day.10
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Oh, and I weigh myself almost every day. I am a data geek, and I find lots of data points more enlightening than once a week. It's all about how you handle the data once you have it.
I added Happy Scale to my phone for this purpose but mentally it kills me to input an upward number....but I am trying anyway because I see the value in it.6 -
Thehardmakesitworthit wrote: »Oh, and I weigh myself almost every day. I am a data geek, and I find lots of data points more enlightening than once a week. It's all about how you handle the data once you have it.
I added Happy Scale to my phone for this purpose but mentally it kills me to input an upward number....but I am trying anyway because I see the value in it.
Yeah, I mean some people can never get over the stress of seeing the scale bounce around every day, and for those people logging once a week or every other week is probably best. But if you can start to get used to the roller coaster ride and see the patterns in what your weight does the day after a restaurant meal, after a long hike, after a night of drinking, at your TOM, it can be fascinating and I think easier to figure out what your maintenance weight range should be
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Meh, I weigh every day. Total numbers nerd.
I see both your sides.
Sounds like your departure this week is a positive one.2 -
Let's see...
- You offered your opinion; so did she
- You think you're right; so does she
But only one of you felt the need to start an eyeroll thread.
Repeat after me 'You do you'.
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I too have been weighing myself frequently but the reason I said I should stop is because my body is starting to retain water for muscle repair. I am eating under my calorie goal of 1200, or meeting it, so I know that whatever is showing on the scale has GOT to be water or waste. Instead I am going to buy a measuring tape and rely on that when I want some concrete evidence of progress. It's fun to see the scale go down, but when it goes up it can definitely make you go AHH, especially if you don't remember to factor in the way workouts can affect your body. That's basically the point I'm making.2
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Thehardmakesitworthit wrote: »Oh, and I weigh myself almost every day. I am a data geek, and I find lots of data points more enlightening than once a week. It's all about how you handle the data once you have it.
I added Happy Scale to my phone for this purpose but mentally it kills me to input an upward number....but I am trying anyway because I see the value in it.
Yeah, I mean some people can never get over the stress of seeing the scale bounce around every day, and for those people logging once a week or every other week is probably best. But if you can start to get used to the roller coaster ride and see the patterns in what your weight does the day after a restaurant meal, after a long hike, after a night of drinking, at your TOM, it can be fascinating and I think easier to figure out what your maintenance weight range should be
I weigh every month at the same point in my monthly cycle because fluctuations and I aren't friends. But I can get away with that because I have my diet and logging dialed in and I trust the process. Weighing only once a month would probably drive other people bonkers so I don't rush out and suggest people follow my lead. I just find it interesting who enjoys the extra data and who doesn't
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Sounds like neither of you has a totally healthy relationship with what is just a dumb device for telling you your weight at one specific moment.
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I have learned the hard way that while losing weight (32 pounds) nobody wants to hear about how you are doing it. They just want to tell you what you SHOULD be doing.
Still so much ignorance out there regarding weight loss it is sad.
It is also sad that it took me so long to find MFP and work out CICO is key instead of Slimming patches, pregnant yak urine and raspberry keytones.
Yes I was that person.22 -
I think the real issue here is that the OP entered the conversation saying "I" need to _________ , and the boss's wife replied with "No, you" need to _______. OP tried to keep her opinions as her opinions, and boss wife started inserting her own opinions onto OP.
Everyone has ways that work, or don't work, for them. Personally- I can't look at the scale every day. I get disheartened and discouraged, and am more likely to just "give up" because it's "not worth it". That's how my brain works. So, instead I find other ways to view my progress- like how I look and feel. Other people- they like seeing those numbers and that information. They like to keep track. That's how their brain works.
I think like all matters of debate, people have a tendency to view their way of thinking as "correct", so why doesn't everyone else think that way? We have to remember that we are all individuals, and we all have our way of looking at things. Give advise, sure. Have a conversation. Just don't try to push your ideals onto others.13 -
Thankfully a number of people in my office are on diets/workout regimes. There's a whole group wanting to do a 5K together. This makes the work environment a lot more "friendly" to those conversations. If anything, the people doing nothing are probably the ones feeling shamed right now.
Shoot, I felt a little shamed for not being able to do the 5K thing (I physically cannot run after breaking my leg) - but at least I can mention something about my food choices or workouts and not have to defend it tooth and nail!
Maybe it's just being in the area I'm in, I don't find it to be quite as much of an issue here as it was where I grew up. Not that there aren't groups where I've noticed it being an issue, but really, it's kind of a "read the crowd" situation. If most of the folks there are overweight, probably don't really talk about it!0 -
Thehardmakesitworthit wrote: »Oh, and I weigh myself almost every day. I am a data geek, and I find lots of data points more enlightening than once a week. It's all about how you handle the data once you have it.
I added Happy Scale to my phone for this purpose but mentally it kills me to input an upward number....but I am trying anyway because I see the value in it.
Yeah, I mean some people can never get over the stress of seeing the scale bounce around every day, and for those people logging once a week or every other week is probably best. But if you can start to get used to the roller coaster ride and see the patterns in what your weight does the day after a restaurant meal, after a long hike, after a night of drinking, at your TOM, it can be fascinating and I think easier to figure out what your maintenance weight range should be
Yes! I find the information invaluable! It was especially useful over Christmas when I ended up doing a cookie binge during the time I was supposed to be eating at maintenance. At one point in that couple of weeks my weight was up by 8 lbs., but I was able to not panic and not over-correct because I had seen my weight go up before in response to eating unholy amounts of carbs when my carb intake is normally toward the moderate to lowish range. And sure enough, most of it went away when I went back to regular eating 5 -
HoneyBadger155 wrote: »Thankfully a number of people in my office are on diets/workout regimes. There's a whole group wanting to do a 5K together. This makes the work environment a lot more "friendly" to those conversations. If anything, the people doing nothing are probably the ones feeling shamed right now.
Shoot, I felt a little shamed for not being able to do the 5K thing (I physically cannot run after breaking my leg) - but at least I can mention something about my food choices or workouts and not have to defend it tooth and nail!
Maybe it's just being in the area I'm in, I don't find it to be quite as much of an issue here as it was where I grew up. Not that there aren't groups where I've noticed it being an issue, but really, it's kind of a "read the crowd" situation. If most of the folks there are overweight, probably don't really talk about it!
We've got a group of runners in our office, me being the last one to take it up.
I still don't talk food choices with them. We've got a vegetarian (the kind that eats fish), one who is adamant against aspartame and everything in between. I'm the only one of the group trying to lose weight, so I just keep on doing what's been working, albeit slower now.4 -
Most weight loss is in the kitchen, not the gym. Unless you are checking BMI, you have no idea what you lost if you're working out. I've lost 8 pounds in 3 days (yes water weight), but I haven't checked my BMI so I'm not that excited. My jeans are still tight so that's what matters.10
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DennysWifeMrsMattox wrote: »Most weight loss is in the kitchen, not the gym. Unless you are checking BMI, you have no idea what you lost if you're working out. I've lost 8 pounds in 3 days (yes water weight), but I haven't checked my BMI so I'm not that excited. My jeans are still tight so that's what matters.
Um, no. BMI is just a "measurement" relating weight to height. With BMI, you have no idea what you may have lost. BF% is what you'd want to track.10 -
janejellyroll wrote: »This is why I avoid diet/fitness/nutrition small talk with 99% of the people in my life. People don't know what they don't know and it's easier to talk about more pleasant topics simply not talk to them.
Agreed.19 -
I keep everything with a "this is what worked for me" attitude. Not every plan one tries will work for all. It all depends. In general its 80% diet and 20% exercise. I have seen a nutritionist and I go to a personal trainer and they make a plan based on the individual not the group, I find it works a little better than way. Even if you do the same exercise as someone you guys can be using different weights, forms could be different. It's easiest to focus on you. I have people that I work out with and talk about diets and stuff with more for support.4
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janejellyroll wrote: »This is why I avoid diet/fitness/nutrition small talk with 99% of the people in my life. People don't know what they don't know and it's easier to talk about more pleasant topics.
I'm going to disagree on principle. The absence of discussing sticky topics is one of the large contributing factors to the polarization of society. It is very necessary to purge that release valve periodically. Like any muscle or skill what we neglect atrophies and dies.
We are quickly losing the skill of conversation and the ability to agree to disagree.
Common ground is easily sought and of much more importance than uncommon ground.14
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