Regaining the weight fast, cannot stop overeating
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sam2018100 wrote: »When I started at the gym, I was there for about 20min 3x a week. When you start out it doesn't need to be a 3h round trip 5x a week. It sounds like you would benefit from a recomp and putting some muscle on, so find a beginner lifting program and go from there.
I have a all or nothing mentality. I think if I'm making my way there, then I might as well make the most of it. Plus, I'm usually very motivated for a month or so, before I give up.
Well if you go all out and then give up after a month, maybe a different approach is the way to go?
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Unfortunately, you're limiting your options quite a lot. It sounds like you have a fairly disordered mentality around weight and food, but you don't want to see a doctor or therapist. Perhaps there are some books you could read about eating disorders and how to develop a healthy relationship with food?
You are at a healthy BMI but don't like the way your body looks. Losing more weight isn't going to make you look "fit" or "toned" or "slim" - you need to work on building up the muscle under that skin and fat - you will die with no body fat, so you can't just keep losing weight, not to mention that I strongly suspect that your restrict and binge cycles are eating away at what muscle mass you do have, which isn't going to help your body image because it just leads to a higher body fat percentage, even at low weights. But if you won't exercise, you won't get that body you want.
I think the bottom line is that you need to think about what you really want, because right now you've backed yourself into a corner. It's important to take care of your health - I hope you find a path that works for you. Good luck!5 -
I think I am starting to sound like a broken record because it feels like this is the third time or so I am saying this these past few days.
You are 5ft 1", 115lbs, BMI 22 You have body fat level goals but you're not currently willing to put in the work in terms of exercise to accomplish muscle gain (or even any exercise based on your description) and thus you are under muscled and over-fat by your description and perception (which may or may not be in agreement with what others would perceive)
But guess what. At BMI 22 you are, with a very high degree of probability, NOT MEDICALLY OVER-FAT.
So, you have some fat. But your current mind-set and hormonal levels are not allowing you to deal with it the way you probably should which is by exercising and strength training while eating at maintenance as you're definitely in the don't lose weight it's time to recomp stage.
So. What do you think is more important. Protecting your effective loss of more than 50lbs which has you smack dab middle of the normal bmi range... or aiming for an extra 8lbs which you've already proven you have a hard time maintaining?
And if you're having a hard time eating at maintenance when you're 8lbs more than your goal... what happens when you're at goal?
Yes, your hormones have reacted to the way you lost weight. They tend to do that. Their job is to get you to eat more especially if you are trying to restrict. They are currently winning. You're not helping things by continuing to restrict. Normalisation happens at maintenance.
Fight to maintain your current weight and/or allow a very very slow regain till your hormonal levels stabilise as opposed to desperately fighting to lose more and achieving the opposite because of emotional reaction to perceived failure.
It is time to regroup and consolidate your wins. You may even need to allow for a partial regain, or may have to hold the line for a year or two, or both, till things normalise.
I see what you're saying, I agree with it, but I only wish I could somehow get myself to do what I know I should. I have joined the gym, managed to go regularly for a month, maybe just over, then I give up. I've tried YouTube workouts at home, again managed to do it regularly for a month or so, then I stop and give up. Maybe I'm hoping for faster results, which of course won't happen in such a short time, maybe I struggle too much with the amount of effort working out takes, maybe I hate how time-consuming it all is and eating less just seems easier. I think it's a combination off all those reasons, but whatever it is, I cannot stick to it.
I've never been at maintenance. Not at 107 lbs as I still wanted to lose more weight, so I was still eating 1300 calories. When I binge eat, it's often a punishment of sorts for allowing myself to be as fat as I am, to be still trying to lose weight so many years on. I desperately do want to stop binge eating and I think the only way forward would be to exercise, allowing me a bit more calories so I don't constantly feel so hungry. When I gain weight, it's never in increments. I can't do 'normal eating' at maintenance as you suggest, not when I still have weight to lose. Also, I don't quite know what that is and when I did the 2-week diet break, it only resulted in further binge eating. Allowing regain is out of the question.3 -
kommodevaran wrote: »
Then you know what you have to work on - your all or nothing mentality. This is hard work, much harder than starving yourself. But also way smarter.sam2018100 wrote: »When I started at the gym, I was there for about 20min 3x a week. When you start out it doesn't need to be a 3h round trip 5x a week. It sounds like you would benefit from a recomp and putting some muscle on, so find a beginner lifting program and go from there.
I have a all or nothing mentality. I think if I'm making my way there, then I might as well make the most of it. Plus, I'm usually very motivated for a month or so, before I give up.
I've only been working on it most of my life! Hopefully get there soon
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sam2018100 wrote: »I think I am starting to sound like a broken record because it feels like this is the third time or so I am saying this these past few days.
You are 5ft 1", 115lbs, BMI 22 You have body fat level goals but you're not currently willing to put in the work in terms of exercise to accomplish muscle gain (or even any exercise based on your description) and thus you are under muscled and over-fat by your description and perception (which may or may not be in agreement with what others would perceive)
But guess what. At BMI 22 you are, with a very high degree of probability, NOT MEDICALLY OVER-FAT.
So, you have some fat. But your current mind-set and hormonal levels are not allowing you to deal with it the way you probably should which is by exercising and strength training while eating at maintenance as you're definitely in the don't lose weight it's time to recomp stage.
So. What do you think is more important. Protecting your effective loss of more than 50lbs which has you smack dab middle of the normal bmi range... or aiming for an extra 8lbs which you've already proven you have a hard time maintaining?
And if you're having a hard time eating at maintenance when you're 8lbs more than your goal... what happens when you're at goal?
Yes, your hormones have reacted to the way you lost weight. They tend to do that. Their job is to get you to eat more especially if you are trying to restrict. They are currently winning. You're not helping things by continuing to restrict. Normalisation happens at maintenance.
Fight to maintain your current weight and/or allow a very very slow regain till your hormonal levels stabilise as opposed to desperately fighting to lose more and achieving the opposite because of emotional reaction to perceived failure.
It is time to regroup and consolidate your wins. You may even need to allow for a partial regain, or may have to hold the line for a year or two, or both, till things normalise.
I see what you're saying, I agree with it, but I only wish I could somehow get myself to do what I know I should. I have joined the gym, managed to go regularly for a month, maybe just over, then I give up. I've tried YouTube workouts at home, again managed to do it regularly for a month or so, then I stop and give up. Maybe I'm hoping for faster results, which of course won't happen in such a short time, maybe I struggle too much with the amount of effort working out takes, maybe I hate how time-consuming it all is and eating less just seems easier. I think it's a combination off all those reasons, but whatever it is, I cannot stick to it.
I've never been at maintenance. Not at 107 lbs as I still wanted to lose more weight, so I was still eating 1300 calories. When I binge eat, it's often a punishment of sorts for allowing myself to be as fat as I am, to be still trying to lose weight so many years on. I desperately do want to stop binge eating and I think the only way forward would be to exercise, allowing me a bit more calories so I don't constantly feel so hungry. When I gain weight, it's never in increments. I can't do 'normal eating' at maintenance as you suggest, not when I still have weight to lose. Also, I don't quite know what that is and when I did the 2-week diet break, it only resulted in further binge eating. Allowing regain is out of the question.
If you still feel like you have to lose weight, even when you were 5 ft 1" and 107 lbs, I would say you likely have an eating disorder that you should seek medical attention for.8 -
Look up Paul Revelia and reverse dieting on youtube and the redefine healthy radio podcast. I know you don't want to gain and I know you want to reach a specific number, but the sad hard truth is that you won't get there. And if you do by crazy restriction you won't be able to maintain.
After so much time in a deficit you need to give your body a break and let the hormones and adaptive processes reverse.4 -
sam2018100 wrote: »sam2018100 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »Maybe you should speak to your doctor about this.
I haven't seen my doctor since I was a teenager, many years ago. I don't intend to go see her now, she's unhelpful and rude. I want to help myself, before I regain all the weight back.
If the current doctor you have is unhelpful and rude, you should probably find a different one. You should be getting an annual physical where they do standard blood work. Sometimes, they find things in the lab work that indicate something is not right, and waiting before getting treatment can severely limit options.
I don't even think they do checkups, not for people my age. Think that's for people 50+, or maybe 40+ in the UK. I've never had a reason to go thankfully, so I've just kept her.
Wtf? You're trying to tel me they don't have women doing a Pap smear until after 40 or 50?! I call b.s.
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sam2018100 wrote: »I think I am starting to sound like a broken record because it feels like this is the third time or so I am saying this these past few days.
You are 5ft 1", 115lbs, BMI 22 You have body fat level goals but you're not currently willing to put in the work in terms of exercise to accomplish muscle gain (or even any exercise based on your description) and thus you are under muscled and over-fat by your description and perception (which may or may not be in agreement with what others would perceive)
But guess what. At BMI 22 you are, with a very high degree of probability, NOT MEDICALLY OVER-FAT.
So, you have some fat. But your current mind-set and hormonal levels are not allowing you to deal with it the way you probably should which is by exercising and strength training while eating at maintenance as you're definitely in the don't lose weight it's time to recomp stage.
So. What do you think is more important. Protecting your effective loss of more than 50lbs which has you smack dab middle of the normal bmi range... or aiming for an extra 8lbs which you've already proven you have a hard time maintaining?
And if you're having a hard time eating at maintenance when you're 8lbs more than your goal... what happens when you're at goal?
Yes, your hormones have reacted to the way you lost weight. They tend to do that. Their job is to get you to eat more especially if you are trying to restrict. They are currently winning. You're not helping things by continuing to restrict. Normalisation happens at maintenance.
Fight to maintain your current weight and/or allow a very very slow regain till your hormonal levels stabilise as opposed to desperately fighting to lose more and achieving the opposite because of emotional reaction to perceived failure.
It is time to regroup and consolidate your wins. You may even need to allow for a partial regain, or may have to hold the line for a year or two, or both, till things normalise.
I see what you're saying, I agree with it, but I only wish I could somehow get myself to do what I know I should. I have joined the gym, managed to go regularly for a month, maybe just over, then I give up. I've tried YouTube workouts at home, again managed to do it regularly for a month or so, then I stop and give up. Maybe I'm hoping for faster results, which of course won't happen in such a short time, maybe I struggle too much with the amount of effort working out takes, maybe I hate how time-consuming it all is and eating less just seems easier. I think it's a combination off all those reasons, but whatever it is, I cannot stick to it.
I've never been at maintenance. Not at 107 lbs as I still wanted to lose more weight, so I was still eating 1300 calories. When I binge eat, it's often a punishment of sorts for allowing myself to be as fat as I am, to be still trying to lose weight so many years on. I desperately do want to stop binge eating and I think the only way forward would be to exercise, allowing me a bit more calories so I don't constantly feel so hungry. When I gain weight, it's never in increments. I can't do 'normal eating' at maintenance as you suggest, not when I still have weight to lose. Also, I don't quite know what that is and when I did the 2-week diet break, it only resulted in further binge eating. Allowing regain is out of the question.
A couple of things about the bolded. Also I have no answers for you other than you get what you put in your efforts, and opening your mind and trusting the process will get you very far and all this you are doing is for the long haul and it does take work..
1) If you did your diet break/refeed accurately you would have indeed eaten at maintenance. Did you just add back a very small amount of calories thinking this was taking a deficit break.
2) Because you still had more weight you wanted to lose at 107, you most likely did not allow yourself to trust the process enough to work on finding your maintenance, so the diet break you took was not a real diet break.
Diet breaks can reset many things, your hormones, this includes your hunger as well, it also about taking a mental break as well. If you have not read about it may you should. Just some thoughts.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10604863/of-refeeds-and-diet-breaks/p14 -
sam2018100 wrote: »
I don't even think they do checkups, not for people my age. Think that's for people 50+, or maybe 40+ in the UK. I've never had a reason to go thankfully, so I've just kept her.
You have the right to change your NHS doctor any time you like so if you don't find the one you have to be helpful, look into changing surgeries. Also, you can get a full check up by request. You don't have to wait for them to offer one (in fact, if you did change surgeries, they'll probably do one as a matter of course). Request a longer appointment and tell them what you want. They work for you.5 -
Look up Paul Revelia and reverse dieting on youtube and the redefine healthy radio podcast. I know you don't want to gain and I know you want to reach a specific number, but the sad hard truth is that you won't get there. And if you do by crazy restriction you won't be able to maintain.
After so much time in a deficit you need to give your body a break and let the hormones and adaptive processes reverse.
Paul Revelia is good! Layne Norton. DR Joe K. Mike Isreartol, yes I know I spelled it wrong, Aragon, Helms. All very smart people with years of fitness nutrition. I am currently working with Jame Kreiger who is brilliant in his own right.2 -
sam2018100 wrote: »sam2018100 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »Maybe you should speak to your doctor about this.
I haven't seen my doctor since I was a teenager, many years ago. I don't intend to go see her now, she's unhelpful and rude. I want to help myself, before I regain all the weight back.
If the current doctor you have is unhelpful and rude, you should probably find a different one. You should be getting an annual physical where they do standard blood work. Sometimes, they find things in the lab work that indicate something is not right, and waiting before getting treatment can severely limit options.
I don't even think they do checkups, not for people my age. Think that's for people 50+, or maybe 40+ in the UK. I've never had a reason to go thankfully, so I've just kept her.
Wtf? You're trying to tel me they don't have women doing a Pap smear until after 40 or 50?! I call b.s.
Perhaps they do, but I think it would be the nurse you'd see, not doctor. Also, I'm 21 so they don't for my age.4 -
sam2018100 wrote: »sam2018100 wrote: »sam2018100 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »Maybe you should speak to your doctor about this.
I haven't seen my doctor since I was a teenager, many years ago. I don't intend to go see her now, she's unhelpful and rude. I want to help myself, before I regain all the weight back.
If the current doctor you have is unhelpful and rude, you should probably find a different one. You should be getting an annual physical where they do standard blood work. Sometimes, they find things in the lab work that indicate something is not right, and waiting before getting treatment can severely limit options.
I don't even think they do checkups, not for people my age. Think that's for people 50+, or maybe 40+ in the UK. I've never had a reason to go thankfully, so I've just kept her.
Wtf? You're trying to tel me they don't have women doing a Pap smear until after 40 or 50?! I call b.s.
Perhaps they do, but I think it would be the nurse you'd see, not doctor. Also, I'm 21 so they don't for my age.
Yes, they do. I saw my NHS doctor (not a nurse) once a year for a wellness visit and to check on my perscription when I lived in the UK age 18-24. Something is not adding up here.4 -
I see what you're saying, I agree with it, but I only wish I could somehow get myself to do what I know I should. I have joined the gym, managed to go regularly for a month, maybe just over, then I give up. I've tried YouTube workouts at home, again managed to do it regularly for a month or so, then I stop and give up. Maybe I'm hoping for faster results, which of course won't happen in such a short time, maybe I struggle too much with the amount of effort working out takes, maybe I hate how time-consuming it all is and eating less just seems easier. I think it's a combination off all those reasons, but whatever it is, I cannot stick to it.
I've never been at maintenance. Not at 107 lbs as I still wanted to lose more weight, so I was still eating 1300 calories. When I binge eat, it's often a punishment of sorts for allowing myself to be as fat as I am, to be still trying to lose weight so many years on. I desperately do want to stop binge eating and I think the only way forward would be to exercise, allowing me a bit more calories so I don't constantly feel so hungry. When I gain weight, it's never in increments. I can't do 'normal eating' at maintenance as you suggest, not when I still have weight to lose. Also, I don't quite know what that is and when I did the 2-week diet break, it only resulted in further binge eating. Allowing regain is out of the question.
A couple of things about the bolded. Also I have no answers for you other than you get what you put in your efforts, and opening your mind and trusting the process will get you very far and all this you are doing is for the long haul and it does take work..
1) If you did your diet break/refeed accurately you would have indeed eaten at maintenance. Did you just add back a very small amount of calories thinking this was taking a deficit break.
2) Because you still had more weight you wanted to lose at 107, you most likely did not allow yourself to trust the process enough to work on finding your maintenance, so the diet break you took was not a real diet break.
Diet breaks can reset many things, your hormones, this includes your hunger as well, it also about taking a mental break as well. If you have not read about it may you should. Just some thoughts.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10604863/of-refeeds-and-diet-breaks/p1
I ate around 1700 calories, during those almost 2 weeks, but the last 3 days of that 2-week break, I ended up binge eating. Prior to this diet break I was eating 1200 calories, so it was more than enough of an increase. I was also working out 5 days a week, hence the larger amount of calories.
Also, I wanted to add that the almost 60 lbs I lost was not fast weight loss. It took my almost 2 years to lose the weight slowly. I hadn't binged in over a year and a half, but once I did, since then it's been happening again almost monthly.0 -
sam2018100 wrote: »I see what you're saying, I agree with it, but I only wish I could somehow get myself to do what I know I should.
I've never been at maintenance. Not at 107 lbs as I still wanted to lose more weight, so I was still eating 1300 calories. When I binge eat, it's often a punishment of sorts for allowing myself to be as fat as I am, to be still trying to lose weight so many years on. I desperately do want to stop binge eating and I think the only way forward would be to exercise, allowing me a bit more calories so I don't constantly feel so hungry. When I gain weight, it's never in increments. I can't do 'normal eating' at maintenance as you suggest, not when I still have weight to lose. Also, I don't quite know what that is and when I did the 2-week diet break, it only resulted in further binge eating. Allowing regain is out of the question.
@VintageFeline @collectingblues @Nony_Mouse0 -
psychod787 wrote: »Look up Paul Revelia and reverse dieting on youtube and the redefine healthy radio podcast. I know you don't want to gain and I know you want to reach a specific number, but the sad hard truth is that you won't get there. And if you do by crazy restriction you won't be able to maintain.
After so much time in a deficit you need to give your body a break and let the hormones and adaptive processes reverse.
Paul Revelia is good! Layne Norton. DR Joe K. Mike Isreartol, yes I know I spelled it wrong, Aragon, Helms. All very smart people with years of fitness nutrition. I am currently working with Jame Kreiger who is brilliant in his own right.
Completely agree. People are quick on the woo button, but I'd certainly listen to these guys over a bunch of random strangers on a forum.
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psychod787 wrote: »Look up Paul Revelia and reverse dieting on youtube and the redefine healthy radio podcast. I know you don't want to gain and I know you want to reach a specific number, but the sad hard truth is that you won't get there. And if you do by crazy restriction you won't be able to maintain.
After so much time in a deficit you need to give your body a break and let the hormones and adaptive processes reverse.
Paul Revelia is good! Layne Norton. DR Joe K. Mike Isreartol, yes I know I spelled it wrong, Aragon, Helms. All very smart people with years of fitness nutrition. I am currently working with Jame Kreiger who is brilliant in his own right.
Completely agree. People are quick on the woo button, but I'd certainly listen to these guys over a bunch of random strangers on a forum.
Whoa, random strangers who have been there and done that on this fitness site...this is getting silly now *frowns*4 -
sam2018100 wrote: »sam2018100 wrote: »sam2018100 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »Maybe you should speak to your doctor about this.
I haven't seen my doctor since I was a teenager, many years ago. I don't intend to go see her now, she's unhelpful and rude. I want to help myself, before I regain all the weight back.
If the current doctor you have is unhelpful and rude, you should probably find a different one. You should be getting an annual physical where they do standard blood work. Sometimes, they find things in the lab work that indicate something is not right, and waiting before getting treatment can severely limit options.
I don't even think they do checkups, not for people my age. Think that's for people 50+, or maybe 40+ in the UK. I've never had a reason to go thankfully, so I've just kept her.
Wtf? You're trying to tel me they don't have women doing a Pap smear until after 40 or 50?! I call b.s.
Perhaps they do, but I think it would be the nurse you'd see, not doctor. Also, I'm 21 so they don't for my age.
Yes, they do. I saw my NHS doctor (not a nurse) once a year for a wellness visit and to check on my perscription when I lived in the UK. Something is not adding up here.
The last time I saw my doctor was when I was 13/14, when I first joined up. I've rarely been sick, maybe the odd cold/flu, and I never take medication, not even paracetamol. I have never been since and have never been invited to a checkup. Even if I was, I would refuse. I don't like people invading my private space, I would never choose to go unless I was terribly unwell. Just the way some people are.2 -
sam2018100 wrote: »sam2018100 wrote: »sam2018100 wrote: »sam2018100 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »Maybe you should speak to your doctor about this.
I haven't seen my doctor since I was a teenager, many years ago. I don't intend to go see her now, she's unhelpful and rude. I want to help myself, before I regain all the weight back.
If the current doctor you have is unhelpful and rude, you should probably find a different one. You should be getting an annual physical where they do standard blood work. Sometimes, they find things in the lab work that indicate something is not right, and waiting before getting treatment can severely limit options.
I don't even think they do checkups, not for people my age. Think that's for people 50+, or maybe 40+ in the UK. I've never had a reason to go thankfully, so I've just kept her.
Wtf? You're trying to tel me they don't have women doing a Pap smear until after 40 or 50?! I call b.s.
Perhaps they do, but I think it would be the nurse you'd see, not doctor. Also, I'm 21 so they don't for my age.
Yes, they do. I saw my NHS doctor (not a nurse) once a year for a wellness visit and to check on my perscription when I lived in the UK. Something is not adding up here.
The last time I saw my doctor was when I was 13/14, when I first joined up. I've rarely been sick, maybe the odd cold/flu, and I never take medication, not even paracetamol. I have never been since and have never been invited to a checkup. Even if I was, I would refuse. I don't like people invading my private space, I would never choose to go unless I was terribly unwell. Just the way some people are.
Ok, it's your decision. What I will say is that continuing to try lose weight once you are at a healthy weight can lead to all kinds of permanent health problems. The best advice I can give you is either accept yourself as you are now, or make it a priority to get to the gym on a regular basis. Maybe find a friend who can go with you to make the passing of the time easier.
Losing more weight isn't going to get you what you want, and may likely bring a host of health problems that you don't want or need...some of which are irreversible.6 -
sam2018100 wrote: »
At a quick glance to me 1700 sounds low for maintenance, but I don't know your stats or anything about you weight loss history. I added some thoughts to what I saw briefly and reviewing some of your comments.
I would be curious what exactly you did after you ended the 1700 diet break to try and figure out what might be wrong health wise, etc as in maybe a check up with my doctor. I might also have started reviewing my diet/macros and exercise regime at length, cause there is an under lying cause/reason, could be diet, health/medical or psychological, etc.. Anyways good luck.3 -
nexangelus wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Look up Paul Revelia and reverse dieting on youtube and the redefine healthy radio podcast. I know you don't want to gain and I know you want to reach a specific number, but the sad hard truth is that you won't get there. And if you do by crazy restriction you won't be able to maintain.
After so much time in a deficit you need to give your body a break and let the hormones and adaptive processes reverse.
Paul Revelia is good! Layne Norton. DR Joe K. Mike Isreartol, yes I know I spelled it wrong, Aragon, Helms. All very smart people with years of fitness nutrition. I am currently working with Jame Kreiger who is brilliant in his own right.
Completely agree. People are quick on the woo button, but I'd certainly listen to these guys over a bunch of random strangers on a forum.
Whoa, random strangers who have been there and done that on this fitness site...this is getting silly now *frowns*
We might be strangers, but I think most people in the community care about each other. Even we have not met. I mean I got Woo'ed for stating the science behind part of what this young lady is going through. I can also state that I have/am still going through some of the things she is. Even the body dis-morphia! I actually talk to a therapist about it. I am not too proud to say it. It is hard for me still and it seems like I have more help/ resources than she does Dynamic weight loss, more than 30% of your body mass does certain things to people. I feel for her. I also think listening to other people can help. PAV888 seems to me to be a great resource! IMHO4
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