Stay where I am or increase calories??
myfpsummer
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I’m currently not really meeting a set calorie goal I just go with how the day goes and I’m maintaining my weight. I’m going away in 3 weeks time skiing for a week so I’ll be very active. I’m wondering wether to increase my daily intake from now until then and then from that week on reduce it because I’ll more than likely be eating less on holiday because of being on the slopes all day. My thinking is to get my body in a pattern of having slightly more calories so then I can cut them down without dropping to an amount that’s too low.
(Extra info: I’m female, my height is 157cm and weight is 40kg)
(Extra info: I’m female, my height is 157cm and weight is 40kg)
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You are severely underweight. Increase your calories for sure and don't cut them on your trip. If you even have the energy to ski.16
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Jeebers, 40kgs?? Increase your calories now, and keep them there..11
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Definitely increase your calories when skiing.
I find dried fruit/nut/chocolate mix to be the best snack for skiing. You can fit it into your jacket and eat while in lift lines. Because nuts and chocolate are so calorie dense, the small baggy I pack for ski days is ~500 calories.
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Ouch.
My friend with such a dire need to increase your weight.... is there a reason you are so active?
I mean, you're on serious potential problems because of low weight territory and the simple and honest truth is that you should increase your calories now and during your trip and after.
And to be very honest you should be restricting your activity until you have regained sufficient weight to probably at least reach a BMI of 20 from the approximately 16.2 you're at.
Yes, yes, BMI is not perfect, but, honesty compels to say that if you had pneumonia you would be cancelling your ski trip and your current activities till you healed.
Your current weight is as dangerous as pneumonia would be for an otherwise healthy individual.
Nothing but best wishes but...10 -
Definitely increase your calories when skiing.
I find dried fruit/nut/chocolate mix to be the best snack for skiing. You can fit it into your jacket and eat while in lift lines. Because nuts and chocolate are so calorie dense, the small baggy I pack for ski days is ~500 calories.
Thanks for these tips I think they’ll be really helpful, I’ll definitely try them3 -
Ouch.
My friend with such a dire need to increase your weight.... is there a reason you are so active?
I mean, you're on serious potential problems because of low weight territory and the simple and honest truth is that you should increase your calories now and during your trip and after.
And to be very honest you should be restricting your activity until you have regained sufficient weight to probably at least reach a BMI of 20 from the approximately 16.2 you're at.
Yes, yes, BMI is not perfect, but, honesty compels to say that if you had pneumonia you would be cancelling your ski trip and your current activities till you healed.
Your current weight is as dangerous as pneumonia would be for an otherwise healthy individual.
Nothing but best wishes but...
Thanks for your reply, the reason for the activity is that it’s just a planned family holiday, normally I do 4 dance classes a week and walking but I’m not very active.
With regards to the calories, the current amount I’m at is not a low amount (usually wavering around 1600) How much/to what amount would you recommend I’d increase to?
Again thanks for your feedback it’s very helpful2 -
myfpsummer wrote: »Definitely increase your calories when skiing.
I find dried fruit/nut/chocolate mix to be the best snack for skiing. You can fit it into your jacket and eat while in lift lines. Because nuts and chocolate are so calorie dense, the small baggy I pack for ski days is ~500 calories.
Thanks for these tips I think they’ll be really helpful, I’ll definitely try them
I think you should also heed the other advice in this thread to increase your weight too.6 -
@MichelleSilverleaf @Christine_72 @malibu927
Thank you all for your advice, I’ll definitely take it all on board2 -
You are seriously under weight.
Please don't restrict your calories.
Up your calories by 250-500 a day. Aim for a minimum weight of 98-100 lbs, 45kg.
Cheers, h.
(155cm, 46kg,)4 -
Yes OP you are seriously underweight so you need to eat more.... and then eat some more.0
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Question.... are you 18 yet or still in your earlier teens in which case standard BMI may or may not be an appropriate guide?
A focus on dance, a low BMI, and a non standard view of eating seem to often go together...
@VintageFeline ?4 -
You are severely underweight. You need to increase your calories, regardless.3
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myfpsummer wrote: »With regards to the calories, the current amount I’m at is not a low amount (usually wavering around 1600)
Nobody can really know your specific caloric needs, of course, as they depend on your body and true activity level.
Have a look at the link below at the various "average" caloric needs as suggested by our good friends at Health Canada and grouped by age.
Read the definitions of the levels very very carefully. You are NOT sedentary. And it is painfully obvious from your current weight that 1600 = under-eating.
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/food-nutrition/canada-food-guide/food-guide-basics/estimated-energy-requirements.html
Now whether this under-eating is accidental or on purpose to fit in with a desire to dance/dance career/peer pressure/I am not sure what else... that's a different story!
What I can tell you, for sure, is that many people who at a young age restrict their calories severely end up with various levels of health problems down the road. Whether the restrictions are the result or the cause of the problems... that I do not know...
Take care of yourself.
ETA: just to be clear: by the Health Canada definition YOU are "active".5 -
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Based on your activity and a target weight in the 46kg to 50kg range (which would put you between BMI 18.5 and 20, which are in the bottom end of the healthy weight range for your height)... you calories ought to be closer to 2350 to maintain at that weight level.
Surprise, surprise... the health Canada web site would have you, based on a mythical average active female of your age, at between 2400 and 2350 Cal a day to maintain.4 -
I've been where you are .. I'm sending support and hugs... You may want to check in with your Dr and dietician..just to ensure you are getting all the right nutrients in your daily intake.3
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@PAV8888
So would it be better to increase gradually or just go ahead and do it?
Also as a matter of interest how would I work out what my daily calorie requirement is at the weight I am now? I’m just wondering as then I could figure out a gradual way to gain rather than doing it very quickly
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myfpsummer wrote: »@PAV8888
So would it be better to increase gradually or just go ahead and do it?
Also as a matter of interest how would I work out what my daily calorie requirement is at the weight I am now? I’m just wondering as then I could figure out a gradual way to gain rather than doing it very quickly
You really need to see a dietitian and an eating disorder treatment team. At your weight, you're at risk for refeeding syndrome, and you cannot manage this safely on your own.0 -
@collectingblues I am grateful for the reply but ib confused as before I posted this discussion nobody had expressed concern for my weight0
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myfpsummer wrote: »@collectingblues I am grateful for the reply but ib confused as before I posted this discussion nobody had expressed concern for my weight
Do people around you in real life know what you weigh?0 -
Do people around you in real life know what you weigh? [/quote]
No, only my gp
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And how long has it been since you've seen your GP?
Frankly, unless you're not being truthful about your age, I'm side-eyeing any GP who sees someone with a BMI of 16.2, and doesn't say anything about it.1 -
collectingblues wrote: »And how long has it been since you've seen your GP?
Frankly, unless you're not being truthful about your age, I'm side-eyeing any GP who sees someone with a BMI of 16.2, and doesn't say anything about it.
Ummm I think it was about 3 weeks ago? I’m not lying about my age, I do appreciate your comment and I don’t want this to turn negative, I realise from this discussion that it needs to change.
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Eat more!!0
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There are a few things to consider here.
You can check sites such as smartbmi.com (or any other BMI site) to evaluate your BMI. These figures are valid for adults and indicate general levels where weight becomes a concern. They are not specific to one person and are not the ranges used for growing teens where percentiles are used instead. They become "valid" at 18 and younger people are sometimes more ok on the lower end than older people if the younger people are still growing up.
Dance/balarina culture is notorious for promoting thin to a degree that outside that culture is viewed closer to an eating disorder than not. This is born out by the multitudes of people who fight and recover (or fail to) from eating disorders that start in their teens and are often associated with gymnastics, dance, modeling, acting and similar excessively body image conscious pursuits.
While you're at it, Google female athlete triad which has to do with energy availability. Some people even experience delayed growth spurts once they have the energy their body needs. Unsure as to physiology and when growth plates close and all that. I'm not in the field nor do I know enough about it other than know, anecdotally, that it can happen.
So what next becomes the next question.
It is very good news that nobody has expressed any concerns about your weight to date. It could be that all of us without the ability to see you, who are just punching numbers in a calculator and looking at averages, have no real cause for concern.
Usually it would be a doctor or health professional who would be consulted about the General State of one's health. And the state of one's health does include their weight.
And weighing oneself wearing ski boots and winter coats might give an inattentive doctor information that may not help them come to the right decision!!! (I am referencing another thread where people often go to the pharmacy to weigh themselves wearing different clothes and shoes and having eaten and drunk different amounts of liquid).
Ok. Back to you.
I am not as concerned with refeeding syndrome as that seems to mostly affect people who have been eating even less than you. Doesn't mean you shouldn't visit your doctor once in a while and have the occasional check up. But I don't know if I would personally panic if you really have been eating 1600+ calories.
So you're asking about increasing your calories and whether you should do it in one fell scoop or not.
But, here is the thing.
Objectively, you are not only not overweight, you are not even normal weight.
So I can understand why a person who is at the top end of normal weight and getting in danger of starting to have health problems, I can understand why at the age of 18 that person would find themselves here in order to get a hold of their eating habits.
But why would a person who does not have a "too much weight" problem be worried about or even know how much food they're eating?
The correct answer, absent any issues, as to how much food you should eat is as much as you want to!
In other word you should be free feeding and letting your body regulate itself unless you have discovered that either physiologically or psychologically you're one of the many people where free feeding without restriction and brain engagement does not work well.
So to your question the correct answer is you should be eating as much as you feel like eating without restriction and you should be gaining weight till you're reliably at a BMI 20.x weight.
Why 20 when 18.5 is already in the normal range? Because many post ED refeeding protocols have a target weight range of at least BMI 20 both for the reversal of brain chemistry changes that can take place during restriction and to have a small hedge against regression. Some go as far as bmi 22.
Now. I don't know how you know you're eating 1600, or why you were worried about eating more since you were underweight, or why you're managing your weight etc in the first place.
If there is an issue there, sorting it out while you're younger and before you permanently damage your health will result in a much better outcome for you over the majority of your life. Which I sure hope is in front of you!!! Don't spend the next 30 years fighting what you might be able to address today!
Eating more and / or more calorically dense items will make you gain weight.
Minimums for women, in my view, would be 0.35 if not 0.4g of healthy fats per lb at target weight, 0.8g to 1g of protein per lb at target weight, 26g fiber, the rest a mix of carbs, protein, and healthy fats to bring the calories up to your activity level. Per kg these would be x 2.2
I used scooby's accurate calorie calculator. Your level is closer to the most active level than to the next lower one.
Or sailrabbit. I eye balled you at an activity factor of about 1.65 based on your description and used a target weight at bmi 20 and maintenance level of calories. I personally would be surprised if your activity factor isn't actually higher.
Just as an aside MFP active is 1.6, very active 1.8 and I average about 1.9 on the basis of nothing more than walking my pestering dog while taking on the phone (at an average of approximately 19k steps a day)
After an initial bump up because of extra food in your system 2350ish would be less of a fast weight gain than most recovery protocols i have heard about. Protocols bump people up fast to 2500 and go up to 3000 while simultaneously restricting *all* activity.
Again if you haven't spoken to a doctor and especially if there is more going on than what you have officially shared I would really urge you to speak to one!
Otherwise.... why just not go out there and enjoy all da foodz...without even worrying about counting them?!?5 -
Now, if you do need to count in order to eat sufficiently or are excessively worried about gain and rate of gain, that's where the mental aspect comes into play and where it becomes important to differentiate between healthy concern about healthy musculature and fat levels and an unhealthy relationship with body, food, and exercise.
And if that exists trying to nip it in the bud would be oh so very helpful for a happy life!
If you really want to play with this beyond just going for it, you may want to check out: https://www.supertracker.usda.gov/bwp/ in expert mode.
I would use as input for your current activity values 1.7.
You could easily be 1.9 or higher.
Or you can self evaluate what the activity factor would be by clicking "estimate your level"
To go from where you're now to basically 50kg you're talking a good 6 months of eating not just what you're needing to maintain but actually more than that.
You may want to ask other questions from people who have done things like this because I think that curtailing activity now so as to need to over-eat slightly less may not be a terrible idea in terms of longer term success.2
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