ketogenic diet anyone?
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laralosingit42
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Anyone do this diet? i am looking at it and I do know it is very little carbs...but does it keep you from feeling hungry and does it work?
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Lots of people are doing keto. It works for some, doesn't work for others. If you're satisfied by carbs or protein you're probably going to have a real hard time on it.2
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Is there a reason you want to eat very few carbs?
Many people find it keeps them from feeling hungry -- not everyone. And it works for a many people -- again, not everyone. But it works because it helps some people to eat fewer calories than they burn -- and that works for everyone. The trick is to find a way of eating that helps you lose weight and that you feel comfortable with.
What kind of foods do you like?4 -
I did it and I loved it at the time. However I was missing certain things like rice that I couldn’t satisfy with substitutes. Each cheat meal that knocked me out of ketosis would lead to weight gain and ultimately I decided it wasn’t sustainable for me.
Now I still avoid breads and Rices for the most part (trigger foods) but I am not feeling guilty when I occasionally cheat.2 -
I did it and lost weight instantly but right when I went back to eating carbs I gained it all back. It kept me full but I was not satisfied.3
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Good to know. Thank you !2
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I'm two months into a keto regimen right now. My experience is that it is a pretty satisfying way to diet, what with the need to derive the majority of your calories from fatty foods. Second to that, while I miss me some carbs, the hunger levels aren't too significant because of how... well... glutted the fatty foods make you feel. I have also started layering in some IF, so the binge/fast cycle is really well served by keto in my opinion.
I will say that I have had to search and locate a good supplement (my stomach doesn't well with regular pill vitamins) because it seems like keto has more than the normal amount of nutritional holes when eating this way.
I am looking to lose 100 pounds (so my case is pretty extreme), but I am getting tremendous results, thus far.3 -
A lot of people (not saying those that have posted here), complain about gaining weight back immediately when stopping keto. The thing with keto is that the unusually fast early loss is mostly water as this routine depletes glycogen stores quickly. (Almost all programs start with a fairly quick water weight loss, but keto is more dramatic).
Because keto empties glycogen stores, when you stop it, you immediately store glycogen again....meaning there is an immediate weight - not fat - gain.
As mentioned, keto works for a lot of people. And those who are satisfied doing it have great results. But it works via a calorie deficit when it comes to fat loss. Just like every other weight loss program out there.
I have heard that keto inhibits strength training somewhat, but since I don't do keto, I can't tell you whether that's the case for me. I do know that lifting in a deficit results in slower strength gains - maybe keto magnifies that, but I can't say for sure.4 -
Right now I´m into a paleolithic diet, it´s a little bit different but i think that the main principles are the same.
Seven months ago I got injured and I started to gain weigth, as much as 24 pounds, because I kept eating like always
My nutricionist told me that a paleo can work for me, because of my conditions, I mean because of my injury I can´t even walk, so my phisycal activity was near 0.
I have done it for 5 weeks, and I have lost 12 pounds, that it´s amazing, because I never had hungry, my levels of energy are very good, and my overall health is improving.
I agree with some comments, it´s nor for everyone, you have to be very strict with what you eat, and also have to consider when you are eating out. I alway carry my food, at first people sees you like a freak, but nothing you can´t handle.
Before you get started, I recomend you to read a lot, in amazon you can find many books, also you can look for some good blogs.
It is a good idea to have a good check up before you start, so this way you can be safe and healty.
Best of luck, enjoy your journey.1 -
I started in August. Lost 45 lbs by the 1st of the year. Then I got off of it for a few months. I gained about 4 lbs back. I was really careful with what I at getting off of it. No processed carbs. Just mainly more fruit and nuts. I just needed a break but I have t hit my goal yet so I am back on as of yesterday. I still want to lose 20 more lbs.
I absolutely love this diet! It takes about a month for your body to adjust when you first start. So workouts were a little rough at first but once I became adjusted, I never felt better! My runs were improving and I had so much energy! My anxiety and depression went away. My hormones were more balanced. Plus it’s incredibly satisfying. I don’t feel like I’m starving myself. I get to eat good things!6 -
altairego21 wrote: »I did it and lost weight instantly but right when I went back to eating carbs I gained it all back. It kept me full but I was not satisfied.
Carbs isn't what *kitten* your diet.2 -
Silentpadna wrote: »A lot of people (not saying those that have posted here), complain about gaining weight back immediately when stopping keto. The thing with keto is that the unusually fast early loss is mostly water as this routine depletes glycogen stores quickly. (Almost all programs start with a fairly quick water weight loss, but keto is more dramatic).
Because keto empties glycogen stores, when you stop it, you immediately store glycogen again....meaning there is an immediate weight - not fat - gain.
As mentioned, keto works for a lot of people. And those who are satisfied doing it have great results. But it works via a calorie deficit when it comes to fat loss. Just like every other weight loss program out there.
I have heard that keto inhibits strength training somewhat, but since I don't do keto, I can't tell you whether that's the case for me. I do know that lifting in a deficit results in slower strength gains - maybe keto magnifies that, but I can't say for sure.
There are meta studies being done by Alan Aragon, so far keto has been inferior to building muscles compared to non keto dieters and it's normal, you lose water and glycogen which gives you a slight edge in strength. There's a reason 99% of elite athletes do not chose keto as a diet, it puts them at a disadvantage vs other competitors.
If you don't care about lifting or physical activities, then keto isn't better or worse than any other diet this is why I laugh when people treat the diet or any other diet like some religion fanatic. The real king is calories, but people who fail with calories is because they misweigh their food or not doing it properly unless they have a health issue that a doctor told them which would be an exception. A diet is only tool, nothing else. If you enjoy keto and it makes you cheat less, then go for it. But keto on it's own won't solve the issue especially if you still overeat and it's easy to do, just peanuts alone can go high up in the calories with little volume, olive oil too if you don't measure it or even peanut butter. Just because you eat high fatty foods, doesn't mean your body will just ignore the calories.
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altairego21 wrote: »I did it and lost weight instantly but right when I went back to eating carbs I gained it all back. It kept me full but I was not satisfied.
Ditto. Did keto for a year, then regained all the weight when I dove face-first back into carb heaven.2 -
If you are a volume eater, its not going to be beneficial. If you are satiated by carbs, its goijg to be beneficial. If you are satiated by fats and dont care about carbs and not doing any anearobic exercises, it might be for you. Ultimately, you will need to test it.
For me, i cut fat because it doesn't have any impact on my hunger.3 -
Keto Diet does not mean diet as in short term. It needs to be how a person eats for the rest of their lives. There are good ways to maintain your loss if you are done losing the weight. I am just starting out slowly by counting just the allowed number carbs this week. The fat helps you to feel satiated. The low carb includes very healthy vegies. If you go back to adding tons of carbs ...especially the wrong carbs.., of course you will gain weight. yes, we apparently lose a lot of weight at first and fast because of the water loss. We need to drink lots of water. Bone broth is very good in the Ketogenic plan. If you are hungry. It means you need more fat in your meals. If you have a craving for sweets, it often means your body needs more fat while in the keto diet. Keto does not inhibit elite athletes if done right. They will tell you how much extra salt, fat etc you need so you can do well at the gym. They will tell you what to eat right after too. There are very good sites out there. I learned most of it from an endocrinologist and he has youtubes to help explain it all. Main thing is to study it will and not just from one site.10
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altairego21 wrote: »I did it and lost weight instantly but right when I went back to eating carbs I gained it all back. It kept me full but I was not satisfied.
Why did you go back to carbs?1 -
laralosingit42 wrote: »Anyone do this diet? i am looking at it and I do know it is very little carbs...but does it keep you from feeling hungry and does it work?
Yes it works. And you don't have to get hungry... You just eat 80% fat, 20g or less of carbs coming from veggies. It helps insulin resistance and your body will run on ketones, which is a much finer way to burn fat, if you have been unable to do so on the standard high carb diet, which failed me. I lost lots of weight on keto, and I would never go back to the high or moderate carb diets, that cause blood sugar issues and glucose levels that can create overating. Examples of this nutritional protocol :Avacados, coconut oil(MCT) butter, fatty fish, eggs with yolks, chicken thighs with skin, high fatty sources of protien... Eat when hungry stop when not. You will stop the glucose waves when you get into ketosis. It's worth trying because it helped me and so many people with various weight issues, diabetes and other insulin sensitive people. Research it, don't listen to skeptics. Try it for yourself, as you will have to try it out to see if it's best for you...ultimately no one knows your body better than you.8 -
altairego21 wrote: »I did it and lost weight instantly but right when I went back to eating carbs I gained it all back. It kept me full but I was not satisfied.
Why did you go back to carbs?
Maybe because they are tasty and there is nothing inherently bad about them?
OP what is it that you’ve heard about keto that appeals to you? Are you doing it strictly for weight loss or for a medical condition? If weight loss - then keto works like any other program, by helping you create a calorie deficit. But that can be done eating any continuation of foods, there’s nothing magical about keto. That said, some people find it to be a satiating way of creating that calorie deficit, others feel deprived.
I think the best way to lose weight is to implement something sustainable - don’t cut out foods temporarily and expect to go back to eating them once the weight is gone without having some struggles. If you enjoy carbs - and I’m not just talking about cookies, cake and donuts but healthful things like potatoes, rice, lentils, starchy vegetables and fruits - and think it would be hard to limit them for an extended period or forever - then keto may not be right for you.4 -
laralosingit42 wrote: »Anyone do this diet? i am looking at it and I do know it is very little carbs...but does it keep you from feeling hungry and does it work?
Satiety is very individual. If you find fat satisfying and aren't a big fan of carbs to begin with, it may be a good way for you to achieve a calorie deficit.
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/2/21/16965122/keto-diet-reset
"...The more extreme a diet, the harder it is to adhere to, and the ketogenic diet is extreme. “But wait”, you say, “I’ve been on the ketogenic diet for five years and it’s easy!” That may be true, but randomized controlled trials don’t lie. The average person can’t even stick with the diet for six months, as judged by urinary ketone levels. The minority of people who find it easy, get good results, and stick with it are the ones who write about it on the Internet...."
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greenevalley88 wrote: »laralosingit42 wrote: »Anyone do this diet? i am looking at it and I do know it is very little carbs...but does it keep you from feeling hungry and does it work?
Yes it works. And you don't have to get hungry... You just eat 80% fat, 20g or less of carbs coming from veggies. It helps insulin resistance and your body will run on ketones, which is a much finer way to burn fat, if you have been unable to do so on the standard high carb diet, which failed me. I lost lots of weight on keto, and I would never go back to the high or moderate carb diets, that cause blood sugar issues and glucose levels that can create overating. Examples of this nutritional protocol :Avacados, coconut oil(MCT) butter, fatty fish, eggs with yolks, chicken thighs with skin, high fatty sources of protien... Eat when hungry stop when not. You will stop the glucose waves when you get into ketosis. It's worth trying because it helped me and so many people with various weight issues, diabetes and other insulin sensitive people. Research it, don't listen to skeptics. Try it for yourself, as you will have to try it out to see if it's best for you...ultimately no one knows your body better than you.
The bold isnt exactly true. Both fats and carbs are primary sources of fuel. Both burn fine and are utilized is different scenarios. Carbs/glycogen is utlized when there is a greater need for oxygen (aka anearobic times); this is why carb based diets are better for exercise, especially, one that requires explosive power. Fats tend to burn more often when a person is at rest or sleeping.
What is interesting though, is there can be huge variability in fat utilization when it comes to exercise. Some, once fat adapted, dont see much impact.... Others see huge performance degradation.2 -
Keto Diet does not mean diet as in short term. It needs to be how a person eats for the rest of their lives.
Wrong. A person needs to eat w/ in their calorie needs for the rest of their lives, regardless of macro split.
Anyone can easily transition from one way of eating to another, as long as they are conscious of the amt of calories they are stuffing into their face-hole.
The misinformation w/ the latest influx of noobs is exasperating...and I am a long time supporter of low carb/keto as a tool, but the nonsense is out of hand.
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