Chiropractic care
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This is all so interesting and timely. I was referred by Ortho to a Chiro for rehab for shoulder pain and went last night.
He took X-rays and said I have scoliosis, one leg shorter than the other and adrenal issues. If that’s all true, is a chiro the best option to help?
I’m pretty sure there’s actual physicians with doctorates for spine care, lol. I just don’t know what they’re called {shrug}1 -
This is all so interesting and timely. I was referred by Ortho to a Chiro for rehab for shoulder pain and went last night.
He took X-rays and said I have scoliosis, one leg shorter than the other and adrenal issues. If that’s all true, is a chiro the best option to help?
How do you tell adrenal issues from an X-ray?? this sounds like a woo-woo doc. Did he start talking about "adrenal fatigue", a woo diagnosis?
My sister believes in all sorts of woo medicine. When she had bronchitis, she went to her chiro. What does one have to do with the other?11 -
I recently started going to a chiropractor who was recommended to me because I was having some chronic pain issues in my neck and shoulder. The one I go to has been an athlete all her life and her approach involves integrating a lot of stretching and movement exercises that she showed me rather than just me going there and having her do the work. She honestly seems a bit more like a physical therapist to me, which I am fine with. She's a self proclaimed anatomy nerd and she's always trying to learn more about the body. She doesn't try to treat anything that isn't related to what she does or is supposed to do. I was a huge skeptic, but she has helped. My pain is pretty much gone. Honestly though, if she didn't come highly recommended by someone I respect, I might not have ever gone to her or any other chiro for that matter. I do think finding a good chiro is a crap shoot, and I got lucky.1
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This is all so interesting and timely. I was referred by Ortho to a Chiro for rehab for shoulder pain and went last night.
He took X-rays and said I have scoliosis, one leg shorter than the other and adrenal issues. If that’s all true, is a chiro the best option to help?
Wait, you have scoliosis and it wasn't diagnosed already? And no clue how he diagnosed the adrenal issues from a hard tissue imaging tool. One leg shorter than the other is pretty common claim https://somaticmovementcenter.com/uneven-leg-length-the-myth-of-uneven-leg-length/
I think I would get a medical opinion here.
My friend, the quack, told me I was going to have sway back. Nope, I deadlift nearly 500lbs and no back issues here.
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I recently started going to a chiropractor who was recommended to me because I was having some chronic pain issues in my neck and shoulder. The one I go to has been an athlete all her life and her approach involves integrating a lot of stretching and movement exercises that she showed me rather than just me going there and having her do the work. She honestly seems a bit more like a physical therapist to me, which I am fine with. She's a self proclaimed anatomy nerd and she's always trying to learn more about the body. She doesn't try to treat anything that isn't related to what she does or is supposed to do. I was a huge skeptic, but she has helped. My pain is pretty much gone. Honestly though, if she didn't come highly recommended by someone I respect, I might not have ever gone to her or any other chiro for that matter. I do think finding a good chiro is a crap shoot, and I got lucky.
There does seem to be two distinct camps of chiro, those who think it cures everything from acne and asthma to the plague and those who want to be part of an integrated, evidence based medical team. I used to be on a chiro board years ago and many of the harshest critics were ex-chiros who believed in partnership with doctors and other traditional healthcare professionals.
I am all for whatever technique works for the situation and it seems she's one of the good ones.3 -
I've had experiences with 3 different ones.
The first guy was old school and amazing. I had horrible lower back & sciatic pain. His adjustments were like flipping a light switch and immediate relief. After just a couple visits, I was good as new. He's long since retired.
I then started having some thoracic issues and after research chose another chiro. He was ok, but not very aggressive and barely did anything. Usually it was a case of slightly more soreness before improvement. When the issue reoccurred I chose a different guy (who I in retrospect should have went to first) In just a couple visits I was good as new again.0 -
I know all the skeptic stuff and I grew up occasionally making the trip to the chiro with my dad and stepmom (I lived with my mother) to treat her migraines and get his back adjusted. I never had it done at that time, even when it was offered - Dad had a family plan - because it just looked brutal.
Flash forward decades later. I am having chronic lower back pain and I am waking up with more and more neck issues (commonly known as a "kink" in your neck) and I was starting to wake up with that tingling feeling you get when your arm "falls asleep" in my left pinky. Eventually it moved to encompass my ring finger as well. It typically went away within a couple hours but eventually it never quite went away so I decided to go see a chiropractor.
He took xrays and we talked about what he saw. He explained that it would be best if I came in 3 times a week to start and explained that my body had learned to hold my spine in a certain way and that while things might feel better for a few days after an adjustment, the muscles have trained themselves to hold things a certain way and we needed to keep working to get them to hold things in a better position. We started the plan and little by little things got better. Eventually (about 3 weeks in) he wasn't getting much movement or finding as much out of alignment so we cut back to twice a week for 2-3 weeks. As we went on, my back felt better, the tingling issues and neck issues went away and I was starting to feel pretty good. We worked it down to once a week and eventually every other week and then monthly. I felt great about it. He would even do adjustments on my wrists and elbows which felt fantastic.
The following year I signed up for a yearly maintenence program. He figured out how many times he would expect to see me (basically once a month with a few extra visits for any issue that came up) and I saw him for about 5 years. I loved going to see him just before I went league bowling on Friday nights because I felt like everything was loose and relaxed and in line.
One of the other things that happened at the same time was my bronchitis changing. Now I don't know if the whole idea that they talk about with how the nerves all go through the spine and if things are pinched off, signals don't get through which could affect your immune system and things like that is true or not but I can tell you this much. For the previous decade I was getting bronchitis pretty much once each winter, and then if I came down with it early (like Sept-Nov), I was pretty much assured to get it again in late winter. What started as every few years and then became yearly, then twice a year routinely, started going back to once a year after I started chiropractic care and was less severe. Eventually it went away and I rarely get it anymore. So whether that is just coincidence or effect I can't say but it certainly went hand in hand with treatment.
Eventually I moved out here to the Seattle area and never found one I liked since. My previous one was what I call the "back cracker" type. It was very hands on and pushing and such. The two I tried here were all about little percussion instruments and such and it all felt VERY woo-ish and I never got anything from it.
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This is all so interesting and timely. I was referred by Ortho to a Chiro for rehab for shoulder pain and went last night.
He took X-rays and said I have scoliosis, one leg shorter than the other and adrenal issues. If that’s all true, is a chiro the best option to help?
Run from any quack chiropractor who "diagnoses" adrenal issues. He's a chiropractor, not an endocrinologist. Strong woo lies ahead.
"Adrenal fatigue" is one of those non-existent, made up conditions that are only diagnosed by quacks like naturopaths/homeopaths, chiropractors and other "alternative medicine" (i.e., woo) practitioners.6 -
I see a chiropractor on a monthly basis and have for a little over a year. Years ago I never would have imagined seeing one but once I did, I noticed a significant difference in my migraines. The chiropractor who I see does not do much of the traditional 'cracking' or 'popping' that I think most people think of but he focuses on the muscles that are tight and are pulling areas out of alignment. I may lay on a massage table to being the visit with rollers that wave up and down my back to help loosen me up. He then uses more holds and stretches than anything to help loosen my back, neck and head up.
If it's so good, why do you keep having to go?
A masseur could do the same thing but doesn't make any extraordinary promises of healing chronic diseases.7 -
This is all so interesting and timely. I was referred by Ortho to a Chiro for rehab for shoulder pain and went last night.
He took X-rays and said I have scoliosis, one leg shorter than the other and adrenal issues. If that’s all true, is a chiro the best option to help?
I agree, my woo-antenna are erect. There are 2 schools of chiropractic training. My good experiences have been with those of the Parker school.
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I'm surprised by all the people who will go to see a chiro on a recommendation, but won't take the time to find a trained D.O to do manipulations.2
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Google is your friend.3 -
This is all so interesting and timely. I was referred by Ortho to a Chiro for rehab for shoulder pain and went last night.
He took X-rays and said I have scoliosis, one leg shorter than the other and adrenal issues. If that’s all true, is a chiro the best option to help?
No. Chiropractic has no basis in science.
It is nonsense.8 -
This is all so interesting and timely. I was referred by Ortho to a Chiro for rehab for shoulder pain and went last night.
He took X-rays and said I have scoliosis, one leg shorter than the other and adrenal issues. If that’s all true, is a chiro the best option to help?
You know, even if he is absolutely spot on correct about some part of his diagnosis, the part where he is diagnosing adrenal issues?
That part = the guy is full of odiferous bovine excrement
(and I feel strongly enough about this that I am NOT **kittening** my statement)
So, yeah. You are about to buy services from a medical "professional" who is either ouright lying to you, or is ignorant and proceeding to a diagnosis on the strength of their "knowledge".6 -
I have to agree with this ^. Logically, a chiropractor should only claim to help relieve back to neck pain or joint pain IMO. But to state that they can diagnose adrenal issues or cure breathing problems (such as asthma) seems too much. That’s what internal medicine is for, and diagnostic tests, breathing tests for asthma (lung function) etc. I also find a chiropractor claiming that they can fix a rotated spine dubious, it’s a very strong bone structure.
Does anyone know of any good recent medical articles that have been peer reviewed? I’ve looked everywhere and can’t find any...
Also, still in pain 29 hours later3 -
I see a chiropractor on a monthly basis and have for a little over a year. Years ago I never would have imagined seeing one but once I did, I noticed a significant difference in my migraines. The chiropractor who I see does not do much of the traditional 'cracking' or 'popping' that I think most people think of but he focuses on the muscles that are tight and are pulling areas out of alignment. I may lay on a massage table to being the visit with rollers that wave up and down my back to help loosen me up. He then uses more holds and stretches than anything to help loosen my back, neck and head up.
Does he give you any exercises to do on your own? If not, you are just an annunity.3 -
I work in healthcare and so VERY skeptical about chiros. Then I did something to my back. Muscle relaxers weren't helping, I was in too much pain to do the exercises the doc gave me, I was sleeping in a chair because it was too painful to get in and out of bed. My best friend kept telling me to go to her chiro, and I was desperate enough to do it. I kept telling myself that if tries to do x rays, or sell me vitamins, or touch my neck, I'm out of there.
He did an exam very similar to the ortho's, then had me lay on my stomach with a heating pad for about 15 minutes. He came in, put me in some weird position, and did this horrible wrenching movement to my spine. And there was an immediate improvement in my back. I didn't get up and do cartwheels, but I could do things I couldn't do before. He showed me some exercises to do (some were the same as the ortho's) and put me on an icing schedule. Said if I hadn't seen improvement in a week to come back, otherwise I was done. As it turns out, I was done.
So there are some that are "legit," but the practice is full of scam artists and woo.5 -
Today's chiros have turned themselves into physical therapists. Perhaps this is because true chiropractic is made-up nonsense.
Many of the techniques they are now doing (stretching, massage, etc.) are NOT chiropractic. They are physical therapy techniques.7 -
I work in healthcare and so VERY skeptical about chiros. Then I did something to my back. Muscle relaxers weren't helping, I was in too much pain to do the exercises the doc gave me, I was sleeping in a chair because it was too painful to get in and out of bed. My best friend kept telling me to go to her chiro, and I was desperate enough to do it. I kept telling myself that if tries to do x rays, or sell me vitamins, or touch my neck, I'm out of there.
He did an exam very similar to the ortho's, then had me lay on my stomach with a heating pad for about 15 minutes. He came in, put me in some weird position, and did this horrible wrenching movement to my spine. And there was an immediate improvement in my back. I didn't get up and do cartwheels, but I could do things I couldn't do before. He showed me some exercises to do (some were the same as the ortho's) and put me on an icing schedule. Said if I hadn't seen improvement in a week to come back, otherwise I was done. As it turns out, I was done.
So there are some that are "legit," but the practice is full of scam artists and woo.
This is what I hear all the time: Chiropractors making their patients lay on a heating pad for an extended period of time. WTH for??? Why do they need a heating pad to loosen the patient up? If they were any good, they would be able to treat their patient cold.4 -
would never see one,
have seen them advertising for parents to take their kids there for persistent ear infections!!!3 -
YvetteK2015 wrote: »I work in healthcare and so VERY skeptical about chiros. Then I did something to my back. Muscle relaxers weren't helping, I was in too much pain to do the exercises the doc gave me, I was sleeping in a chair because it was too painful to get in and out of bed. My best friend kept telling me to go to her chiro, and I was desperate enough to do it. I kept telling myself that if tries to do x rays, or sell me vitamins, or touch my neck, I'm out of there.
He did an exam very similar to the ortho's, then had me lay on my stomach with a heating pad for about 15 minutes. He came in, put me in some weird position, and did this horrible wrenching movement to my spine. And there was an immediate improvement in my back. I didn't get up and do cartwheels, but I could do things I couldn't do before. He showed me some exercises to do (some were the same as the ortho's) and put me on an icing schedule. Said if I hadn't seen improvement in a week to come back, otherwise I was done. As it turns out, I was done.
So there are some that are "legit," but the practice is full of scam artists and woo.
This is what I hear all the time: Chiropractors making their patients lay on a heating pad for an extended period of time. WTH for??? Why do they need a heating pad to loosen the patient up? If they were any good, they would be able to treat their patient cold.
The chiropractor I went to had me chill out on a massage table (like a mechanical one) for two minutes. Then talked to me for 4 minutes about X-rays and then the actual adjustment was literally like 8 minutes. That was it. All for an affordable cost of only $140. So basically for an 8 minute treatment $140.
I can’t even imagine what they make in an hour....definitely significantly more than a physical therapist or MD or massage therapist.
In terms of efficacy, it probably does help some people (all the more to you if it does) but I’m about go to beg SO for a back rub because I know that will undo what they did. {Shrug}0 -
YvetteK2015 wrote: »I work in healthcare and so VERY skeptical about chiros. Then I did something to my back. Muscle relaxers weren't helping, I was in too much pain to do the exercises the doc gave me, I was sleeping in a chair because it was too painful to get in and out of bed. My best friend kept telling me to go to her chiro, and I was desperate enough to do it. I kept telling myself that if tries to do x rays, or sell me vitamins, or touch my neck, I'm out of there.
He did an exam very similar to the ortho's, then had me lay on my stomach with a heating pad for about 15 minutes. He came in, put me in some weird position, and did this horrible wrenching movement to my spine. And there was an immediate improvement in my back. I didn't get up and do cartwheels, but I could do things I couldn't do before. He showed me some exercises to do (some were the same as the ortho's) and put me on an icing schedule. Said if I hadn't seen improvement in a week to come back, otherwise I was done. As it turns out, I was done.
So there are some that are "legit," but the practice is full of scam artists and woo.
This is what I hear all the time: Chiropractors making their patients lay on a heating pad for an extended period of time. WTH for??? Why do they need a heating pad to loosen the patient up? If they were any good, they would be able to treat their patient cold.
If the problem is a muscle spasm, I presume they're trying to lessen the possibility of muscle tear if they manipulate you "cold."3 -
I know a lot of people who swear by them. My parents went frequently when my siblings & I were growing up. About 6 months after my daughter was born, I had terrible lower back pain. So bad I could hardly walk. I went to a chiropractor a few times, with no relief at all. Quit the treatments and my pain went away eventually. That was over 30 years ago. Have not been to one since. They are not for me.1
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YvetteK2015 wrote: »I work in healthcare and so VERY skeptical about chiros. Then I did something to my back. Muscle relaxers weren't helping, I was in too much pain to do the exercises the doc gave me, I was sleeping in a chair because it was too painful to get in and out of bed. My best friend kept telling me to go to her chiro, and I was desperate enough to do it. I kept telling myself that if tries to do x rays, or sell me vitamins, or touch my neck, I'm out of there.
He did an exam very similar to the ortho's, then had me lay on my stomach with a heating pad for about 15 minutes. He came in, put me in some weird position, and did this horrible wrenching movement to my spine. And there was an immediate improvement in my back. I didn't get up and do cartwheels, but I could do things I couldn't do before. He showed me some exercises to do (some were the same as the ortho's) and put me on an icing schedule. Said if I hadn't seen improvement in a week to come back, otherwise I was done. As it turns out, I was done.
So there are some that are "legit," but the practice is full of scam artists and woo.
This is what I hear all the time: Chiropractors making their patients lay on a heating pad for an extended period of time. WTH for??? Why do they need a heating pad to loosen the patient up? If they were any good, they would be able to treat their patient cold.
If the problem is a muscle spasm, I presume they're trying to lessen the possibility of muscle tear if they manipulate you "cold."
Oh please. Working on someone cold won't "tear" a muscle during manipulation even if you are having a muscle spasm.
I have chronic lower back and upper back pain. The true test for me is, do I feel better walking out of your office because of what your hands have done, or what your gadgets have done. I always feel better after laying on a heating pad. ALWAYS. I'm not paying a doctor to lay on a heating pad. I'm paying to have hands laid on me. And if a doctor needs me to lay on a heating pad, that tells me his technique isn't so good.5 -
When I last looked for evidence, the only positive I could find was that it was about as effective as physio (ie not very) for patients with mild lower back pain. For anything else, it’s complete woo and, as others have said, neck manipulation can be extremely dangerous.2
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My good friend’s mother was a licensed chiropractor for years in the 80s until she left the profession to pursue a career in massage therapy, which, at the time, was a profession in its infancy. I was lucky enough to get regular massages from her (she was amazing - ruined me for life because I haven’t found anyone as good as her in 25 years lol). She always told me to stay away from chiropractors - she stopped the profession because she began to doubt the science and whether it truly was beneficial, and through her own observations, massage actually accomplished the relief she had for intended to provide for her patients.
I have also been friends with chiropractors, and as another poster said, most of what they do is the same techniques that my physical therapist uses. Somehow, I trust my PT more.2 -
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I believe in Chiropractic adjustments, my 1st time was when I threw my back out lifting a very heavy door, 4 visits later, I was pain free. For the past 10 (ish) years, I've gone to get my neck adj. every 3 months, I always knew I was out of adj. when I'd start getting headaches, I'd get an adj, and headaches would be gone.
I will agree it does depend on the Chiropractor, I'd go see someone else if my regular one was off and I didn't get the same relief.0 -
I agree with the others who said that there are good and bad within the profession. I struggled with foot pain for years (Achilles issues, plantar fascitis, flat feet). I brought it up to all of my doctors, I went to an ortho none of them were able to offer me anything to relieve the pain. A friend referred me to a chiropractor who does a combination of chiropractic, physical therapy and massage. Within in 3 visits I was pain free. He wasn't a miracle worker, but in addition to treating me at the office, he actually showed me stretches and exercises to do at home that would be beneficial.1
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My husband and I have gone to a good chiro for years. My husband went originally for numbness in his arm and leg. She fixed him. No messages or foot rubs (I wish). She has also helped with severe seratic pain in the lower back and legs. He is always in pain from back issues and she is able to realign the spine and he feels better for a few weeks. Sitting at a desk all day doesn’t do good things to your spine. It’s not a placebo affect. Our insurance pays for it. She is also a nurse practitioner with medical background and can prescribe medicine if needed. Our chiro has horror stories of the bad ones.0
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