Poor deadlifting hands
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There's no law against using straps. Straps are useful at times.
Deadlifts are not one of them IMO.
Hanging on to the bar is a key element of the deadlift. Your grip will not develop using straps.
Using assistance equipment does allow you to lift more weight but what does it mean if you can't lift the weight without wearing the equipment? What is the reality of benching 200lbs more by wearing a bench shirt?
What is the reality of deadlifting 500lbs if you have to wear straps to do it? The reality is you can't lift it.
But you say...I am not training for a competition, why shouldn't I use straps? Well, why bother wearing straps at all? Why bother? Just lift the darn weight as best you can by yourself. If you can't hold on to it you just aren't strong enough...yet. By not using straps, someday you just might BE strong enough to lift it.
If you can't lift it by yourself, you can't lift it. Period.
And how will you develop a grip strong enough to deadlift what you want if you always use straps?
Tearing a bicep using a mixed grip is similar to tearing a pec doing bench presses. Both these injuries just about always only occur with steroid users, whose muscles by their almost miraculous speedy development, exceed in strength the tissues that hold them together.
Have no fear of tearing your bicep doing deadlifts.
If your hands are too weak to hold on to the bar doing deadlifts, they won't get strong enough to do it if you use straps.
Anyway, do whatever you want. Just my two cents.
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There is nothing wrong with the cross grip.
That is another one of those no-nos that is just nonsense.
Many women don't want "man hands" so they use gloves. No problem if you get proper gloves.
Heck, in the winter I sometimes lift in my garage with Home Depot leather work gloves. They work fine.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Firm-Grip-Orange-Suede-Cowhide-Leather-and-Denim-Large-Work-Gloves-5033-27/100565937
My hands actually hurt from the grain carved into the metal bar, this is what I mean by criss cross...what do you mean it's nonsense?2 -
Thanks everyone, I'm not a powerlifter so it's not important that get to crazy heavy weights when deadlifting.
I'll just keep going and practicing with what I'm doing, if I need some assistance I'll have a go with liquid chalk and an alternate hand grip.3 -
There's no law against using straps. Straps are useful at times.
Deadlifts are not one of them IMO.
Hanging on to the bar is a key element of the deadlift. Your grip will not develop using straps.
Using assistance equipment does allow you to lift more weight but what does it mean if you can't lift the weight without wearing the equipment? What is the reality of benching 200lbs more by wearing a bench shirt?
What is the reality of deadlifting 500lbs if you have to wear straps to do it? The reality is you can't lift it.
But you say...I am not training for a competition, why shouldn't I use straps? Well, why bother wearing straps at all? Why bother? Just lift the darn weight as best you can by yourself. If you can't hold on to it you just aren't strong enough...yet. By not using straps, someday you just might BE strong enough to lift it.
If you can't lift it by yourself, you can't lift it. Period.
And how will you develop a grip strong enough to deadlift what you want if you always use straps?
Tearing a bicep using a mixed grip is similar to tearing a pec doing bench presses. Both these injuries just about always only occur with steroid users, whose muscles by their almost miraculous speedy development, exceed in strength the tissues that hold them together.
Have no fear of tearing your bicep doing deadlifts.
If your hands are too weak to hold on to the bar doing deadlifts, they won't get strong enough to do it if you use straps.
Anyway, do whatever you want. Just my two cents.
Nonsense.
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There's no law against using straps. Straps are useful at times.
Deadlifts are not one of them IMO.
Hanging on to the bar is a key element of the deadlift. Your grip will not develop using straps.
Using assistance equipment does allow you to lift more weight but what does it mean if you can't lift the weight without wearing the equipment? What is the reality of benching 200lbs more by wearing a bench shirt?
What is the reality of deadlifting 500lbs if you have to wear straps to do it? The reality is you can't lift it.
But you say...I am not training for a competition, why shouldn't I use straps? Well, why bother wearing straps at all? Why bother? Just lift the darn weight as best you can by yourself. If you can't hold on to it you just aren't strong enough...yet. By not using straps, someday you just might BE strong enough to lift it.
If you can't lift it by yourself, you can't lift it. Period.
And how will you develop a grip strong enough to deadlift what you want if you always use straps?
Tearing a bicep using a mixed grip is similar to tearing a pec doing bench presses. Both these injuries just about always only occur with steroid users, whose muscles by their almost miraculous speedy development, exceed in strength the tissues that hold them together.
Have no fear of tearing your bicep doing deadlifts.
If your hands are too weak to hold on to the bar doing deadlifts, they won't get strong enough to do it if you use straps.
Anyway, do whatever you want. Just my two cents.
Nonsense.
I concur. There are plenty of ways to increase grip strength and allowing your deadlift to remain stagnant, neglecting progress in your lower back, glutes, and hammies is not one of them. Train deadlift by training deadlift. Train grip by training grip.7 -
Silkysausage wrote: »There is nothing wrong with the cross grip.
That is another one of those no-nos that is just nonsense.
Many women don't want "man hands" so they use gloves. No problem if you get proper gloves.
Heck, in the winter I sometimes lift in my garage with Home Depot leather work gloves. They work fine.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Firm-Grip-Orange-Suede-Cowhide-Leather-and-Denim-Large-Work-Gloves-5033-27/100565937
My hands actually hurt from the grain carved into the metal bar, this is what I mean by criss cross...what do you mean it's nonsense?
Pretty sure he meant mixed grip. The pattern on the bar is called "knurling". You should see what it does to hands if it's on a pull-up bar. I've seen CF boys and girls rip their hands to shreds trying to do kipping PU's on a knurled bar.
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Use whatever works best for you to help you reach your goals. I've never used straps or gloves and have pulled up to 275 kg.2
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Davidsdottir wrote: »There's no law against using straps. Straps are useful at times.
Deadlifts are not one of them IMO.
Hanging on to the bar is a key element of the deadlift. Your grip will not develop using straps.
Using assistance equipment does allow you to lift more weight but what does it mean if you can't lift the weight without wearing the equipment? What is the reality of benching 200lbs more by wearing a bench shirt?
What is the reality of deadlifting 500lbs if you have to wear straps to do it? The reality is you can't lift it.
But you say...I am not training for a competition, why shouldn't I use straps? Well, why bother wearing straps at all? Why bother? Just lift the darn weight as best you can by yourself. If you can't hold on to it you just aren't strong enough...yet. By not using straps, someday you just might BE strong enough to lift it.
If you can't lift it by yourself, you can't lift it. Period.
And how will you develop a grip strong enough to deadlift what you want if you always use straps?
Tearing a bicep using a mixed grip is similar to tearing a pec doing bench presses. Both these injuries just about always only occur with steroid users, whose muscles by their almost miraculous speedy development, exceed in strength the tissues that hold them together.
Have no fear of tearing your bicep doing deadlifts.
If your hands are too weak to hold on to the bar doing deadlifts, they won't get strong enough to do it if you use straps.
Anyway, do whatever you want. Just my two cents.
Nonsense.
I concur. There are plenty of ways to increase grip strength and allowing your deadlift to remain stagnant, neglecting progress in your lower back, glutes, and hammies is not one of them. Train deadlift by training deadlift. Train grip by training grip.
Also agree.
Not to mention injuries can happen to anyone.. Not just enhanced athletes.3 -
not_a_runner wrote: »
A extremely slight risk for a bicep tear, I thinks it's less than .0025% if I remember correctly . It's "blown" out of proportion as far as the risk to mention really.
Developmental Imbalances fall in the same field and there is zero data showing that switch grip is the cause. I would be more concerned with the windmill effect it causes some lifters. That could make things dicey as far as safety/injury.
OP, straps are fine if your prefer. Hand strength only needs to be worked on if that is a limiting factor and you are a competitor.
Personally I pull hook grip with chslk on semi heavy singles & use straps quite alot for multi rep working sets. I pulled well over 500+ in a recent meet and never had a problem with slippage.2 -
I don't use gloves to deadlift and my hands are as soft as ever (wish I did have "man hands"). I've tried a tiny bit of chalk on PR's- can't say it helped. My gym is too clean and I feel bad getting chalk all over the place. My best is 340x5 (over/under grip) but after hearing about bicep & shoulder tear risk switched to double overhand and am now trying to learn the hook grip. My best deadlift (double overhand) is 330x5. Hoping the hook grip will take me to the next level. I may try straps someday, but would prefer to hit the 1000 lb club without them.0
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Silkysausage wrote: »Heaviest ever at 30kg..please don't laugh
Felt great but hard on the hands, what are straps used for or should I go for gloves?
I prefer hook grip (hence my profile picture), but it's not easy to master it, because it usually *kitten* hurts in the first 2-3 weeks (people initially give up on them because of the pain), but once your thumb gets used to the pain, it becomes easier and straps becomes obsolete. If pain scares you, you can go for gloves or straps....I prefer that old school method.
A friend of mine powerlifts and gave me this pointer the other day..she said it takes time to get used to but I am finding it is helping me and I hope to no longer rely on mixed-grip and chalk.
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Hey! I can relate. The longer you do it, your grip will improve. Keep at it. I started lifting a year ago with similar weight and now my grip is significantly stronger. Good luck!1
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There's no law against using straps. Straps are useful at times.
Deadlifts are not one of them IMO.
Hanging on to the bar is a key element of the deadlift. Your grip will not develop using straps.
Using assistance equipment does allow you to lift more weight but what does it mean if you can't lift the weight without wearing the equipment? What is the reality of benching 200lbs more by wearing a bench shirt?
What is the reality of deadlifting 500lbs if you have to wear straps to do it? The reality is you can't lift it.
But you say...I am not training for a competition, why shouldn't I use straps? Well, why bother wearing straps at all? Why bother? Just lift the darn weight as best you can by yourself. If you can't hold on to it you just aren't strong enough...yet. By not using straps, someday you just might BE strong enough to lift it.
If you can't lift it by yourself, you can't lift it. Period.
And how will you develop a grip strong enough to deadlift what you want if you always use straps?
Tearing a bicep using a mixed grip is similar to tearing a pec doing bench presses. Both these injuries just about always only occur with steroid users, whose muscles by their almost miraculous speedy development, exceed in strength the tissues that hold them together.
Have no fear of tearing your bicep doing deadlifts.
If your hands are too weak to hold on to the bar doing deadlifts, they won't get strong enough to do it if you use straps.
Anyway, do whatever you want. Just my two cents.
Nonsense.
Yes - that was complete utter nonsense.3 -
Some people have a fetish for bringing up people on gear. I highly doubt many on these forums would use PEDs. Those people tend to go to a more hardcore site.
I at one time was anti strap. Now I just see it as another tool. I hold out as long as I can but on nearly every pulling workout I use them. I can still deadlift 525 for a single so it is not limiting me. What would limit me is not getting in my volume because of grip fatigue.
In terms of injury I don’t think anyone pulling less than 600 needs to worry much about a bicep tear from mixed grip. Even those over 600 only have a small chance. Yes it happens but your more likely to get hit by a car walking on street (purely a guess).
Oh and plenty of drug tested athletes pull over 6 plates before more BS steroid crap is spewed.
Edit: on gloves I don’t like them. I guess partly an ego thing that I wear my calluses with pride. More importantly I have yet to see better grip than just chalk or straps if fatigued.2 -
Silkysausage wrote: »The criss cross grip is evil! Am I going to look like a loon using liquid chalk for a measly 30kg for 3 sets
I don't lift real heavy and I use the liquid grip. My hands sweat bad though and it helps with that more. I don't care what I look like. I am going to use what helps me more.2 -
Silkysausage wrote: »Heaviest ever at 30kg..please don't laugh
Felt great but hard on the hands, what are straps used for or should I go for gloves?
I prefer hook grip (hence my profile picture), but it's not easy to master it, because it usually *kitten* hurts in the first 2-3 weeks (people initially give up on them because of the pain), but once your thumb gets used to the pain, it becomes easier and straps becomes obsolete. If pain scares you, you can go for gloves or straps....I prefer that old school method.
A friend of mine powerlifts and gave me this pointer the other day..she said it takes time to get used to but I am finding it is helping me and I hope to no longer rely on mixed-grip and chalk.
It took me 2 months of doing RDL's with the hook grip to match my rdl weight when I was doing them with a mixed grip. Now I even surpass it.1 -
If you are worried about muscle imbalance using the mixed grip, just switch your hands around each set.
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Some people have a fetish for bringing up people on gear. I highly doubt many on these forums would use PEDs. Those people tend to go to a more hardcore site.
I at one time was anti strap. Now I just see it as another tool. I hold out as long as I can but on nearly every pulling workout I use them. I can still deadlift 525 for a single so it is not limiting me. What would limit me is not getting in my volume because of grip fatigue.
In terms of injury I don’t think anyone pulling less than 600 needs to worry much about a bicep tear from mixed grip. Even those over 600 only have a small chance. Yes it happens but your more likely to get hit by a car walking on street (purely a guess).
Oh and plenty of drug tested athletes pull over 6 plates before more BS steroid crap is spewed.
Edit: on gloves I don’t like them. I guess partly an ego thing that I wear my calluses with pride. More importantly I have yet to see better grip than just chalk or straps if fatigued.
From personal experience of what I’ve seen over
The years, most bicep injury’s come from not taking the slack out of the bar. Even from experienced lifters rushing their warm up sets.
I agree when done correctly bicep tears are
Unlikely, I always mix grip anything over 500
And have never had an issue, but I’m a stickler for good form especially on heavy compounds0 -
TenaciousGymKitten wrote: »Bottom line... do what is comfortable for you. There will always be differing opinions.
Errr... yes there is! Never knew it would be so tricky1 -
Ok, calm down folks. I was just trying to be cheeky with the whole "blowing a bicep" thing. Like I said I pull mixed grip myself. (I have met a girl who tore hers pulling high 300's though.)
Next time I will be sure to insert sarcasm font.. I was just poking fun at a poster who likes to speak in absolutes and point fingers for not being "natty".4 -
No gloves or straps for me, just chalk. I start my sets using hook grip, then switch to mixed as I go heavier. The only thing that helped my grip was doing more deadlifts. Usually on my last rep, I will hold it for as l can. BTW my calluses are a badge of honor.2
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There's no law against using straps. Straps are useful at times.
Deadlifts are not one of them IMO.
Hanging on to the bar is a key element of the deadlift. Your grip will not develop using straps.
Using assistance equipment does allow you to lift more weight but what does it mean if you can't lift the weight without wearing the equipment? What is the reality of benching 200lbs more by wearing a bench shirt?
What is the reality of deadlifting 500lbs if you have to wear straps to do it? The reality is you can't lift it.
But you say...I am not training for a competition, why shouldn't I use straps? Well, why bother wearing straps at all? Why bother? Just lift the darn weight as best you can by yourself. If you can't hold on to it you just aren't strong enough...yet. By not using straps, someday you just might BE strong enough to lift it.
If you can't lift it by yourself, you can't lift it. Period.
And how will you develop a grip strong enough to deadlift what you want if you always use straps?
Tearing a bicep using a mixed grip is similar to tearing a pec doing bench presses. Both these injuries just about always only occur with steroid users, whose muscles by their almost miraculous speedy development, exceed in strength the tissues that hold them together.
Have no fear of tearing your bicep doing deadlifts.
If your hands are too weak to hold on to the bar doing deadlifts, they won't get strong enough to do it if you use straps.
Anyway, do whatever you want. Just my two cents.
Tell you what.
Go and have a look at Stefi Cohen's instagram feed and then tell us this theory about not being able to lift it by yourself, you can't lift it.0 -
OP, my recommendation would be chalk if you need it and keep lifting until your hands get tougher. I love my calluses, and even though my grip is still my weakest link, it's nice to see how lifting is strengthening my grip.
Re: torn muscles - it's not just steroid users and super heavy lifters who can damage muscles. I am older and diabetic and my connective tissue doesn't have as much blood flow as a result - it's very easy to get injured if I progress too quickly.1 -
There's no law against using straps. Straps are useful at times.
Deadlifts are not one of them IMO.
Hanging on to the bar is a key element of the deadlift. Your grip will not develop using straps.
Using assistance equipment does allow you to lift more weight but what does it mean if you can't lift the weight without wearing the equipment? What is the reality of benching 200lbs more by wearing a bench shirt?
What is the reality of deadlifting 500lbs if you have to wear straps to do it? The reality is you can't lift it.
But you say...I am not training for a competition, why shouldn't I use straps? Well, why bother wearing straps at all? Why bother? Just lift the darn weight as best you can by yourself. If you can't hold on to it you just aren't strong enough...yet. By not using straps, someday you just might BE strong enough to lift it.
If you can't lift it by yourself, you can't lift it. Period.
And how will you develop a grip strong enough to deadlift what you want if you always use straps?
Tearing a bicep using a mixed grip is similar to tearing a pec doing bench presses. Both these injuries just about always only occur with steroid users, whose muscles by their almost miraculous speedy development, exceed in strength the tissues that hold them together.
Have no fear of tearing your bicep doing deadlifts.
If your hands are too weak to hold on to the bar doing deadlifts, they won't get strong enough to do it if you use straps.
Anyway, do whatever you want. Just my two cents.
Tell you what.
Go and have a look at Stefi Cohen's instagram feed and then tell us this theory about not being able to lift it by yourself, you can't lift it.
I don't instagram.
If your grip gives out you can't lift it in the deadlift.
Period.5 -
There's no law against using straps. Straps are useful at times.
Deadlifts are not one of them IMO.
Hanging on to the bar is a key element of the deadlift. Your grip will not develop using straps.
Using assistance equipment does allow you to lift more weight but what does it mean if you can't lift the weight without wearing the equipment? What is the reality of benching 200lbs more by wearing a bench shirt?
What is the reality of deadlifting 500lbs if you have to wear straps to do it? The reality is you can't lift it.
But you say...I am not training for a competition, why shouldn't I use straps? Well, why bother wearing straps at all? Why bother? Just lift the darn weight as best you can by yourself. If you can't hold on to it you just aren't strong enough...yet. By not using straps, someday you just might BE strong enough to lift it.
If you can't lift it by yourself, you can't lift it. Period.
And how will you develop a grip strong enough to deadlift what you want if you always use straps?
Tearing a bicep using a mixed grip is similar to tearing a pec doing bench presses. Both these injuries just about always only occur with steroid users, whose muscles by their almost miraculous speedy development, exceed in strength the tissues that hold them together.
Have no fear of tearing your bicep doing deadlifts.
If your hands are too weak to hold on to the bar doing deadlifts, they won't get strong enough to do it if you use straps.
Anyway, do whatever you want. Just my two cents.
Tell you what.
Go and have a look at Stefi Cohen's instagram feed and then tell us this theory about not being able to lift it by yourself, you can't lift it.
I don't instagram.
If your grip gives out you can't lift it in the deadlift.
Period.
At the Arnold's, Stefi Cohen deadlifted 545 lbs at a body weight of 123lbs, which is over 4.4x her bodyweight.
She warmed up for that pull with a 500lbs triple.
This is regarded as one of the most impressive pound-for-pound lifting feats in the sport to date.
But she used straps so it means nothing?
You are literally clueless.
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What about shoulder injuries from mixed grip deadlift? Is this a concern? I hurt my shoulder in 2016 and not sure how..... wondering if my mixed grip deadlift was aggravating it (happened to be my left shoulder, same side as my supinated grip). I know, another witch hunt!0
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There's no law against using straps. Straps are useful at times.
Deadlifts are not one of them IMO.
Hanging on to the bar is a key element of the deadlift. Your grip will not develop using straps.
Using assistance equipment does allow you to lift more weight but what does it mean if you can't lift the weight without wearing the equipment? What is the reality of benching 200lbs more by wearing a bench shirt?
What is the reality of deadlifting 500lbs if you have to wear straps to do it? The reality is you can't lift it.
But you say...I am not training for a competition, why shouldn't I use straps? Well, why bother wearing straps at all? Why bother? Just lift the darn weight as best you can by yourself. If you can't hold on to it you just aren't strong enough...yet. By not using straps, someday you just might BE strong enough to lift it.
If you can't lift it by yourself, you can't lift it. Period.
And how will you develop a grip strong enough to deadlift what you want if you always use straps?
Tearing a bicep using a mixed grip is similar to tearing a pec doing bench presses. Both these injuries just about always only occur with steroid users, whose muscles by their almost miraculous speedy development, exceed in strength the tissues that hold them together.
Have no fear of tearing your bicep doing deadlifts.
If your hands are too weak to hold on to the bar doing deadlifts, they won't get strong enough to do it if you use straps.
Anyway, do whatever you want. Just my two cents.
Tell you what.
Go and have a look at Stefi Cohen's instagram feed and then tell us this theory about not being able to lift it by yourself, you can't lift it.
I don't instagram.
If your grip gives out you can't lift it in the deadlift.
Period.
At the Arnold's, Stefi Cohen deadlifted 545 lbs at a body weight of 123lbs, which is over 4.4x her bodyweight.
She warmed up for that pull with a 500lbs triple.
This is regarded as one of the most impressive pound-for-pound lifting feats in the sport to date.
But she used straps so it means nothing?
You are literally clueless.
Meaningless? NO. Deadlift? Also no.2 -
I use a pumice stone on my callus when I get out of the shower.0
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I suggest no gloves and only use straps when you're getting into heavy deads. Grip work is super important when you're working on deadlifts.
I use straps when I get into 130+kg, but that is because previously doing gymnastics and pole vaulting and being a farmer strengthened my grips naturally0 -
There's no law against using straps. Straps are useful at times.
Deadlifts are not one of them IMO.
Hanging on to the bar is a key element of the deadlift. Your grip will not develop using straps.
Using assistance equipment does allow you to lift more weight but what does it mean if you can't lift the weight without wearing the equipment? What is the reality of benching 200lbs more by wearing a bench shirt?
What is the reality of deadlifting 500lbs if you have to wear straps to do it? The reality is you can't lift it.
But you say...I am not training for a competition, why shouldn't I use straps? Well, why bother wearing straps at all? Why bother? Just lift the darn weight as best you can by yourself. If you can't hold on to it you just aren't strong enough...yet. By not using straps, someday you just might BE strong enough to lift it.
If you can't lift it by yourself, you can't lift it. Period.
And how will you develop a grip strong enough to deadlift what you want if you always use straps?
Tearing a bicep using a mixed grip is similar to tearing a pec doing bench presses. Both these injuries just about always only occur with steroid users, whose muscles by their almost miraculous speedy development, exceed in strength the tissues that hold them together.
Have no fear of tearing your bicep doing deadlifts.
If your hands are too weak to hold on to the bar doing deadlifts, they won't get strong enough to do it if you use straps.
Anyway, do whatever you want. Just my two cents.
Tell you what.
Go and have a look at Stefi Cohen's instagram feed and then tell us this theory about not being able to lift it by yourself, you can't lift it.
I don't instagram.
If your grip gives out you can't lift it in the deadlift.
Period.
At the Arnold's, Stefi Cohen deadlifted 545 lbs at a body weight of 123lbs, which is over 4.4x her bodyweight.
She warmed up for that pull with a 500lbs triple.
This is regarded as one of the most impressive pound-for-pound lifting feats in the sport to date.
But she used straps so it means nothing?
You are literally clueless.
It means something but it was not a deadlift.
She used straps.
You, unfortunately are the clueless one.
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