Keto help

SugarAndSugar
SugarAndSugar Posts: 84 Member
edited November 26 in Health and Weight Loss
So i have a couple questions regarding keto
1) How long is it until most people use fat as energy aka ketosis.

2) If I plan to go 1 week keto and then quit, will weight and possibly fat come back?

3). Is keto diet bad if you have kidney problems like dark urine. Like for me personally i only get dark urine when i get sick aka cold or flu

4) how should i quit a 1 week keto diet? Foodwise aka carbs

5) Is keto reccomended when approaching exams at school

6) Whats the ideal time people should be using keto diet ?
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  • malibu927
    malibu927 Posts: 17,562 Member
    To answer number 2, you’ll gain back a lot of the water weight lost if you return to your old carb intake, but one week would not cause much fat loss. As for 3, you should probably speak with your doctor.
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    So i have a couple questions regarding keto
    1) How long is it until most people use fat as energy aka ketosis.

    2) If I plan to go 1 week keto and then quit, will weight and possibly fat come back?

    3). Is keto diet bad if you have kidney problems like dark urine. Like for me personally i only get dark urine when i get sick aka cold or flu

    4) how should i quit a 1 week keto diet? Foodwise aka carbs

    5) Is keto reccomended when approaching exams at school

    6) Whats the ideal time people should be using keto diet ?

    1. You can be in ketosis the same day; but you are mistaken... fat adaptation is not the same as ketosis. Additionally, people who eat lots of carbs use fat as energy; just not at the higher exertion levels that fat adapted athletes can use. Fat adaptation takes 8-12 weeks.

    2. Maybe, there are other factors involved.

    3. If you have CKD, talk to your nephrologist; but generally high protein is not recommended for CKD patients. Fortunately, keto is not high protein but high fat. If your urine is dark, that is usually an indication you need to drink more water.

    4. 1 week is not going to make a whole lot of difference in the big pictures. If you eat keto for a week, you will lose some water weight at the outset and gain that water back as soon as you return to eating high carb.

    5. In the long-term, this can work. In the short term (i.e. start a keto diet the day before exams), this is not a good idea. You haven't had a chance to adapt yet and may be experiencing "keto flu." Additionally, our brains can only use glucose and ketones for energy (but can't directly oxidize fat). Going through a transition to give your brain more ketones and less glucose at test time is ill advised. If you are going to do it, transition several weeks in advance of your exams or wait until they are over.

    6. The keto diet has shown some therapeutic benefit for some medical conditions. For otherwise healthy ("normal") individuals, it is often found to improve satiety and it is therefore easier to eat an appropriate amount.
  • SugarAndSugar
    SugarAndSugar Posts: 84 Member
    Nothing magical about Keto.

    But in keto isnt your body using fat as fuel? But then i am contradicting myself because a caloric deficit makes your body use fat as fuel. So could you like guide me through? Like is keto a more extreme version of just calorie deficit? Because in a normal calorie deficit, your body still relies on carbs but when that 500 calorie deficit is present, does your body use fat as fuel? Or muscle?
  • SugarAndSugar
    SugarAndSugar Posts: 84 Member
    malibu927 wrote: »
    To answer number 2, you’ll gain back a lot of the water weight lost if you return to your old carb intake, but one week would not cause much fat loss. As for 3, you should probably speak with your doctor.

    Ok
  • SugarAndSugar
    SugarAndSugar Posts: 84 Member
    I think instead of asking all these questions rapid-fire it might be more helpful to explain your current situation and your goals.

    Um basically just general fat loss. I dont think current situations are relevant to the questions
  • SugarAndSugar
    SugarAndSugar Posts: 84 Member
    So i have a couple questions regarding keto
    1) How long is it until most people use fat as energy aka ketosis.

    2) If I plan to go 1 week keto and then quit, will weight and possibly fat come back?

    3). Is keto diet bad if you have kidney problems like dark urine. Like for me personally i only get dark urine when i get sick aka cold or flu

    4) how should i quit a 1 week keto diet? Foodwise aka carbs

    5) Is keto reccomended when approaching exams at school

    6) Whats the ideal time people should be using keto diet ?

    1. You can be in ketosis the same day; but you are mistaken... fat adaptation is not the same as ketosis. Additionally, people who eat lots of carbs use fat as energy; just not at the higher exertion levels that fat adapted athletes can use. Fat adaptation takes 8-12 weeks.

    2. Maybe, there are other factors involved.

    3. If you have CKD, talk to your nephrologist; but generally high protein is not recommended for CKD patients. Fortunately, keto is not high protein but high fat. If your urine is dark, that is usually an indication you need to drink more water.

    4. 1 week is not going to make a whole lot of difference in the big pictures. If you eat keto for a week, you will lose some water weight at the outset and gain that water back as soon as you return to eating high carb.

    5. In the long-term, this can work. In the short term (i.e. start a keto diet the day before exams), this is not a good idea. You haven't had a chance to adapt yet and may be experiencing "keto flu." Additionally, our brains can only use glucose and ketones for energy (but can't directly oxidize fat). Going through a transition to give your brain more ketones and less glucose at test time is ill advised. If you are going to do it, transition several weeks in advance of your exams or wait until they are over.

    6. The keto diet has shown some therapeutic benefit for some medical conditions. For otherwise healthy ("normal") individuals, it is often found to improve satiety and it is therefore easier to eat an appropriate amount.

    I appreciate it but for #6 let me clarify. I wanted to know like how long one should do keto diet. Like what is the ideal day or week length
  • SugarAndSugar
    SugarAndSugar Posts: 84 Member
    nutmegoreo wrote: »
    Nothing magical about Keto.

    But in keto isnt your body using fat as fuel? But then i am contradicting myself because a caloric deficit makes your body use fat as fuel. So could you like guide me through? Like is keto a more extreme version of just calorie deficit? Because in a normal calorie deficit, your body still relies on carbs but when that 500 calorie deficit is present, does your body use fat as fuel? Or muscle?

    Your body uses fat as fuel because that is what you are eating. You won't magically burn more body fat than on any other diet. Keto has a large initial water weight drop, but long term studies don't show any significant advantage over other diets. If you enjoy eating keto, you find it easier to stick too, or you find it helps you stick with your calorie targets, then great. But there is no advantage outside of these things (which is only applicable for some people - many prefer higher carbs). To lose weight on keto, you still need a calorie deficit.

    So on a carb balanced caloric deficit, the same fat loss will occur as a no carb but caloric deficit diet? Then whats the point
  • nutmegoreo
    nutmegoreo Posts: 15,532 Member
    nutmegoreo wrote: »
    Nothing magical about Keto.

    But in keto isnt your body using fat as fuel? But then i am contradicting myself because a caloric deficit makes your body use fat as fuel. So could you like guide me through? Like is keto a more extreme version of just calorie deficit? Because in a normal calorie deficit, your body still relies on carbs but when that 500 calorie deficit is present, does your body use fat as fuel? Or muscle?

    Your body uses fat as fuel because that is what you are eating. You won't magically burn more body fat than on any other diet. Keto has a large initial water weight drop, but long term studies don't show any significant advantage over other diets. If you enjoy eating keto, you find it easier to stick too, or you find it helps you stick with your calorie targets, then great. But there is no advantage outside of these things (which is only applicable for some people - many prefer higher carbs). To lose weight on keto, you still need a calorie deficit.

    So on a carb balanced caloric deficit, the same fat loss will occur as a no carb but caloric deficit diet? Then whats the point

    The point is the things I said. Some find it easier to stick to, because they are more sated with higher fat intake. Some find they overeat carbs. If you aren't one of those people, then stick with a calorie deficit eating foods that you do enjoy. No need to overcomplicate it.

    There are some people who do find that controlled carb diet are better for them (insulin resistance, PCOS, and some diabetics). There is also some research that indicates keto can help control seizures. If those don't apply to you, then eat what you like. If these do apply to you, then work with your doctor and a registered dietician.
  • JaydedMiss
    JaydedMiss Posts: 4,286 Member
    edited April 2018
    if you dont plan to cut out carbs for life dont do it at all, Youll get nowhere fast and likely just regain it all even faster. Theres absolutely no point....i lost 115 pounds eating 60-70% carbs just fine. Carbs are not the problem calories are
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,431 MFP Moderator
    edited April 2018
    nutmegoreo wrote: »
    Nothing magical about Keto.

    But in keto isnt your body using fat as fuel? But then i am contradicting myself because a caloric deficit makes your body use fat as fuel. So could you like guide me through? Like is keto a more extreme version of just calorie deficit? Because in a normal calorie deficit, your body still relies on carbs but when that 500 calorie deficit is present, does your body use fat as fuel? Or muscle?

    Your body uses fat as fuel because that is what you are eating. You won't magically burn more body fat than on any other diet. Keto has a large initial water weight drop, but long term studies don't show any significant advantage over other diets. If you enjoy eating keto, you find it easier to stick too, or you find it helps you stick with your calorie targets, then great. But there is no advantage outside of these things (which is only applicable for some people - many prefer higher carbs). To lose weight on keto, you still need a calorie deficit.

    So on a carb balanced caloric deficit, the same fat loss will occur as a no carb but caloric deficit diet? Then whats the point

    That is kind of the point. The diet you chose largely doesn't matter. It's the number of calories you choose and how well you can stick to it. The only diet shown to have any advantage is a higher protein diet, due to its energetic effects and links to improved metabolism.

    What matters is maintaining a healthy weight and exercise. What matters to a lesser extend is eating high quality, nutrient dense foods.
  • roxybeer
    roxybeer Posts: 28 Member
    If you're just looking to lose a bunch of fat in a very quick amount of time (I lost 30lbs on keto in about 2.5 months), keto is perfect. Sustain it all through summer to keep your beach body and then go back to eating normally in the winter and gain it all back. <end sarcasm>
  • SugarAndSugar
    SugarAndSugar Posts: 84 Member
    JaydedMiss wrote: »
    if you dont plan to cut out carbs for life dont do it at all, Youll get nowhere fast and likely just regain it all even faster. Theres absolutely no point....i lost 115 pounds eating 60-70% carbs just fine. Carbs are not the problem calories are

    What calorie calculator did you use
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    So i have a couple questions regarding keto
    1) How long is it until most people use fat as energy aka ketosis.

    2) If I plan to go 1 week keto and then quit, will weight and possibly fat come back?

    3). Is keto diet bad if you have kidney problems like dark urine. Like for me personally i only get dark urine when i get sick aka cold or flu

    4) how should i quit a 1 week keto diet? Foodwise aka carbs

    5) Is keto reccomended when approaching exams at school

    6) Whats the ideal time people should be using keto diet ?

    1. You can be in ketosis the same day; but you are mistaken... fat adaptation is not the same as ketosis. Additionally, people who eat lots of carbs use fat as energy; just not at the higher exertion levels that fat adapted athletes can use. Fat adaptation takes 8-12 weeks.

    2. Maybe, there are other factors involved.

    3. If you have CKD, talk to your nephrologist; but generally high protein is not recommended for CKD patients. Fortunately, keto is not high protein but high fat. If your urine is dark, that is usually an indication you need to drink more water.

    4. 1 week is not going to make a whole lot of difference in the big pictures. If you eat keto for a week, you will lose some water weight at the outset and gain that water back as soon as you return to eating high carb.

    5. In the long-term, this can work. In the short term (i.e. start a keto diet the day before exams), this is not a good idea. You haven't had a chance to adapt yet and may be experiencing "keto flu." Additionally, our brains can only use glucose and ketones for energy (but can't directly oxidize fat). Going through a transition to give your brain more ketones and less glucose at test time is ill advised. If you are going to do it, transition several weeks in advance of your exams or wait until they are over.

    6. The keto diet has shown some therapeutic benefit for some medical conditions. For otherwise healthy ("normal") individuals, it is often found to improve satiety and it is therefore easier to eat an appropriate amount.

    I appreciate it but for #6 let me clarify. I wanted to know like how long one should do keto diet. Like what is the ideal day or week length

    It depends... in my case, the medical improvement (much more consistent BG management) for type 1 diabetes is phenomenal. Since there is no cure for type 1, I will follow for life.

    If you are doing keto for satiety: then if you reach goal weight and stop, will you over-eat and gain weight again? If yes, then you should consider doing it forever.
  • brneydgrlie
    brneydgrlie Posts: 464 Member
    Keto is more of a lifestyle choice than just a diet. If you only plan on doing it for a week or so, you will most likely be disappointed. I've been doing keto for just about 2 months now. I've lost 12 lbs. But for the past 2 weeks the scale has barely moved (Google "keto whoosh"). This has not deterred me, though, because my clothing is continuously getting looser even without the scale moving. Also, I feel better than I have in ages, and have tons more energy.

    Benefits of eating this way include getting rid of sugar cravings and keeping blood sugar under control, balancing hormones if you have metabolic issues, and feeling satiated because of eating more fat than with other diets. Also, just because of the nature of the plan, it reduces the amount of processed and preservative-laden foods you are eating. If you find yourself constantly craving bread, pasta, or sweets, or get "hangry" between meals, keto may be a great option for you.

    Keep in mind, you are not likely to lose a hugely significant amount of weight in a single week, and most of what you do lose in that week will be water weight. So of course, if you go back to eating normally, the weight will come back.

    Furthermore, if you have dark urine, that is not always a sign of kidney problems. It happens when you are not drinking enough water. Barring that, it can also be a sign of high blood sugar.
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    So i have a couple questions regarding keto
    1) How long is it until most people use fat as energy aka ketosis.

    People use fat all the time for energy. Those in ketosis use fat most of the time and for most things (except some fuel specific parts like RBC's). One can be in ketosis most of the time within a day or two depending on activity level and carb intake. Fat adaption, where the body comes to prefer fats and ketones, takes a few weeks to momths.
    2) If I plan to go 1 week keto and then quit, will weight and possibly fat come back?

    Water weight will. If you ate like you did before losing weight and while gaining, then you will gain again.
    3). Is keto diet bad if you have kidney problems like dark urine. Like for me personally i only get dark urine when i get sick aka cold or flu

    Keto is safe for most kideny problems. Fat is not hard on the kidneys.
    As stated earlier, dark urine usually means dehydration.
    4) how should i quit a 1 week keto diet? Foodwise aka carbs

    It doesn't really matter unless you are low carb due to insulin resistance (in which case don't eat many carbs) or you need ketones for a health issue like mental clarity or treating reactive hypoglycemia.
    5) Is keto reccomended when approaching exams at school

    I wouldn't do it close to an exam. If you want the benefits of mental clarity, switch a couple of months early. You can also use coconut oil, or MCT oil, as your daily fat because that will raise ketones without being in a ketogenic diet.
    6) Whats the ideal time people should be using keto diet ?

    For health issues, or they like it, or because it helps control appetite and cravings. I fit all three so I've been ketogenic for a few years now.
  • noclady1995
    noclady1995 Posts: 452 Member
    I love keto, but it's definitely not magic or some miracle diet. I've done keto on and off for the last 2.5 years. And I do still do CICO while on it. The best thing about it for me is that I tend to eat more real foods - fresh meats, veggies, berries, fats like avocados and coconut oil. I also stay full on it longer. I do lose weight fast once I start, at the same time, once I stop I gain weight (water weight) just as fast. The main reason I do it is because it really helps with my migraines and with joint inflammation. I find that once I cut out a lot of carbs, these conditions improve a lot! I'm currently doing a low carb (~100g carbs) regimen to help with my migraines and joint flare ups, but may do keto if I need more help.
  • RoxieDawn
    RoxieDawn Posts: 15,488 Member
    No one has seen OP's other thread where he decided to NOT continue with keto.

    https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10662408/3-day-keto-result#latest
  • nutmegoreo
    nutmegoreo Posts: 15,532 Member
    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    No one has seen OP's other thread where he decided to NOT continue with keto.

    https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10662408/3-day-keto-result#latest
    Oh my...
  • deepwoodslady
    deepwoodslady Posts: 12,342 Member
    Ideas anyone? I have been on Keto since Jan 11, 2018. At first my glucose numbers improved so much that my PCP took me off of half my meds. However, for the past month it has crept back up and remains over 200 in fasting and also before meals (about 4 hours after lunch) is consistently almost 300. I do have a cheat day (or cheat meal) about once every 7-10 days when I go out of town, but I have done that since the beginning (it does seem to reboot my metabolism). However, my glucose numbers stay high even when I am not near a cheat day. My weight is still slowly dropping (I am now at 200.8 lbs). Does anyone have any ideas as to why my sugar improvement suddenly reversed? Any help is appreciated.
  • TeaBea
    TeaBea Posts: 14,517 Member
    Nothing magical about Keto.

    But in keto isnt your body using fat as fuel? But then i am contradicting myself because a caloric deficit makes your body use fat as fuel. So could you like guide me through? Like is keto a more extreme version of just calorie deficit? Because in a normal calorie deficit, your body still relies on carbs but when that 500 calorie deficit is present, does your body use fat as fuel? Or muscle?

    Food = fuel. Keto is a high fat diet, so yes your body will use fat as fuel. By the same token, someone who is eating carbs will use carbs as fuel.

    Eating at a calorie deficit causes your body to reach for fat stores. This calorie deficit can be reached eating high carb or low carb. High fat or low fat.....because weight loss is calorie in vs. calories out. Keto has not been shown to protect lean muscle mass (during weight loss) than other diets.
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    edited April 2018
    Ideas anyone? I have been on Keto since Jan 11, 2018. At first my glucose numbers improved so much that my PCP took me off of half my meds. However, for the past month it has crept back up and remains over 200 in fasting and also before meals (about 4 hours after lunch) is consistently almost 300. I do have a cheat day (or cheat meal) about once every 7-10 days when I go out of town, but I have done that since the beginning (it does seem to reboot my metabolism). However, my glucose numbers stay high even when I am not near a cheat day. My weight is still slowly dropping (I am now at 200.8 lbs). Does anyone have any ideas as to why my sugar improvement suddenly reversed? Any help is appreciated.

    @deepwoodslady
    There are a few things that raise BG:

    Stress
    Lack of sleep
    Reduced exercise
    Increased snacks (tends to keep BG and insulin higher)
    Eating too much
    Not enough insulin

    If you are eating very few carbs and your numbers are that high, then you may not be making enough insulin for your needs anymore. You may need to inject insulin.

    But more likely, if you are getting BG numbers that high while eating very low carb (for those numbers, I would try to eat fewer than 30g of carbs a day - closer to zero could be the better way to go) then your liver is making ridiculous amounts of glucose. You probably need metformin, or more of it. It reduces the glucose created.

    I would double check your carb counts. A meal of 10g of carbs, from leafy or green veggies, should not raise BG to 300g. :(

    I would skip your high carb days too. There is no need to reboot your metabolism (although I understand a quick loss after that would be motivating) and you may be doing yourself some damage. Those who are ketogenic tend to develop a mild physiological insulin resistance that lasts a day or so after reintroducing higher carbs. Unless you are burning those carbs off immediately through intense exercise, you are probably/possibly raising your BG to unhealthy levels for a day a few times a month. That could set your BG levels back by a few days. It might not be worth it.

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