full cream milk vs skim? CICO users weigh in on this?
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livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Skim froths better. I like frothy milk in my coffee.
Yep, when I make a cappuccino I use skim milk.. a barista friend told me the fat in regular milk stops it from frothing as well..
Otherwise I use regular milk and fit it into my calories because I think it tastes better.1 -
An aside rant: I dislike how some people advocate full fat things as a knee-jerk reaction to the conventional "dieting should be low fat". Why does it need to be black or white and devoid of context? Sometimes it's okay to choose lower calorie options where needed, and sometimes it's okay to choose higher calorie options where appropriate.
I like my omelets half whole half whites because using more cheese (which I can only eat full fat) is more important to me than using whole eggs all the way. For sunny side up, dipping bread in the yolk is important to me, so I go whole all the way but use less frying oil. I don't need to choose whole milk, whole eggs, or fattier cuts of meat all the time.
I don't make these lower calorie choices because I think they're somehow magical for dieting or that I need to follow a low fat diet in order to lose weight. I make them because they're appropriate for my goals and preferences sometimes. It's okay to eat "diet foods" sometimes. I need to cut calories somewhere to lose weight, so might as well utilize diet foods where the switch feels easy and doesn't leave me feeling deprived.13 -
@amusedmonkey you have obviously mastered calorie counting and eating within budget sustainably. I am still a little nervous about it and maintenance - have 8 or 9 lb to go. Trying to eat more intuitively but still track.
Thanks for the post - helpful
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Here’s an added fact about full fat milk. It has more vitamin A and D. But we usually drink 1% milk at home. Because that is what we got used to.1
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A dairy farmer I know told me that when you strip out the fat you also strip out a lot of the fat soluble vitamins and minerals, some of which aid the absorption of calcium. I tend to have full fat if my calorie allowance allows but also drink semi skimmed also almond milk if I need to save my calories for something else.3
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There’s also a couple of studies, one in children and another in women which suggests that those who eat full fat dairy products as opposed to low fat tend to have a lower body fat/ less risk of obesity later in childhood- the effect was attributed to the satiating effect of the full fat dairy.2
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For me it's the opposite, almost - I'm not so interested in volume and fullness, as mouthfeel and "satiety on a cellular level" (which probably sounds pretty new age until you've experienced it) - this makes it easier for me to, over time, not eat too much.Pastaprincess1978 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »I learnt that "The Hunger Scale" is a great intro to find your own personal hunger and satiety patterns, that cravings are usually a lot harder to resist than hunger, that managing my food intake sensibly makes me feel empowered, that I can want to eat and want to not eat at the same time, and that I need to honor my appetite (working in that).
Yep - and that it is worth time, effort and money to do that.
Agree on the cravings - never thought of that.
Honor your appetite? By eating foods that will allow enough volume to feel full and low cals to stay under target?2 -
ok - so tell us more about 'satiety on a cellular level'? Does sound interesting 2
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I use both, depending on the product. Full fat half and half in my tea, nonfat yogurt (Fage), full fat cottage cheese, and I get my lattes nonfat. It’s all just personal preference.3
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Pastaprincess1978 wrote: »Thanks for the thoughtful replies, all I tend towards 2% but hard to get here in China!
Something else worth considering: I also make my own yogurt using powdered milk. I fiddled with the instructions for "adding water" and found that I'm delighted with the results of using 2 portions of non-fat powder and 1 portion of full-fat powder to make the milk precursor for the yogurt.
If you can get powdered milk and your water is safe, you can have a steady supply of milk.
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I don't often drink milk but use it in cooking. I usually get whole milk.
My very thin dd drinks the milk and needs the calories. I am not going to buy 2 different kinds of milk for the amount I occasionally use in cooking.
There are options between skim milk and whole milk though. If your consumption is a small amount it probably doesn't make too much difference what you choose. If it is larger you might want a lower calorie option.3 -
I usually go for skim milk because milk or cream don't fill me up at all anyway.0
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I grew up with 2% and still use that. I like the taste and mouthfeel best and find it filling.1
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I only like whole milk, I don't see the point of other milks, if I don't want the calories I could just not have the milk.4
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It's so different from what is taught and considered right and important today, so I understand the woo's. It's feeling content, like things are as they should be, that all parts of your body are working properly, your mind is at ease, no more racing around to fill a void.Pastaprincess1978 wrote: »ok - so tell us more about 'satiety on a cellular level'? Does sound interesting6 -
I use the in between version - semi skimmed / 2% fat but its a matter of personal preference. Drink whichever one you prefer, you'll save some calories using the skimmed version, but fat does help with satiety/flavour.
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Pastaprincess1978 wrote: »lol I know - I guess I was just pointing out that I don't believe in keto or whatever
Keto exists. You should believe. You should also believe it is an unnecessary extreme that I don't think most people need but extremism is a constant and popular flavor in diets.
The weird part of dieting is learning to trust yourself again when it comes to food. What you eat or drink is completely up to you UNLESS you join one of the flavor diets then you hand someone else the reigns of what should be a personal freedom if you are among those of us privileged to have it. I can't imagine being the woman from the other night who wanted to have a little honey and was asking for permission from her Keto comrades.5 -
I only like whole milk, I don't see the point of other milks, if I don't want the calories I could just not have the milk.
Well, the point for me is that it has less calories - and I like it.
So I use skim milk in my coffee,on my breakfast cereal, in any cooking that uses milk, and when I occasionally drink milk by itself.
I could ' just not have the milk' - but I don't like black coffee or dry cereal, or foods like mashed potatoes made without milk.
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I use some whipping cream in my coffee on most days, along with some protein powder. It's higher in calories, and satiating, so I tend not to eat again until the early afternoon.
I did it while losing weight. My CI<CO.
Keto is not something to believe in. It's a diet used to treat some health issues, or as a personal preference. Sort of like the gluten free diet for celiacs or those who eat a Pritkin style diet.0 -
Keto is not something to believe in. It's a diet used to treat some health issues, or as a personal preference. Sort of like the gluten free diet for celiacs or those who eat a Pritkin style diet.
You seem like a smart person why did you leave fear off your list of why people choose this diet or that? Fear of staying heavy. Fear of needing something BIG to lose weight. You know. The thing that has been driving the diet industry for year and years.2 -
I prefer whole but get skim bc of the calories.0
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Thanks @JeromeBarry1 I am actually going to start making my own yoghurt when I return home. milk really cheap in aus but yoghurt not so much - go figure? 0
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thanks all
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I eat full fat and "non-fat" plain yogurt (without added sugars), I would rather go for full fat because it keeps me fuller longer.0
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Full cream for me. I make it fit.1
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Keto is not something to believe in. It's a diet used to treat some health issues, or as a personal preference. Sort of like the gluten free diet for celiacs or those who eat a Pritkin style diet.
You seem like a smart person why did you leave fear off your list of why people choose this diet or that? Fear of staying heavy. Fear of needing something BIG to lose weight. You know. The thing that has been driving the diet industry for year and years.
As you said, that drives the entire diet industry.0 -
As you said, that drives the entire diet industry.
So a percentage of Ketoers have chosen out of fear and not so much personal preference. I would hope you would agree that we should discourage anyone from choosing any diet plan that limits food choices unless they absolutely need it.2 -
I use 2% milk as it is my SO's preference to drink, I only use it in coffee.
If we have cream in for something else I use that. I don't go through enough in a week to make it worth buying- too many instances of pouring spoilt cream in my coffee
Both yogurt and cottage cheese I get in the 0-5% range. I love the full fat but, as I use either of these for my lunch protein source, I find 25-30g of protein plus full fat is too filling. (As a desert I may choose a lower protein so I can have the full fat.)
Cheers, h.
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2% for me, skim and 1% taste watery to me, and I don't enjoy full fat enough for it to be worth the calories. 2% froths pretty well too. Non fat sour cream as well.
I do eat full fat cream cheese. Because to me the low fat tastes like chalk. It's a matter of personal taste, I think. Make cuts on foods you don't care about to save calories for those which make a big difference to you.2 -
I use the extra-fatty kaffeemilch you can get here in Austria (never seen it outside of Germany or Austria) because it makes my morning cup of tea extra delicious...but since I use 20ml in a cup of tea once (maybe twice) a day, and don't tend to eat anything solid until 10:30 or 11am, I can happily incorporate the calories. It's worth it for the taste.
Same with full-fat Greek yoghurt - for me, the difference in taste and texture makes a huge difference to my enjoyment. Since it's carefully weighed out and factored in to both my calories and macros for the day, it's worth it for me.1
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