Too much or too little? Crossfitters needed
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Sorry if someone has already said this, but I’m not reading every response. I also am a crossfitter. A vast majority of CF workouts build your glutes, quads and shoulders. These are big muscles. Muscle is way denser and heavier then fat. As you continue to build muscle and increase weight in your lifts, your muscles will naturally continue to grow and the weight scale will not change to much. Weight loss isn’t the tell all truth that we think it is. What I do is not follow my weight so much as I follow my total body fat count. Go get your BF checked at a legit place where they either place you in a body fat measuring Pod or they check you in a pool. Once you measure it, it can be used as a great goal setter to decrease in a few months for the next time you check it. Hopefully this makes sense. In a nutshell follow your Body Fat loss instead of weight loss.
Building muscle mass is difficult and takes a lot of time, especially for women, and especially in a calorie deficit. It would be highly unlikely OP has gained enough muscle in 4 short weeks to even out the fat loss she's looking for.
Having said that, I agree that taking measurements can be a great way to keep yourself motivated while waiting for the scale to do its thing!7 -
Sorry if someone has already said this, but I’m not reading every response. I also am a crossfitter. A vast majority of CF workouts build your glutes, quads and shoulders. These are big muscles. Muscle is way denser and heavier then fat. As you continue to build muscle and increase weight in your lifts, your muscles will naturally continue to grow and the weight scale will not change to much. Weight loss isn’t the tell all truth that we think it is. What I do is not follow my weight so much as I follow my total body fat count. Go get your BF checked at a legit place where they either place you in a body fat measuring Pod or they check you in a pool. Once you measure it, it can be used as a great goal setter to decrease in a few months for the next time you check it. Hopefully this makes sense. In a nutshell follow your Body Fat loss instead of weight loss.
Nobody said it because it isn’t happening. It’s difficult to build muscle in a deficit, and even more so for women.
Simple. Don’t be in a deficit. Eat the right amount of healthy foods and stay in a range that supports the high energy and calorie demand that is Crossfit. The fat will drop and the muscle will grow. Trying to be in a deficit and demand your body to push in high intensity training is a tough thing to do.9 -
Sorry if someone has already said this, but I’m not reading every response. I also am a crossfitter. A vast majority of CF workouts build your glutes, quads and shoulders. These are big muscles. Muscle is way denser and heavier then fat. As you continue to build muscle and increase weight in your lifts, your muscles will naturally continue to grow and the weight scale will not change to much. Weight loss isn’t the tell all truth that we think it is. What I do is not follow my weight so much as I follow my total body fat count. Go get your BF checked at a legit place where they either place you in a body fat measuring Pod or they check you in a pool. Once you measure it, it can be used as a great goal setter to decrease in a few months for the next time you check it. Hopefully this makes sense. In a nutshell follow your Body Fat loss instead of weight loss.
Nobody said it because it isn’t happening. It’s difficult to build muscle in a deficit, and even more so for women.
Simple. Don’t be in a deficit. Eat the right amount of healthy foods and stay in a range that supports the high energy and calorie demand that is Crossfit. The fat will drop and the muscle will grow. Trying to be in a deficit and demand your body to push in high intensity training is a tough thing to do.
Not if the primary goal is weight loss, not muscle/strength gains.6 -
Sorry if someone has already said this, but I’m not reading every response. I also am a crossfitter. A vast majority of CF workouts build your glutes, quads and shoulders. These are big muscles. Muscle is way denser and heavier then fat. As you continue to build muscle and increase weight in your lifts, your muscles will naturally continue to grow and the weight scale will not change to much. Weight loss isn’t the tell all truth that we think it is. What I do is not follow my weight so much as I follow my total body fat count. Go get your BF checked at a legit place where they either place you in a body fat measuring Pod or they check you in a pool. Once you measure it, it can be used as a great goal setter to decrease in a few months for the next time you check it. Hopefully this makes sense. In a nutshell follow your Body Fat loss instead of weight loss.
Nobody said it because it isn’t happening. It’s difficult to build muscle in a deficit, and even more so for women.
Simple. Don’t be in a deficit. Eat the right amount of healthy foods and stay in a range that supports the high energy and calorie demand that is Crossfit. The fat will drop and the muscle will grow. Trying to be in a deficit and demand your body to push in high intensity training is a tough thing to do.
How does this help OP meet her specific goals?6 -
Sorry if someone has already said this, but I’m not reading every response. I also am a crossfitter. A vast majority of CF workouts build your glutes, quads and shoulders. These are big muscles. Muscle is way denser and heavier then fat. As you continue to build muscle and increase weight in your lifts, your muscles will naturally continue to grow and the weight scale will not change to much. Weight loss isn’t the tell all truth that we think it is. What I do is not follow my weight so much as I follow my total body fat count. Go get your BF checked at a legit place where they either place you in a body fat measuring Pod or they check you in a pool. Once you measure it, it can be used as a great goal setter to decrease in a few months for the next time you check it. Hopefully this makes sense. In a nutshell follow your Body Fat loss instead of weight loss.
Nobody said it because it isn’t happening. It’s difficult to build muscle in a deficit, and even more so for women.
Simple. Don’t be in a deficit. Eat the right amount of healthy foods and stay in a range that supports the high energy and calorie demand that is Crossfit. The fat will drop and the muscle will grow. Trying to be in a deficit and demand your body to push in high intensity training is a tough thing to do.
OP is at a stand still in her fat/weight loss efforts. Its okay that she wants a little faster fat loss through a small deficit. She has been given the right advice for her goal. As she gets closer to goal, she can choose to move to recomp to work on further fat loss with muscle building as a new goal should she want to.3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Sorry if someone has already said this, but I’m not reading every response. I also am a crossfitter. A vast majority of CF workouts build your glutes, quads and shoulders. These are big muscles. Muscle is way denser and heavier then fat. As you continue to build muscle and increase weight in your lifts, your muscles will naturally continue to grow and the weight scale will not change to much. Weight loss isn’t the tell all truth that we think it is. What I do is not follow my weight so much as I follow my total body fat count. Go get your BF checked at a legit place where they either place you in a body fat measuring Pod or they check you in a pool. Once you measure it, it can be used as a great goal setter to decrease in a few months for the next time you check it. Hopefully this makes sense. In a nutshell follow your Body Fat loss instead of weight loss.
Nobody said it because it isn’t happening. It’s difficult to build muscle in a deficit, and even more so for women.
Simple. Don’t be in a deficit. Eat the right amount of healthy foods and stay in a range that supports the high energy and calorie demand that is Crossfit. The fat will drop and the muscle will grow. Trying to be in a deficit and demand your body to push in high intensity training is a tough thing to do.
How does this help OP meet her specific goals?
I was responding to colliope4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Sorry if someone has already said this, but I’m not reading every response. I also am a crossfitter. A vast majority of CF workouts build your glutes, quads and shoulders. These are big muscles. Muscle is way denser and heavier then fat. As you continue to build muscle and increase weight in your lifts, your muscles will naturally continue to grow and the weight scale will not change to much. Weight loss isn’t the tell all truth that we think it is. What I do is not follow my weight so much as I follow my total body fat count. Go get your BF checked at a legit place where they either place you in a body fat measuring Pod or they check you in a pool. Once you measure it, it can be used as a great goal setter to decrease in a few months for the next time you check it. Hopefully this makes sense. In a nutshell follow your Body Fat loss instead of weight loss.
Nobody said it because it isn’t happening. It’s difficult to build muscle in a deficit, and even more so for women.
Simple. Don’t be in a deficit. Eat the right amount of healthy foods and stay in a range that supports the high energy and calorie demand that is Crossfit. The fat will drop and the muscle will grow. Trying to be in a deficit and demand your body to push in high intensity training is a tough thing to do.
How does this help OP meet her specific goals?
I was responding to colliope
If your advice isn't for OP to help her meet her goals, I'm not sure why you are posting it here.9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Sorry if someone has already said this, but I’m not reading every response. I also am a crossfitter. A vast majority of CF workouts build your glutes, quads and shoulders. These are big muscles. Muscle is way denser and heavier then fat. As you continue to build muscle and increase weight in your lifts, your muscles will naturally continue to grow and the weight scale will not change to much. Weight loss isn’t the tell all truth that we think it is. What I do is not follow my weight so much as I follow my total body fat count. Go get your BF checked at a legit place where they either place you in a body fat measuring Pod or they check you in a pool. Once you measure it, it can be used as a great goal setter to decrease in a few months for the next time you check it. Hopefully this makes sense. In a nutshell follow your Body Fat loss instead of weight loss.
Nobody said it because it isn’t happening. It’s difficult to build muscle in a deficit, and even more so for women.
Simple. Don’t be in a deficit. Eat the right amount of healthy foods and stay in a range that supports the high energy and calorie demand that is Crossfit. The fat will drop and the muscle will grow. Trying to be in a deficit and demand your body to push in high intensity training is a tough thing to do.
How does this help OP meet her specific goals?
I was responding to colliope
If your advice isn't for OP to help her meet her goals, I'm not sure why you are posting it here.
Hey turtle person, settle down. My initial response was to help her out. If you don’t like it, why don’t you just ignore it. Thanks for acting like the forum Mom.9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Sorry if someone has already said this, but I’m not reading every response. I also am a crossfitter. A vast majority of CF workouts build your glutes, quads and shoulders. These are big muscles. Muscle is way denser and heavier then fat. As you continue to build muscle and increase weight in your lifts, your muscles will naturally continue to grow and the weight scale will not change to much. Weight loss isn’t the tell all truth that we think it is. What I do is not follow my weight so much as I follow my total body fat count. Go get your BF checked at a legit place where they either place you in a body fat measuring Pod or they check you in a pool. Once you measure it, it can be used as a great goal setter to decrease in a few months for the next time you check it. Hopefully this makes sense. In a nutshell follow your Body Fat loss instead of weight loss.
Nobody said it because it isn’t happening. It’s difficult to build muscle in a deficit, and even more so for women.
Simple. Don’t be in a deficit. Eat the right amount of healthy foods and stay in a range that supports the high energy and calorie demand that is Crossfit. The fat will drop and the muscle will grow. Trying to be in a deficit and demand your body to push in high intensity training is a tough thing to do.
How does this help OP meet her specific goals?
I was responding to colliope
If your advice isn't for OP to help her meet her goals, I'm not sure why you are posting it here.
Hey turtle person, settle down. My initial response was to help her out. If you don’t like it, why don’t you just ignore it. Thanks for acting like the forum Mom.
Please, there's no need to get all emotional about this. This isn't about liking or disliking it, I just am not sure how your advice is relevant to OP's specific goals.
If you feel it is, nobody is stopping you from offering it. But it's possible that people may have questions about what you're recommending and that is okay too.4 -
Reread my original post and you will find your answer7
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DanielleTake2 wrote: »Calliope610 wrote: »
Measure - yes. Weigh - No. Most of your food logging is by volume (1 cup strawberries, 1/2 cup roasted carrots) or by piece (2 eggs, 1 banana, 1/2 med avocado). Weighing by ounce or by gram is much more accurate. Those "2 eggs" could range from 45-60+ grams each, a combined caloric difference of 44 calories. That "1/2 med avocado" is calorie dense and the logging inaccuracy could be significant.
Those small inaccuracies can negate any perceived reductions in caloric intake.
I hear you. And I understand, on an intellectual level, that this is a science - and accuracy matters. But, I have to admit... I'm a bit skeptical of weighing everything (even though I know people swear by it) because... honestly... did any of us get fat by eating an extra ounce of baby carrots? Or 2 extra grams of hard-boiled eggs?
I'm trying to balance getting results with making realistic changes I can stick to long term.
I'm thinking about that awful book that came out a few years ago called "French women don't get fat." Essentially, I'm fat because I have a fat person's mentality: FOOD IS THE ENEMY and if I eat it I should hate myself. And I'd really like to develop a healthier relationship with food. Food is something to be enjoyed in moderation.
I'm really just venting here. NOT trying to offend anyone or sound like I know better (because I don't.) Just spitballin'
In the beginning it is important to go through the exercise and learn the basics. Does the variance in calories in baby carrots matter in comparison to ice cream? Why after 3 years I don't weigh carrots, but I almost always weight calorie dense foods when in a deficit. Similar to a financial budget I don't haggle over a pack of gum, but will fight to the death over a home price. If your margin of error is small, then it is best to minimize that error.
Also difficult to maintain a deficit and work out at a high level. You may see short term gains, but suffer in the long run. What's the point? You're doing this for life, not for next week. Be patient. Go slowly. You aren't going to see visible results in days or likely even weeks. Depending on your current level of fitness it may take months/years to see gains, but man is it worth it.4 -
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janejellyroll wrote: »
I was saying to follow your BF instead of a scale. You get a better picture as to your progress. I’m over it7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
I was saying to follow your BF instead of a scale. You get a better picture as to your progress. I’m over it
1) OP is already tracking BF, and also how her clothes fit. In addition to the scale.
2) Water retention is a common issue when taking up a new exercise program, and will often mask fat loss for a significant time period.
3) Building muscle does not happen significantly in the short term, and not quickly enough to offset fat loss. Especially when in a calorie deficit and especially for women. Under optimal conditions for hypertrophy (which don't include being in a calorie deficit, nor do they include doing Crossfit as your primary workout), a woman can expect to put on about 1/4 pound of muscle per week.
4) For beginning strength trainers, strength gains far outpace muscle gains due to neuromuscular adaptation (increases in fiber recruitment and rate coding) and psychomotor efficiency. You get a lot stronger before you start getting bigger.
5) Crossfit isn't a hypertrophy-oriented workout in the first place, so it's doubtful that OP is putting on slabs of muscle doing Crossfit as a female beginner while in a caloric deficit.12 -
Calliope610 wrote: »DanielleTake2 wrote: »Calliope610 wrote: »
Measure - yes. Weigh - No. Most of your food logging is by volume (1 cup strawberries, 1/2 cup roasted carrots) or by piece (2 eggs, 1 banana, 1/2 med avocado). Weighing by ounce or by gram is much more accurate. Those "2 eggs" could range from 45-60+ grams each, a combined caloric difference of 44 calories. That "1/2 med avocado" is calorie dense and the logging inaccuracy could be significant.
Those small inaccuracies can negate any perceived reductions in caloric intake.
I hear you. And I understand, on an intellectual level, that this is a science - and accuracy matters. But, I have to admit... I'm a bit skeptical of weighing everything (even though I know people swear by it) because... honestly... did any of us get fat by eating an extra ounce of baby carrots? Or 2 extra grams of hard-boiled eggs?
I'm trying to balance getting results with making realistic changes I can stick to long term.
I'm thinking about that awful book that came out a few years ago called "French women don't get fat." Essentially, I'm fat because I have a fat person's mentality: FOOD IS THE ENEMY and if I eat it I should hate myself. And I'd really like to develop a healthier relationship with food. Food is something to be enjoyed in moderation.
I'm really just venting here. NOT trying to offend anyone or sound like I know better (because I don't.) Just spitballin'
If you are eating (based on your logging) @ 1750cals and your TDEE is 2000cals, your deficit is only 250cals/day, which translates into a weight loss of about 1/2 lb per week.
Those couple extra grams and ounces can be critical when dealing with such a small deficit. Especially if the logging isn't tight and accurate. I don't intend to criticize your methods, but if one isn't aware of potential problems, one can't correct them in order to reach the desired results.
Case in point, your dairy listed Grilled chicken - Chicken, 5 oz @ 125 calories. USDA database for boneless, skinless grilled chicken breast at 210cal for a 5oz serving. 85 calorie discrepancy. Now your deficit is 165 calories. An ounce here, a couple of grams there reduces your deficit even more, until you are really just eating at maintenance and not losing weight at all.
This approach does not negate the concept of healthy food relationships or even enjoying what you eat. This approach merely addresses accurately assessing how much you consume so you can realistically set weight loss expectations and avoid having nightmares involving unchanging numbers on the scale.
Very well put. Thank you for taking the time to respond.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
I was saying to follow your BF instead of a scale. You get a better picture as to your progress. I’m over it
OP is already tracking her body fat and measurements.0 -
Update! Just putting this out there for posterity:
It's been 3-ish weeks since I first posted this call for help. I've been weighing all of my proteins, carbs, and fats; logging everything; staying active (crossfit 3 days/wk plus 1 day/wk of yoga) and I've lost weight!
I'm down to 154 today (avg loss of about .5 lbs/week since late April) and my clothes definitely fit better.
Thanks to all who commented with advice, encouragement, and even "tough love."
My biggest takeaway has been that if I am aiming for a small weekly caloric deficit (to lose .5 lbs/wk) I have to be really accurate with my logging because there's such a small margin of error! This makes perfect, logical sense... but it took a while for that lesson to completely sink in for me.
Best of luck to all.8
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