Advice needed: Early lifting plateau?

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  • DopeItUp
    DopeItUp Posts: 18,771 Member
    edited April 2018
    You numbers are actually really good for someone only training for 2 months (other than your squat, which you are obviously mailing in as you mentioned). It takes a long time to get strong, diminishing returns makes it slower and slower as you go. It's especially worse when you're eating in a deficit, and let's be honest you're not a very big guy to begin with.

    I don't think anything is glaringly wrong with your numbers or your progress (other than the squat). You're just gonna have to work harder on your technique and your programming. If your bench numbers are bothering you that much then increase your volume and frequency. Right now it looks like you're only doing 2-4 working sets of bench a week with 1-2 warmup sets. That's basically nothing. Bench 2-3 a week, say 3-5 working sets per session. Start on the low end of that and work your way up. Your bench WILL improve.

    If doing nothing but bench is annoying then swap in some close-grip bench and/or incline bench. If you're not eating enough you may have to eat at maintenance or a surplus for a while to get some mass to get stronger. You will get there. It took me a lonnnnng time (years) to get even a moderately respectable bench and I weigh ~250lbs.
  • lev_k
    lev_k Posts: 21 Member
    Hi All,

    As promised, I did my best to incorporate all the advice I got... and have more videos, would appreciate any further feedback.

    Squats:

    I'm actually feeling really good about squatsright now. Put a lot more emphasis on a tighter core (especially at the bottom).

    https://youtu.be/zn2Y0o8N5C4

    https://youtu.be/zn2Y0o8N5C4

    OHP:

    Tried to focus on keeping everything tight from bottom up, and a lot more emphasis on locking my arms at the top and doing a sort of "shrug" to utilize traps. But it's difficult to keep everything tight at a heavy weight.

    https://youtu.be/_nsQMusfptk

    https://youtu.be/Ms0Dbf_QEbg

    Bench:

    This one I'm still struggling with. Tried to put an emphasis on keeping everything tight (even using legs to push and create more power inwards, but it's very difficult to focus on everything at a heavy weight. Not sure if it's visible in the video, but I try to re-position my traps as necessary between reps. Some of the pressure did come off my arms though, which I think is a step in the right direction.

    https://youtu.be/LI3EL9d41zk

    DL:

    Tried to incorporate the advice here as much as I could. Just like everything else, more emphasis on tightness, and dipped a little bit lower with glutes.

    https://youtu.be/CPP4l8N9GWs

    Appreciate all the help.
  • lev_k
    lev_k Posts: 21 Member
    bump.
  • Davidsdottir
    Davidsdottir Posts: 1,285 Member
    I agree with the above that your form looks decent. I had a mental block on squats for months and months at 135#. For some reason, I couldn't get myself to physically put any more weight on the bar. I've been doing Wendler's 531 for my main lifts during this bulk, and last week did 195# for 5 reps. I'm not recommending Wendler's specifically. I'm just saying I understand not being able to get out of your own head.
  • lev_k
    lev_k Posts: 21 Member
    I agree with the above that your form looks decent. I had a mental block on squats for months and months at 135#. For some reason, I couldn't get myself to physically put any more weight on the bar. I've been doing Wendler's 531 for my main lifts during this bulk, and last week did 195# for 5 reps. I'm not recommending Wendler's specifically. I'm just saying I understand not being able to get out of your own head.

    Yeah, sometimes it feels like the biggest problem is just the anxiety and fear of lifting heavy weights. And yet, I'm not quite sure how one is suppose to get over a mental block yet. Guess it doesn't help the fact that I'm almost always lifting with no spotter.
  • Davidsdottir
    Davidsdottir Posts: 1,285 Member
    lev_k wrote: »
    I agree with the above that your form looks decent. I had a mental block on squats for months and months at 135#. For some reason, I couldn't get myself to physically put any more weight on the bar. I've been doing Wendler's 531 for my main lifts during this bulk, and last week did 195# for 5 reps. I'm not recommending Wendler's specifically. I'm just saying I understand not being able to get out of your own head.

    Yeah, sometimes it feels like the biggest problem is just the anxiety and fear of lifting heavy weights. And yet, I'm not quite sure how one is suppose to get over a mental block yet. Guess it doesn't help the fact that I'm almost always lifting with no spotter.

    Honestly, I use the 531 app and load the bar with whatever it tells me. Seven months and I'm still going strong.
  • Erik8484
    Erik8484 Posts: 458 Member
    lev_k wrote: »
    Hi All,

    Bench:

    This one I'm still struggling with. Tried to put an emphasis on keeping everything tight (even using legs to push and create more power inwards, but it's very difficult to focus on everything at a heavy weight. Not sure if it's visible in the video, but I try to re-position my traps as necessary between reps. Some of the pressure did come off my arms though, which I think is a step in the right direction.

    What's your weekly bench press volume at the moment? How many sets had you done before this video? How many more reps do you think you could have done in the set that you filmed?
  • lev_k
    lev_k Posts: 21 Member
    Erik8484 wrote: »
    lev_k wrote: »
    Hi All,

    Bench:

    This one I'm still struggling with. Tried to put an emphasis on keeping everything tight (even using legs to push and create more power inwards, but it's very difficult to focus on everything at a heavy weight. Not sure if it's visible in the video, but I try to re-position my traps as necessary between reps. Some of the pressure did come off my arms though, which I think is a step in the right direction.

    What's your weekly bench press volume at the moment? How many sets had you done before this video? How many more reps do you think you could have done in the set that you filmed?

    1. What's your weekly bench press volume at the moment?
    If you mean how much do I bench in a week - I alternate between Workout A and Workout B, and do bench during Workout B (3 workouts per week), so that means it's either 1s or 2s a week (alternating). It's 3 sets of 5 reps working sets for each Workout B.

    2. How many sets had you done before this video?
    This was my first set.

    3. How many more reps do you think you could have done in the set that you filmed?
    This was definitely my last rep, if I had a spotter I could've maybe barely squeezed out one more, but that's really pushing it.
  • lev_k
    lev_k Posts: 21 Member
    Oops... just realized I put 2 of the same squat videos. Here's a back view, as I think this was a request earlier in the thread.

    https://youtu.be/wqavgJnSCKw
  • Erik8484
    Erik8484 Posts: 458 Member
    edited May 2018
    lev_k wrote: »
    Erik8484 wrote: »
    lev_k wrote: »
    Hi All,

    Bench:

    This one I'm still struggling with. Tried to put an emphasis on keeping everything tight (even using legs to push and create more power inwards, but it's very difficult to focus on everything at a heavy weight. Not sure if it's visible in the video, but I try to re-position my traps as necessary between reps. Some of the pressure did come off my arms though, which I think is a step in the right direction.

    What's your weekly bench press volume at the moment? How many sets had you done before this video? How many more reps do you think you could have done in the set that you filmed?

    1. What's your weekly bench press volume at the moment?
    If you mean how much do I bench in a week - I alternate between Workout A and Workout B, and do bench during Workout B (3 workouts per week), so that means it's either 1s or 2s a week (alternating). It's 3 sets of 5 reps working sets for each Workout B.

    2. How many sets had you done before this video?
    This was my first set.

    3. How many more reps do you think you could have done in the set that you filmed?
    This was definitely my last rep, if I had a spotter I could've maybe barely squeezed out one more, but that's really pushing it.

    To me, there's nothing glaringly wrong with your bench form that would explain why you can't continue to progress. I don't mean to say that it's perfect, just that as a novice it won't be perfect, and that you should still be able to progress. I would suggest that the problem may be with your weight selection.

    I don't think it's optimal, from a strength development over time perspective, to go to failure on set 1 of 3, every other workout.

    I have been in a situation similar to you, where my squat wasn't progressing and I was going to failure every time I squatted. I overcame that problem when I:
    1. Dropped my squat weight so that I had 2 reps left in the tank after set 1
    2. Used fraction plates to increase the weight each week at a rate that kept set 1 at 2 reps left in the tank. For my squat that ended up being 2 lbs per week. For my bench it was 1-2 lbs per week. I had been benching / squatting for longer than you, and was benching and squatting more weight than you, so you would have to play around with those numbers.
    3. Upped my squatting frequency to 3 days per week.

    Given that you're running SS (I think), just 1 and 2, with the weight bumps occurring every bench day, may be appropriate. The key may be in selecting the right weight to bump by each week, so that you don't end up lifting to failure in week 2 or 3 (or 4, etc).
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