CICO, time of day, and beer/alcohol
Seanb_us
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Hi,
Looking for general discussion on beer and alcohol and calories in/calories out (cico).
My understanding from reading here is that cico rules. More calories out than in, you lose weight.
Cico rules over types of food and cico rules over when the calories are consumed.
So, figuring an average 12oz beer is 150 cals, or 200 cals for a hoppy craft beer, that's not much more than soda pop. Would a couple of beers have any other effects that would cause you to gain weight over a similarly-caloried soft drink?
1) That is, if you have two beers and your intake is less than your outtake, then the beers are the same as soda, right?
2) Also, my understanding is that time of day is unimportant. If you eat all 1500 calories right before bed, and that's all you eat all day, and calories in is less than calories out, that's the same as if you spread those 1500 calories over a breakfast and lunch and fasted for dinner, correct?
This seems counter-intuitive to me only because I sleep at night and don't use energy then, so it would seem the calories would go straight to storage (body fat).
So, am just looking for perspectives and discussion around time of day and alcohol/beer. Thanks for your thoughts.
Sean
Looking for general discussion on beer and alcohol and calories in/calories out (cico).
My understanding from reading here is that cico rules. More calories out than in, you lose weight.
Cico rules over types of food and cico rules over when the calories are consumed.
So, figuring an average 12oz beer is 150 cals, or 200 cals for a hoppy craft beer, that's not much more than soda pop. Would a couple of beers have any other effects that would cause you to gain weight over a similarly-caloried soft drink?
1) That is, if you have two beers and your intake is less than your outtake, then the beers are the same as soda, right?
2) Also, my understanding is that time of day is unimportant. If you eat all 1500 calories right before bed, and that's all you eat all day, and calories in is less than calories out, that's the same as if you spread those 1500 calories over a breakfast and lunch and fasted for dinner, correct?
This seems counter-intuitive to me only because I sleep at night and don't use energy then, so it would seem the calories would go straight to storage (body fat).
So, am just looking for perspectives and discussion around time of day and alcohol/beer. Thanks for your thoughts.
Sean
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Hi,
Looking for general discussion on beer and alcohol and calories in/calories out (cico).
My understanding from reading here is that cico rules. More calories out than in, you lose weight.
Cico rules over types of food and cico rules over when the calories are consumed.
So, figuring an average 12oz beer is 150 cals, or 200 cals for a hoppy craft beer, that's not much more than soda pop. Would a couple of beers have any other effects that would cause you to gain weight over a similarly-caloried soft drink? - NOPE
1) That is, if you have two beers and your intake is less than your outtake, then the beers are the same as soda, right? - YEP
2) Also, my understanding is that time of day is unimportant. If you eat all 1500 calories right before bed, and that's all you eat all day, and calories in is less than calories out, that's the same as if you spread those 1500 calories over a breakfast and lunch and fasted for dinner, correct? - YEP
This seems counter-intuitive to me only because I sleep at night and don't use energy then, so it would seem the calories would go straight to storage (body fat).
So, am just looking for perspectives and discussion around time of day and alcohol/beer. Thanks for your thoughts.
Sean
FYI, alcohol causes me to retain water, so I show a jump on the scale for a few days after I've imbibed. But it's water weight, not fat gain.8 -
Hi,
Looking for general discussion on beer and alcohol and calories in/calories out (cico).
My understanding from reading here is that cico rules. More calories out than in, you lose weight.
Cico rules over types of food and cico rules over when the calories are consumed.
So, figuring an average 12oz beer is 150 cals, or 200 cals for a hoppy craft beer, that's not much more than soda pop. Would a couple of beers have any other effects that would cause you to gain weight over a similarly-caloried soft drink?
1) That is, if you have two beers and your intake is less than your outtake, then the beers are the same as soda, right?
2) Also, my understanding is that time of day is unimportant. If you eat all 1500 calories right before bed, and that's all you eat all day, and calories in is less than calories out, that's the same as if you spread those 1500 calories over a breakfast and lunch and fasted for dinner, correct?
This seems counter-intuitive to me only because I sleep at night and don't use energy then, so it would seem the calories would go straight to storage (body fat).
So, am just looking for perspectives and discussion around time of day and alcohol/beer. Thanks for your thoughts.
Sean
You use energy 24/7. Outside of being an athlete or training like one, your BMR is going to be your biggest energy expenditure...that is the energy you expend just being alive...you burn those calories in a coma. My BMR is roughly 1,800 calories (pretty much average male)...I'd say that's a lot of energy expenditure for doing nothing else besides existing.7 -
To help the discussion, I found this eight-year-old article about alcohol, beer, weight gain, and the glycemic index.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/new-book-claims-that-nightly-glass-of-wine-wont-go-straight-to-the-hips/news-story/34f60b297b9d6be65a929b03a02c78ce0 -
I have a glass of wine or a beer everyday and it hasn’t hindered my weight loss. I also eat about half my calories in the evening. So far, I’ve lost over 60 pounds with 30-40 to go.
With that being said, make sure you’re getting the right amount of protein and fat for health and nutrition.6 -
As long as you stay under your calorie goal, you'll lose weight. Doesn't matter if you drink alcohol. Account for it in your day. If you're looking for lower calorie options, check out http://getdrunknotfat.com/ . Helps me if I do go out for drinks.0
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To help the discussion, I found this eight-year-old article about alcohol, beer, weight gain, and the glycemic index.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/new-book-claims-that-nightly-glass-of-wine-wont-go-straight-to-the-hips/news-story/34f60b297b9d6be65a929b03a02c78ce
Calories from alcohol can't be stored...they have to metabolized immediately. When alcohol is in your system, your body shifts exclusively to metabolizing the alcohol and other metabolic processes are put on hold.
I personally don't have much luck when I need to cut with drinking beer but have no problem when drinking diet vodka cocktails. I would assume much of that has to do with the fact that beer has calories from more than just the alcohol, so those other calories won't be metabolized while I have alcohol in my system...IDK...but I never lose weight drinking beer regularly...no problems when it's diet vodka cocktails.6 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »To help the discussion, I found this eight-year-old article about alcohol, beer, weight gain, and the glycemic index.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/new-book-claims-that-nightly-glass-of-wine-wont-go-straight-to-the-hips/news-story/34f60b297b9d6be65a929b03a02c78ce
Calories from alcohol can't be stored...they have to metabolized immediately. When alcohol is in your system, your body shifts exclusively to metabolizing the alcohol and other metabolic processes are put on hold.
I personally don't have much luck when I need to cut with drinking beer but have no problem when drinking diet vodka cocktails. I would assume much of that has to do with the fact that beer has calories from more than just the alcohol, so those other calories won't be metabolized while I have alcohol in my system...IDK...but I never lose weight drinking beer regularly...no problems when it's diet vodka cocktails.
Right. What I read was that beer has a high glycemic index, so that the body gets a ton of glucose from it, whereas wine and hard liquor have a low glycemic index, so the body gets little glucose from them. That is, it isn't the alcohol in beer that's giving you weight gain, it's the malt and other stuff.2 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »Hi,
Looking for general discussion on beer and alcohol and calories in/calories out (cico).
My understanding from reading here is that cico rules. More calories out than in, you lose weight.
Cico rules over types of food and cico rules over when the calories are consumed.
So, figuring an average 12oz beer is 150 cals, or 200 cals for a hoppy craft beer, that's not much more than soda pop. Would a couple of beers have any other effects that would cause you to gain weight over a similarly-caloried soft drink? - NOPE
1) That is, if you have two beers and your intake is less than your outtake, then the beers are the same as soda, right? - YEP
2) Also, my understanding is that time of day is unimportant. If you eat all 1500 calories right before bed, and that's all you eat all day, and calories in is less than calories out, that's the same as if you spread those 1500 calories over a breakfast and lunch and fasted for dinner, correct? - YEP
This seems counter-intuitive to me only because I sleep at night and don't use energy then, so it would seem the calories would go straight to storage (body fat).
So, am just looking for perspectives and discussion around time of day and alcohol/beer. Thanks for your thoughts.
Sean
FYI, alcohol causes me to retain water, so I show a jump on the scale for a few days after I've imbibed. But it's water weight, not fat gain.
^^^^^^^^ All of this!!!!
Also, the problem with alcohol is rarely the calories in the drink, but the effect alcohol has on judgement. If I have one beer and a burger for lunch I'm fine. When I go to the annual harvest wine festival (unlimited free samples from about 40 wineries....aka I get pretty intoxicated), suddenly eating 3 of everything sounds like a great idea.
As far as time of day is concerned, unless you're a Gremlin, we don't magically reset at midnight. I don't eat much during the day, but have large dinners and late night snacks. Because my whole day is in a deficit, I still lose weight. Doesn't matter when I eat.4 -
Hi,
Looking for general discussion on beer and alcohol and calories in/calories out (cico).
My understanding from reading here is that cico rules. More calories out than in, you lose weight.
Cico rules over types of food and cico rules over when the calories are consumed.
So, figuring an average 12oz beer is 150 cals, or 200 cals for a hoppy craft beer, that's not much more than soda pop. Would a couple of beers have any other effects that would cause you to gain weight over a similarly-caloried soft drink?
1) That is, if you have two beers and your intake is less than your outtake, then the beers are the same as soda, right?
From a calorie standpoint, yes. There is some difference in metabolizing alcohol vs a sugary soda that may lead to some temporary water retention, but calories being equal there would be no effective difference over time.2) Also, my understanding is that time of day is unimportant. If you eat all 1500 calories right before bed, and that's all you eat all day, and calories in is less than calories out, that's the same as if you spread those 1500 calories over a breakfast and lunch and fasted for dinner, correct?
Effectively yes. Spread that concept over a week or a month. If you need 2000 cal/day, and you eat 1500, you will have a net deficit of 3500 for a week (approx 1 lb of fat), and a 15,000 cal deficit for 30 days (approx 4.2 lb of fat). The key is looking at it over the longer term and not getting bogged down in the minutia over the course of one individual day.
The bolded is not true. You use energy at all times: you are breathing, your heart is beating, your kidneys and digestive system are working, cells are dividing, your brain is working, etc etc etc. Your BMR is effectively the energy your body needs for all of those functions, not including voluntary muscle movement.This seems counter-intuitive to me only because I sleep at night and don't use energy then, so it would seem the calories would go straight to storage (body fat).
In actuality, a fair bit of fat usage occurs during sleep for many people because the body has to rely on it's reserves until you have your next meal.So, am just looking for perspectives and discussion around time of day and alcohol/beer. Thanks for your thoughts.
Sean
Good luck.
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I’m just mad that two good beers is equal to an entire meal’s worth of calories for me! I miss the days of being oblivious to that10
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Thanks all! I weigh in on Tuesdays, so will see what tomorrow brings.0
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cwolfman13 wrote: »To help the discussion, I found this eight-year-old article about alcohol, beer, weight gain, and the glycemic index.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/new-book-claims-that-nightly-glass-of-wine-wont-go-straight-to-the-hips/news-story/34f60b297b9d6be65a929b03a02c78ce
Calories from alcohol can't be stored...they have to metabolized immediately. When alcohol is in your system, your body shifts exclusively to metabolizing the alcohol and other metabolic processes are put on hold.
I personally don't have much luck when I need to cut with drinking beer but have no problem when drinking diet vodka cocktails. I would assume much of that has to do with the fact that beer has calories from more than just the alcohol, so those other calories won't be metabolized while I have alcohol in my system...IDK...but I never lose weight drinking beer regularly...no problems when it's diet vodka cocktails.
Right. What I read was that beer has a high glycemic index, so that the body gets a ton of glucose from it, whereas wine and hard liquor have a low glycemic index, so the body gets little glucose from them. That is, it isn't the alcohol in beer that's giving you weight gain, it's the malt and other stuff.
Note that the difference in metabolic pathways is occurring on a molecular level. To put this into real values would look something like this:
If Subject A Drinks 150 calories of Coke or Guinness it's irrelevant from a weight management perspective. Even if another pathway is utilized this is less than the degree of instrument error and quite meaningless.
Surplus calories result in weight gain, not any specific component of the calories.
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Note that the difference in metabolic pathways is occurring on a molecular level. To put this into real values would look something like this:
If Subject A Drinks 150 calories of Coke or Guinness it's irrelevant from a weight management perspective. Even if another pathway is utilized this is less than the degree of instrument error and quite meaningless.
Surplus calories result in weight gain, not any specific component of the calories.
So, glycemic index value is irrelevant when determining weight gain or loss, it really is about CICO?1 -
Note that the difference in metabolic pathways is occurring on a molecular level. To put this into real values would look something like this:
If Subject A Drinks 150 calories of Coke or Guinness it's irrelevant from a weight management perspective. Even if another pathway is utilized this is less than the degree of instrument error and quite meaningless.
Surplus calories result in weight gain, not any specific component of the calories.
So, glycemic index value is irrelevant when determining weight gain or loss, it really is about CICO?
The data suggests that while this may be a variable, there does not seem to be any meaningful impact from glycemic index. Especially considering the variances involved in metabolism. Basal metabolics adapts in the moment - similar to a fire. Provide more fuel and the fire reacts accordingly - hotter fire, but less sustainability.
Things like glycemic index may be observable in extreme outliers, such as in the bodybuilding community, but for anyone over 10% bodyfat this would be undetectable and insignificant.0 -
Fell off the healthy-eating wagon yesterday. Am going to call it a "bad cheat day" and move back to how I have been eating. Hopefully one day won't derail me too badly.1
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Fell off the healthy-eating wagon yesterday. Am going to call it a "bad cheat day" and move back to how I have been eating. Hopefully one day won't derail me too badly.
One day is just one day. get back on the horse, wagon, etc tomorrow and ride on. Don't try to punish yourself or make up for yesterday. Just press on.1 -
Hi,
Thanks for that. Actually, punishing myself did come to mind, as did making up for yesterday. I might still try the latter, but over the week and not just in one day.
Cheers,
Sean
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cwolfman13 wrote: »To help the discussion, I found this eight-year-old article about alcohol, beer, weight gain, and the glycemic index.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/new-book-claims-that-nightly-glass-of-wine-wont-go-straight-to-the-hips/news-story/34f60b297b9d6be65a929b03a02c78ce
Calories from alcohol can't be stored...they have to metabolized immediately. When alcohol is in your system, your body shifts exclusively to metabolizing the alcohol and other metabolic processes are put on hold.
I personally don't have much luck when I need to cut with drinking beer but have no problem when drinking diet vodka cocktails. I would assume much of that has to do with the fact that beer has calories from more than just the alcohol, so those other calories won't be metabolized while I have alcohol in my system...IDK...but I never lose weight drinking beer regularly...no problems when it's diet vodka cocktails.
Who the hell woo'ed you for this? You are absolutely right!1 -
psychod787 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »To help the discussion, I found this eight-year-old article about alcohol, beer, weight gain, and the glycemic index.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/new-book-claims-that-nightly-glass-of-wine-wont-go-straight-to-the-hips/news-story/34f60b297b9d6be65a929b03a02c78ce
Calories from alcohol can't be stored...they have to metabolized immediately. When alcohol is in your system, your body shifts exclusively to metabolizing the alcohol and other metabolic processes are put on hold.
I personally don't have much luck when I need to cut with drinking beer but have no problem when drinking diet vodka cocktails. I would assume much of that has to do with the fact that beer has calories from more than just the alcohol, so those other calories won't be metabolized while I have alcohol in my system...IDK...but I never lose weight drinking beer regularly...no problems when it's diet vodka cocktails.
Who the hell woo'ed you for this? You are absolutely right!
Since lots of people mistakenly think the Woo button means "Woo hoo!", a positive, I just ignore it.1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »To help the discussion, I found this eight-year-old article about alcohol, beer, weight gain, and the glycemic index.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/new-book-claims-that-nightly-glass-of-wine-wont-go-straight-to-the-hips/news-story/34f60b297b9d6be65a929b03a02c78ce
Calories from alcohol can't be stored...they have to metabolized immediately. When alcohol is in your system, your body shifts exclusively to metabolizing the alcohol and other metabolic processes are put on hold.
I personally don't have much luck when I need to cut with drinking beer but have no problem when drinking diet vodka cocktails. I would assume much of that has to do with the fact that beer has calories from more than just the alcohol, so those other calories won't be metabolized while I have alcohol in my system...IDK...but I never lose weight drinking beer regularly...no problems when it's diet vodka cocktails.
Who the hell woo'ed you for this? You are absolutely right!
Since lots of people mistakenly think the Woo button means "Woo hoo!", a positive, I just ignore it.
When I first joined I thought this and was super confused when people referred to stuff as "woo posts" in a negative way. That and on desktop the emoji is super small, and much less clear it's a negative than on mobile.0
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