Lowering carbs
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Whoa, that's dangerous. There is no problem with getting a second opinion from a second doctor. But be careful when looking for a doctor: remember, "patient" is a euphemism for "customer", and business likes repeat customers.Do you think resetting myfitnesspal goals to 20% carbs, 25% fat, and 55% protein would be a good approach to setting values on what low-carb means?
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Interesting conversation. I am caught between continuing to eat moderate carbs and increase plant-based foods, while reducing overall caloric intake. My daughter has done keto for a month and a half and she has lost almost 15 pounds. She eats only carbs from fruit and vegetables, but she eats higher protein. I've lost no weight in the three weeks I have limited fats and carbs. It's hard to choose, but in the end, I guess we just have to go with what works for us regardless of what others do. I'm still searching for what works for me, so this is interesting stuff.
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Hey,
Thanks for the thoughts. Some additional info:
My doc didn't say 20 carbs, 25 fat, and 55 protein. He also didn't say 1600 calories a day, which was what I first set as my goal. So, I was asking the group if those seemed reasonable for what the doc did say:
Paraphrased, he said: "Don't eat potatoes, bread, pasta, or rice. As a guide, have bacon and eggs for breakfast and a salad with grilled chicken for lunch. Fast for dinner during the week. On the weekends, eat more as long as you account for it with exercise."
So, I took that as reduce carbs (don't eliminate them) but proteins and fat are okay. I wanted to see what was reasonable as I started this. (As an aside, why is what I proposed dangerous?)
Anyway, based on just what I could reasonably consumed, I set this to 25% carbs, 40% fat, and 35% protein. I am thinking of changing that again this month to reflect more closely what I am finding that I can do (I am over on carbs some days).
I also have changed my target calories to 1800 per day and am making sure to walk 3 miles 3-4 times a week. My starting weight was 254 and am 5' 7".
I am still not eating potatoes, bread, pasta, or rice.
Cheers,
Sean0 -
ljashley1952 wrote: »Interesting conversation. I am caught between continuing to eat moderate carbs and increase plant-based foods, while reducing overall caloric intake. My daughter has done keto for a month and a half and she has lost almost 15 pounds. She eats only carbs from fruit and vegetables, but she eats higher protein. I've lost no weight in the three weeks I have limited fats and carbs. It's hard to choose, but in the end, I guess we just have to go with what works for us regardless of what others do. I'm still searching for what works for me, so this is interesting stuff.
Bottom line is about reducing calories. I began by eating a lot of fruit, because, yum, but there's a lot of sugar in there. Veggies are a better, but more yucky option. By reducing but not eliminating carbs, by getting rid of pasta and spuds, for example, I am reducing calories. Am drinking way less beer, too, which helps me. And, am eating protein because I find it filling but also because, correctly or not, I perceive it's better for me than fat.
Overall, though, I think fasting for dinner is really helping because of the calorie deficit.
Cheers,
Sean0 -
Hey,
Thanks for the thoughts. Some additional info:
My doc didn't say 20 carbs, 25 fat, and 55 protein. He also didn't say 1600 calories a day, which was what I first set as my goal. So, I was asking the group if those seemed reasonable for what the doc did say:
Paraphrased, he said: "Don't eat potatoes, bread, pasta, or rice. As a guide, have bacon and eggs for breakfast and a salad with grilled chicken for lunch. Fast for dinner during the week. On the weekends, eat more as long as you account for it with exercise."
So, I took that as reduce carbs (don't eliminate them) but proteins and fat are okay. I wanted to see what was reasonable as I started this. (As an aside, why is what I proposed dangerous?)
Anyway, based on just what I could reasonably consumed, I set this to 25% carbs, 40% fat, and 35% protein. I am thinking of changing that again this month to reflect more closely what I am finding that I can do (I am over on carbs some days).
I also have changed my target calories to 1800 per day and am making sure to walk 3 miles 3-4 times a week. My starting weight was 254 and am 5' 7".
I am still not eating potatoes, bread, pasta, or rice.
Cheers,
Sean
As written, that's a VLCD as well as being very low low carb.
At 255/5'7" you're really not heavy enough to be prescribed a VLCD, and to top it off, that seems like it could easily trend to being nutrient poor as well fairly quickly. Has he diagnosed you as IR or prediabetic?
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stanmann571 wrote: »
Hey,
Thanks for the thoughts. Some additional info:
My doc didn't say 20 carbs, 25 fat, and 55 protein. He also didn't say 1600 calories a day, which was what I first set as my goal. So, I was asking the group if those seemed reasonable for what the doc did say:
Paraphrased, he said: "Don't eat potatoes, bread, pasta, or rice. As a guide, have bacon and eggs for breakfast and a salad with grilled chicken for lunch. Fast for dinner during the week. On the weekends, eat more as long as you account for it with exercise."
So, I took that as reduce carbs (don't eliminate them) but proteins and fat are okay. I wanted to see what was reasonable as I started this. (As an aside, why is what I proposed dangerous?)
Anyway, based on just what I could reasonably consumed, I set this to 25% carbs, 40% fat, and 35% protein. I am thinking of changing that again this month to reflect more closely what I am finding that I can do (I am over on carbs some days).
I also have changed my target calories to 1800 per day and am making sure to walk 3 miles 3-4 times a week. My starting weight was 254 and am 5' 7".
I am still not eating potatoes, bread, pasta, or rice.
Cheers,
Sean
As written, that's a VLCD as well as being very low low carb.
At 255/5'7" you're really not heavy enough to be prescribed a VLCD, and to top it off, that seems like it could easily trend to being nutrient poor as well fairly quickly. Has he diagnosed you as IR or prediabetic?
"Prediabetic," yes, but I'm not quite sure what that means. I figured it just meant I was obese. Is there actually a measurement that defines "prediabetic"?
Also, as mentioned, the doc didn't tell me a calorie number. I came up with 1600 initially on MFP because I wanted to lose 2lb per week. But, I changed it to 1800 quickly. I am also eating a range of foods, and do take a daily multivitamin, so expect my nutrition is no worse than before I was watching what I eat
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stanmann571 wrote: »
Hey,
Thanks for the thoughts. Some additional info:
My doc didn't say 20 carbs, 25 fat, and 55 protein. He also didn't say 1600 calories a day, which was what I first set as my goal. So, I was asking the group if those seemed reasonable for what the doc did say:
Paraphrased, he said: "Don't eat potatoes, bread, pasta, or rice. As a guide, have bacon and eggs for breakfast and a salad with grilled chicken for lunch. Fast for dinner during the week. On the weekends, eat more as long as you account for it with exercise."
So, I took that as reduce carbs (don't eliminate them) but proteins and fat are okay. I wanted to see what was reasonable as I started this. (As an aside, why is what I proposed dangerous?)
Anyway, based on just what I could reasonably consumed, I set this to 25% carbs, 40% fat, and 35% protein. I am thinking of changing that again this month to reflect more closely what I am finding that I can do (I am over on carbs some days).
I also have changed my target calories to 1800 per day and am making sure to walk 3 miles 3-4 times a week. My starting weight was 254 and am 5' 7".
I am still not eating potatoes, bread, pasta, or rice.
Cheers,
Sean
As written, that's a VLCD as well as being very low low carb.
At 255/5'7" you're really not heavy enough to be prescribed a VLCD, and to top it off, that seems like it could easily trend to being nutrient poor as well fairly quickly. Has he diagnosed you as IR or prediabetic?
"Prediabetic," yes, but I'm not quite sure what that means. I figured it just meant I was obese. Is there actually a measurement that defines "prediabetic"?
Also, as mentioned, the doc didn't tell me a calorie number. I came up with 1600 initially on MFP because I wanted to lose 2lb per week. But, I changed it to 1800 quickly. I am also eating a range of foods, and do take a daily multivitamin, so expect my nutrition is no worse than before I was watching what I eat
Yes, there is, and obesity is just one piece of that. It also means that losing weight for you is a bit more urgent than for someone who hasn't been identified as prediabetic, but happens to be obese.0 -
Hey,
Thanks for the thoughts. Some additional info:
My doc didn't say 20 carbs, 25 fat, and 55 protein. He also didn't say 1600 calories a day, which was what I first set as my goal. So, I was asking the group if those seemed reasonable for what the doc did say:
Paraphrased, he said: "Don't eat potatoes, bread, pasta, or rice. As a guide, have bacon and eggs for breakfast and a salad with grilled chicken for lunch. Fast for dinner during the week. On the weekends, eat more as long as you account for it with exercise."
So, I took that as reduce carbs (don't eliminate them) but proteins and fat are okay. I wanted to see what was reasonable as I started this. (As an aside, why is what I proposed dangerous?)
Anyway, based on just what I could reasonably consumed, I set this to 25% carbs, 40% fat, and 35% protein. I am thinking of changing that again this month to reflect more closely what I am finding that I can do (I am over on carbs some days).
I also have changed my target calories to 1800 per day and am making sure to walk 3 miles 3-4 times a week. My starting weight was 254 and am 5' 7".
I am still not eating potatoes, bread, pasta, or rice.
Cheers,
Seanstanmann571 wrote: »
Hey,
Thanks for the thoughts. Some additional info:
My doc didn't say 20 carbs, 25 fat, and 55 protein. He also didn't say 1600 calories a day, which was what I first set as my goal. So, I was asking the group if those seemed reasonable for what the doc did say:
Paraphrased, he said: "Don't eat potatoes, bread, pasta, or rice. As a guide, have bacon and eggs for breakfast and a salad with grilled chicken for lunch. Fast for dinner during the week. On the weekends, eat more as long as you account for it with exercise."
So, I took that as reduce carbs (don't eliminate them) but proteins and fat are okay. I wanted to see what was reasonable as I started this. (As an aside, why is what I proposed dangerous?)
Anyway, based on just what I could reasonably consumed, I set this to 25% carbs, 40% fat, and 35% protein. I am thinking of changing that again this month to reflect more closely what I am finding that I can do (I am over on carbs some days).
I also have changed my target calories to 1800 per day and am making sure to walk 3 miles 3-4 times a week. My starting weight was 254 and am 5' 7".
I am still not eating potatoes, bread, pasta, or rice.
Cheers,
Sean
As written, that's a VLCD as well as being very low low carb.
At 255/5'7" you're really not heavy enough to be prescribed a VLCD, and to top it off, that seems like it could easily trend to being nutrient poor as well fairly quickly. Has he diagnosed you as IR or prediabetic?
"Prediabetic," yes, but I'm not quite sure what that means. I figured it just meant I was obese. Is there actually a measurement that defines "prediabetic"?
Also, as mentioned, the doc didn't tell me a calorie number. I came up with 1600 initially on MFP because I wanted to lose 2lb per week. But, I changed it to 1800 quickly. I am also eating a range of foods, and do take a daily multivitamin, so expect my nutrition is no worse than before I was watching what I eat
I think you should ask your doctor for a referral to a dietitian (not a nutritionist.)0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »
I think you should ask your doctor for a referral to a dietitian (not a nutritionist.)
Hey, I could, yes; that might not be such a bad idea.
Am willing to see how I do on my own, though, as well. I work a couple of jobs and have 3 kids in college, sooooo ... adding another appointment to my schedule is not so easy (quite bonkers, actually).
I did ask Google, who knows everything, about prediabetes, and Google claims fasting blood sugar (did not eat for 8 hours) 100-125 is prediabetic.
I did not know that.
I do work in the medical field and occasionally test my own blood sugar (not for medical reasons), and I'm usually 80-120 not fasting.
So, understanding portable glucometers are less accurate than a lab, I'd have to say I am surprised I was found to be prediabetic.
Good to know though.
Cheers,
Sean
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stanmann571 wrote: »
Hey,
Thanks for the thoughts. Some additional info:
My doc didn't say 20 carbs, 25 fat, and 55 protein. He also didn't say 1600 calories a day, which was what I first set as my goal. So, I was asking the group if those seemed reasonable for what the doc did say:
Paraphrased, he said: "Don't eat potatoes, bread, pasta, or rice. As a guide, have bacon and eggs for breakfast and a salad with grilled chicken for lunch. Fast for dinner during the week. On the weekends, eat more as long as you account for it with exercise."
So, I took that as reduce carbs (don't eliminate them) but proteins and fat are okay. I wanted to see what was reasonable as I started this. (As an aside, why is what I proposed dangerous?)
Anyway, based on just what I could reasonably consumed, I set this to 25% carbs, 40% fat, and 35% protein. I am thinking of changing that again this month to reflect more closely what I am finding that I can do (I am over on carbs some days).
I also have changed my target calories to 1800 per day and am making sure to walk 3 miles 3-4 times a week. My starting weight was 254 and am 5' 7".
I am still not eating potatoes, bread, pasta, or rice.
Cheers,
Sean
As written, that's a VLCD as well as being very low low carb.
At 255/5'7" you're really not heavy enough to be prescribed a VLCD, and to top it off, that seems like it could easily trend to being nutrient poor as well fairly quickly. Has he diagnosed you as IR or prediabetic?
"Prediabetic," yes, but I'm not quite sure what that means. I figured it just meant I was obese. Is there actually a measurement that defines "prediabetic"?
Also, as mentioned, the doc didn't tell me a calorie number. I came up with 1600 initially on MFP because I wanted to lose 2lb per week. But, I changed it to 1800 quickly. I am also eating a range of foods, and do take a daily multivitamin, so expect my nutrition is no worse than before I was watching what I eat
Prediabetic means your fasting blood glucose or insulin is high. It is not high enough to be called a T2D and be medicated yet, but it is above normal. In Canada, I think it is a FBG of around 5.5-6.0 or something along those lines.
You can be prediabetics without being obese, but excess weight is often associated with it. Weight loss usually helps reduce blood glucose, as does a low carb diet and exercise. Higher carbs, sedentary lifestyle, and extra weight tend to lead to T2D.
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I see no reason to drastically reduce carbs unless they are a trigger food for you or not filling enough. I find a mix of protein, carbs, and fat to be filling. I have done lower carb diets before and the initial weight is water. I dont care about losing water weight. I want to lose fat. Plus, I love fruit too much to limit it very much.2
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after the first week or 2 of doing low carb diet 20-50 grams you will loose water weight after the first week then your body will start burning fat for fuel after the low carb adaption phase and me I stay under 50 grams of carbs like I eat 30-41 grams of carbs per day and if you want the full metabolic benefits of low carb diet it's best to only eat 1 serving of fruit per day if the fruit is like apples or if it's like berries I guess you could still eat 2 servings and stay under 50 grams of carbs per day3
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and 20-50 grams of carbs is best for if you have the metabolic syndrome and dieabeties obesity and want to get a lean with a low body fat percentage until then3
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