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Justify CICO w/ thermodynamics of food!

pinggolfer96
pinggolfer96 Posts: 2,248 Member
edited November 27 in Debate Club
I’m not arguing cico for weight loss or gain. I’m probably one of the biggest iifym’ers there is. But you can’t argue a calorie is a calorie once it enters the body if it takes a helllll of a lot more calories for the body to digest protein than fat. ESP at basically half the caloric content. Say someone was in a coma at their bmr, would they gain more weight eating 2000 cals of fat or 2000 cals of protein? Aside from hitting minimum macronutrient goals. Just stick to the question/ thought....👇🏻👇🏻

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  • h1udd
    h1udd Posts: 623 Member
    If it actually has a notable effect to the CO part of the equation ... in the fact that CO increases as the body is using more energy in digestion of protein.

    The I propose a no chew dust where you just swallow giant junks of meat without chewing and loose weight quicker as the body increases CO as it works harder to break down the dense lump
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    "A helllll" of a lot more calories comes up to 7 calories per 1000 calories eaten per 10% of your diet being protein instead of carbs or fat. So in your example (where both would die of malnutrition which is common with dumb extremes like that), it would be 7 * 2 * 10 = 140 more. Wow.

    Source: https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/79/5/899S/4690223

    ^This...
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    This is a perfect example of "technically true but not practically relevant", aka majoring in minors.

    ^And this...
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    The equation of calories in vs calories out hold true. However certain things like excessive sugary snacks even while in a calorie deficit will contribute to fat gain long term.

    No.
  • Cherimoose
    Cherimoose Posts: 5,208 Member
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    About the only time that TEF can become considerable is when you replace carbohydrates or fat with protein. For every 100 calories of carbs/fat replaced with protein, you’d expect to burn about 25 calories more (30 cal for protein vs. 3-6 for carbs/fat).

    So replacing only 100 calories of carbs or fat with protein each day burns 9,125 calories extra per year, which is 2.5 lbs. of body fat. That cancels out the 1-2 lbs the average adult gains per year. Seems significant to me. :+1:
  • WinoGelato
    WinoGelato Posts: 13,454 Member
    The equation of calories in vs calories out hold true. However certain things like excessive sugary snacks even while in a calorie deficit will contribute to fat gain long term.

    How exactly do you think this happens, that the body would store fat in a calorie deficit?
  • Cherimoose
    Cherimoose Posts: 5,208 Member
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    A 25-30 calorie difference per day is also less than the inherent errors in calorie logging, less than you'd get by taking a few hundred more steps over the course of a day. You could burn that many calories by parking a little further out in the lot at the grocery store and walking down two extra aisles you didn't need to, lol.

    For those with physical limitations (including the OP's example) the 80 extra calories burned from increasing protein from 60 to 120 grams/day would burn over 8 lbs per year, so it's a useful addition to calorie reduction.
  • mburgess458
    mburgess458 Posts: 480 Member
    Cherimoose wrote: »
    Cherimoose wrote: »
    For those with physical limitations (including the OP's example) the 80 extra calories burned from increasing protein from 60 to 120 grams/day would burn over 8 lbs per year, so it's a useful addition to calorie reduction.

    That is in the hopes that the 80 extra calories are not unknowingly negated in some other way.

    Of course - same with all weight loss behaviors. The point was that 8 pounds per year isn't "majoring in minors" as stated earlier. That's enough to prevent most obesity all by itself.

    To me 80 calories a day is pretty minor, especially for such a huge lifestyle change. It’s easy to have more than that big of a difference in guesstimates of calories if you ever eat something prepared by someone else. Also easy to have that big of a difference in estimated calories burned exercising.
  • Ed_Zilla
    Ed_Zilla Posts: 207 Member
    Turn on your TV and watch NAKED AND AFRAID or ALONE. These are supposed to be survival shows but they are closer to food deprivation endurance events (i.e. slow starvation).

    FACT CHECK: The premise of these shows are actually as follows:

    very few or no calories in = weight loss to massive weight loss - depending on how long they last.

    They lose weight whether they eat worms, snakes, fish, grasshoppers, plants, etc. Thermodynamics has nothing to do with it.

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