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Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »From the CDC: "Eat breakfast every day. Eating breakfast is a common trait among people who have lost weight and kept it off. Eating a healthful breakfast may help you avoid getting "over-hungry" and then overeating later in the day."
https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/losing_weight/keepingitoff.html
I think the National Weight Control Registry is a great thing, but it's still just correlation. Everyone I know in real life who has lost weight and kept it off has just a cup of coffee for breakfast. I think because there has been so much press for so many years about eating breakfast being good for you, it's possible that all that quote means is that people who are paying attention to their health are eating breakfast, whether it actually helps them or not, because TPTB told them to, along with an on-point reason that sounds better than "because it's the prevailing wisdom".
Breakfast helps some people control hunger throughout the day, for others it causes hunger throughout the day.
Any facts and data other than personal observations regarding your point about just a cup of coffee for breakfast to lose/keep weight off?
I didn't say that was what caused their weight loss. Just presenting a little context for my doubt that eating breakfast universally helps people lose weight.
What data does the CDC provide to show that eating breakfast causes weight loss, other than statistical correlation?
If you read the study you will find eating breakfast is one of the factors that successful weight loss maintainers have in common. It did not say eating breakfast causes weight loss.5 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »From the CDC: "Eat breakfast every day. Eating breakfast is a common trait among people who have lost weight and kept it off. Eating a healthful breakfast may help you avoid getting "over-hungry" and then overeating later in the day."
https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/losing_weight/keepingitoff.html
I think the National Weight Control Registry is a great thing, but it's still just correlation. Everyone I know in real life who has lost weight and kept it off has just a cup of coffee for breakfast. I think because there has been so much press for so many years about eating breakfast being good for you, it's possible that all that quote means is that people who are paying attention to their health are eating breakfast, whether it actually helps them or not, because TPTB told them to, along with an on-point reason that sounds better than "because it's the prevailing wisdom".
Breakfast helps some people control hunger throughout the day, for others it causes hunger throughout the day.
Any facts and data other than personal observations regarding your point about just a cup of coffee for breakfast to lose/keep weight off?
I didn't say that was what caused their weight loss. Just presenting a little context for my doubt that eating breakfast universally helps people lose weight.
What data does the CDC provide to show that eating breakfast causes weight loss, other than statistical correlation?
If you read the study you will find eating breakfast is one of the factors that successful weight loss maintainers have in common. It did not say eating breakfast causes weight loss.
The quote literally starts with "Eat breakfast!".5 -
Since this is the debate section, I'll throw in my hat for the defense of breakfast.
78% of successful losers (that is, they took it off and kept it off) eat breakfast.
http://www.nwcr.ws/Research/default.htm
OOPS. Someone beat me to it.
Besides, breakfast is a great way to start the day. Absolutely necessary for diabetics.
Now, how many people in general eat breakfast? Is that more or less than the successful losers? Because if 99% of everyone eats breakfast but "only" 78% of people who lost weight, it means it`s negatively correlated.6 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »From the CDC: "Eat breakfast every day. Eating breakfast is a common trait among people who have lost weight and kept it off. Eating a healthful breakfast may help you avoid getting "over-hungry" and then overeating later in the day."
https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/losing_weight/keepingitoff.html
I think the National Weight Control Registry is a great thing, but it's still just correlation. Everyone I know in real life who has lost weight and kept it off has just a cup of coffee for breakfast. I think because there has been so much press for so many years about eating breakfast being good for you, it's possible that all that quote means is that people who are paying attention to their health are eating breakfast, whether it actually helps them or not, because TPTB told them to, along with an on-point reason that sounds better than "because it's the prevailing wisdom".
Breakfast helps some people control hunger throughout the day, for others it causes hunger throughout the day.
Any facts and data other than personal observations regarding your point about just a cup of coffee for breakfast to lose/keep weight off?
I didn't say that was what caused their weight loss. Just presenting a little context for my doubt that eating breakfast universally helps people lose weight.
What data does the CDC provide to show that eating breakfast causes weight loss, other than statistical correlation?
If you read the study you will find eating breakfast is one of the factors that successful weight loss maintainers have in common. It did not say eating breakfast causes weight loss.
Yes, that was my point. So if you didn't post it as proof of advice to eat breakfast, what were you trying to say? I guess I misunderstand. It told people to eat breakfast, because most people they are tracking who lose weight eat breakfast. All I was saying is that I think that is misleading, since all they are providing is statistical correlation with a guessed reason for that correlation.
Just because a majority of successful people do something, it doesn't mean that the something contributed to their success. It could be inconsequential, or in fact some people may succeed despite choices that make it more difficult.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »From the CDC: "Eat breakfast every day. Eating breakfast is a common trait among people who have lost weight and kept it off. Eating a healthful breakfast may help you avoid getting "over-hungry" and then overeating later in the day."
https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/losing_weight/keepingitoff.html
I think the National Weight Control Registry is a great thing, but it's still just correlation. Everyone I know in real life who has lost weight and kept it off has just a cup of coffee for breakfast. I think because there has been so much press for so many years about eating breakfast being good for you, it's possible that all that quote means is that people who are paying attention to their health are eating breakfast, whether it actually helps them or not, because TPTB told them to, along with an on-point reason that sounds better than "because it's the prevailing wisdom".
Breakfast helps some people control hunger throughout the day, for others it causes hunger throughout the day.
Any facts and data other than personal observations regarding your point about just a cup of coffee for breakfast to lose/keep weight off?
I didn't say that was what caused their weight loss. Just presenting a little context for my doubt that eating breakfast universally helps people lose weight.
What data does the CDC provide to show that eating breakfast causes weight loss, other than statistical correlation?
If you read the study you will find eating breakfast is one of the factors that successful weight loss maintainers have in common. It did not say eating breakfast causes weight loss.
Yes, that was my point. So if you didn't post it as proof of advice to eat breakfast, what were you trying to say? I guess I misunderstand. It told people to eat breakfast, because most people they are tracking who lose weight eat breakfast. All I was saying is that I think that is misleading, since all they are providing is statistical correlation with a guessed reason for that correlation.
Just because a majority of successful people do something, it doesn't mean that the something contributed to their success. It could be inconsequential, or in fact some people may succeed despite choices that make it more difficult.
I don't have stats to back it up, but I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of people eat breakfast (in the traditional sense) of some sort, at some time in the morning. If for no other reason than for all the dreck insisting that "breakfast is the most important meal of the day!", and/or that it "kickstarts your metabolism!".
So given that supposition, it would not surprise me one bit to discover that the majority of successful maintainers eat breakfast. I mean, it's kind of like saying the majority of billionaires get out of bed before 10:00 AM, so getting up before 10:00 AM is a trait of being successful. Regardless of the fact that probably 95% of society gets out of bed before 10:00 AM.12 -
Have not had breakfast save for the odd brunch out since I was 16yo; I'm 373
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quiksylver296 wrote: »I think it's a good idea to eat something. Even if its a breakfast smoothie you can drink in the car on the go. It's my understanding some people who skip breakfast tend to over eat other times of the day. I also think it's completely up to how a persons body burns calories. If you find yourself trying to loose weight with no success, start eating a small breakfast to see if the weight starts coming off.
Everyone is different. If I eat breakfast, it "starts" my hunger for the day and I end up eating more calories overall.
This is my experience as well. I accredit my not eating until lunch time as what helped me lose (by helping me stick to my calorie goal) and keep it off.3 -
You’ve probably heard that “breakfast is the most important meal of the day.”
What you may not know is the origin of this ode to breakfast: a 1944 marketing campaign launched by Grape Nuts manufacturer General Foods to sell more cereal.
During the campaign, which marketers named “Eat a Good Breakfast—Do a Better Job”, grocery stores handed out pamphlets that promoted the importance of breakfast while radio advertisements announced that “Nutrition experts say breakfast is the most important meal of the day.”
Ads like these were key to the rise of cereal, a product invented by men like John Harvey Kellogg, a deeply religious doctor who believed that cereal would both improve Americans’ health and keep them from masturbating and desiring sex. (Only half of his message made it into the ads.)
Before cereal, in the mid 1800s, the American breakfast was not all that different from other meals. Middle- and upper-class Americans ate eggs, pastries, and pancakes, but also oysters, boiled chickens, and beef steaks.
The rise of cereal established breakfast as a meal with distinct foods and created the model of processed, ready-to-eat breakfast that still largely reigns. And it all depends on advertising and convincing you that breakfast is the most important meal of the day.
The Beguiling History of Breakfast
The modern era of breakfast begins with cereal. Before its invention, breakfast was not as standard or routine.
"The Romans believed it was healthier to eat only one meal a day," food historian Caroline Yeldham has said. Many Native Americans, Abigail Carroll writes in The Invention of the American Meal, ate bits of food throughout the day (rather than at set meals) and sometimes fasted for days at a time.
Of medieval Europe, historians alternatingly write that breakfast was only a luxury for the rich, only a necessity for laborers, or mostly skipped. And while many American colonists ate breakfast, they were reputedly harried affairs that took place after hours of morning work.
Historians tend to agree that breakfast became a daily, first thing in the morning institution once workers moved to cities and became employees who worked set schedules. In Europe, this first began in the 1600s, and breakfast achieved near ubiquity during the Industrial Revolution. With people going off to a full day’s work, breakfast became a thing.
Read the full article here: https://priceonomics.com/how-breakfast-became-a-thing/5 -
I generally have just a cup of coffee first thing, and it works for me. I find I'm actually hungrier by lunchtime if I've eaten breakfast than if I wait.2
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I've never been a fan of eating before lunch - however, recently I've noticed that when i have a small cup of oatmeal in the morning (about 200 calories), I survive until lunch much easier, and I get full faster. When I skipped breakfast, I'd be starving around 11am, and then craved snacks all up until dinner, when I'd once again be starving. So for me personally*, i think it has helped satiate my cravings. I'm able to have a lunch under 500 calories, and a few fruits between lunch and dinner.
It all depends on how your body responds. I've gained a lot of weight in the last 2 years because of my afternoon snacking (i never ate breakfast), and I dont feel the craving as much now that I've started eating oatmeal.0 -
Since this is the debate section, I'll throw in my hat for the defense of breakfast.
78% of successful losers (that is, they took it off and kept it off) eat breakfast.
http://www.nwcr.ws/Research/default.htm
OOPS. Someone beat me to it.
Besides, breakfast is a great way to start the day. Absolutely necessary for diabetics.
78 percent is not 100 percent. 22 is a decent number suggesting that it is more than doable. That could even be the percentage of people, like myself, that will eat more due to increased hunger if a morning meal is consumed making it a terrible way to start the day.
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Like the others said, there is little to no evidence that meal timing and frequencies have any impact on weight management. It is all about how many calories you eat and how many you expend. I personally am a big breakfast eater. I’ll sometimes take in half my daily calories and then not eat until supper time.
But that is me; it works for me, helps me avoid cravings and suits my lifestyle. IMHO a big issue in this area is someone finds what works for them and then tries to tell everyone that it is the absolute best for absolutely everyone; to which I say absolute BS.
Everyone has different needs, wants and lifestyles so it logically follows that everyone needs to find what works best for them and stick to it, whatever it is.
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Packerjohn wrote: »From the CDC: "Eat breakfast every day. Eating breakfast is a common trait among people who have lost weight and kept it off. Eating a healthful breakfast may help you avoid getting "over-hungry" and then overeating later in the day."
https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/losing_weight/keepingitoff.html
Here is the abstract of that article. You have to click on research findings then look for the link.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11836452?dopt=Abstract
Long-term weight loss and breakfast in subjects in the National Weight Control Registry.
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
To examine breakfast consumption in subjects maintaining a weight loss in the National Weight Control Registry (NWCR).
RESEARCH METHODS AND PROCEDURES:
A cross-sectional study in which 2959 subjects in the NWCR completed demographic and weight history questionnaires as well as questions about their current breakfast consumption. All subjects had maintained a weight loss of at least 13.6 kg (30 lb) for at least 1 year; on average these subjects had lost 32 kg and kept it off for 6 years.
RESULTS:
A large proportion of NWCR subjects (2313 or 78%) reported regularly eating breakfast every day of the week. Only 114 subjects (4%) reported never eating breakfast. There was no difference in reported energy intake between breakfast eaters and non-eaters, but breakfast eaters reported slightly more physical activity than non-breakfast eaters (p = 0.05).
DISCUSSION:
Eating breakfast is a characteristic common to successful weight loss maintainers and may be a factor in their success.
My comments:
The number of participants was good, almost 3,000 but these were self-selected they were picked from people that voluntarily identified themselves in the NWCR. We can assume that anyone participating in this registry is already motivated to lose weight and be concerned with their diet.
There is no indication that there was any correspondence between amount of weight lost and breakfast eating, It deals with people who had lost 30 lbs or more and kept it off for over a year. Nothing to indicate any correlation between the breakfast eating behaviours while they were losing weight.
The study was also a recall study, people were not observed at their behaviors but were asked what they did. A common hazard in these studies is participants will tell the researcher what they think the researcher will approve of. Since these are diet aware people and the researchers are also knowledgeable in the diet area, it could also be used as proof that 78% of people who self-identified as interested in participating in a study and lost weight have fallen into the myth that eating breakfast is important.
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In the summer when I often sleep in until 9ish (I'm a SAHM and my kids sleep in until around 10 most mornings in the summer) I usually skip breakfast and just eat an early lunch around 11. Then I eat some fruit or veggies for a snack mid-afternoon. On days like today where I was up before 7 am I do eat breakfast because I feel like it's too long to wait for lunch. Either way I'm still losing weight doing it both ways.0
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I’ve never been much of a breakfast eater. I prefer an iced coffee when I wake up, and then lunch around 11.0
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I’m gonna say - If you’re not hungry, don’t eat. Like other(s) have said - breakfast is your first meal whether it’s at 6am or noon.0
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The whole 'breakfast is the most important meal of the day' thing was created and pushed by advertisers in the 40s anyhow, and the whole idea of three square meals a day is entirely a social invention to begin with.
If you're not hungry, don't eat. Look at it as being able to eat a more filling and satisfying meal later when your body is desiring food.
e: beaten by ContraryMary. That's what I get for skimming the second page.1
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