Insight on Fat Loss Training Programs
Packerjohn
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Insightful thought from a trainer I follow on social media:
"If you are on your 10th fat loss training program or have never graduated from the fat loss training program I doubt the fat loss training program is the issue. Act like an adult and be accountable for the other 23 hours a day. Eat and sleep like an adult and understand the reality of your lifestyle and how your body responds to everything you do to it."
"If you are on your 10th fat loss training program or have never graduated from the fat loss training program I doubt the fat loss training program is the issue. Act like an adult and be accountable for the other 23 hours a day. Eat and sleep like an adult and understand the reality of your lifestyle and how your body responds to everything you do to it."
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Packerjohn wrote: »Insightful thought from a trainer I follow on social media:
"If you are on your 10th fat loss training program or have never graduated from the fat loss training program I doubt the fat loss training program is the issue. Act like an adult and be accountable for the other 23 hours a day. Eat and sleep like an adult and understand the reality of your lifestyle and how your body responds to everything you do to it."
Wow, how can anyone woo this?
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Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Insightful thought from a trainer I follow on social media:
"If you are on your 10th fat loss training program or have never graduated from the fat loss training program I doubt the fat loss training program is the issue. Act like an adult and be accountable for the other 23 hours a day. Eat and sleep like an adult and understand the reality of your lifestyle and how your body responds to everything you do to it."
Wow, how can anyone woo this?
Well, I didn’t because I get what they’re getting at, but the idea that you can do some “fat loss training program” for an hour a day and then “act like an adult” for the rest of the day is bad logic. Any program for fat loss that doesn’t *start with* and *center around* eating is a bad one. Adding in an hour of exercise a day is great for a lot of reasons, but the other 23 hours isn’t some kind of afterthought. The other 23 hours is the important part.8 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Insightful thought from a trainer I follow on social media:
"If you are on your 10th fat loss training program or have never graduated from the fat loss training program I doubt the fat loss training program is the issue. Act like an adult and be accountable for the other 23 hours a day. Eat and sleep like an adult and understand the reality of your lifestyle and how your body responds to everything you do to it."
Wow, how can anyone woo this?
Well, I didn’t because I get what they’re getting at, but the idea that you can do some “fat loss training program” for an hour a day and then “act like an adult” for the rest of the day is bad logic. Any program for fat loss that doesn’t *start with* and *center around* eating is a bad one. Adding in an hour of exercise a day is great for a lot of reasons, but the other 23 hours isn’t some kind of afterthought. The other 23 hours is the important part.
I think that's the point, no?7 -
Redordeadhead wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Insightful thought from a trainer I follow on social media:
"If you are on your 10th fat loss training program or have never graduated from the fat loss training program I doubt the fat loss training program is the issue. Act like an adult and be accountable for the other 23 hours a day. Eat and sleep like an adult and understand the reality of your lifestyle and how your body responds to everything you do to it."
Wow, how can anyone woo this?
Well, I didn’t because I get what they’re getting at, but the idea that you can do some “fat loss training program” for an hour a day and then “act like an adult” for the rest of the day is bad logic. Any program for fat loss that doesn’t *start with* and *center around* eating is a bad one. Adding in an hour of exercise a day is great for a lot of reasons, but the other 23 hours isn’t some kind of afterthought. The other 23 hours is the important part.
I think that's the point, no?
That would be my understanding also. The quote says "fat loss training program" He's saying you have to take care of business the other 23 hours also.0 -
No, I think the implication is that you do the work during the 1 hour and the goal of the other 23 is to not mess it up, but it’s hard without knowing the person saying it, their overall philosophy and the larger context of the statement. If you say that they meant that the rest of the stuff is far more important, then that’s great, that’s just not how I read it.2
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Packerjohn wrote: »Redordeadhead wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Insightful thought from a trainer I follow on social media:
"If you are on your 10th fat loss training program or have never graduated from the fat loss training program I doubt the fat loss training program is the issue. Act like an adult and be accountable for the other 23 hours a day. Eat and sleep like an adult and understand the reality of your lifestyle and how your body responds to everything you do to it."
Wow, how can anyone woo this?
Well, I didn’t because I get what they’re getting at, but the idea that you can do some “fat loss training program” for an hour a day and then “act like an adult” for the rest of the day is bad logic. Any program for fat loss that doesn’t *start with* and *center around* eating is a bad one. Adding in an hour of exercise a day is great for a lot of reasons, but the other 23 hours isn’t some kind of afterthought. The other 23 hours is the important part.
I think that's the point, no?
That would be my understanding also. The quote says "fat loss training program" He's saying you have to take care of business the other 23 hours also.
But having seen/read some "fat loss training programs" most of them don't equip you for the time you're in the program much less for the other 163 hours a week.4 -
No, I think the implication is that you do the work during the 1 hour and the goal of the other 23 is to not mess it up, but it’s hard without knowing the person saying it, their overall philosophy and the larger context of the statement. If you say that they meant that the rest of the stuff is far more important, then that’s great, that’s just not how I read it.No, I think the implication is that you do the work during the 1 hour and the goal of the other 23 is to not mess it up, but it’s hard without knowing the person saying it, their overall philosophy and the larger context of the statement. If you say that they meant that the rest of the stuff is far more important, then that’s great, that’s just not how I read it.No, I think the implication is that you do the work during the 1 hour and the goal of the other 23 is to not mess it up, but it’s hard without knowing the person saying it, their overall philosophy and the larger context of the statement. If you say that they meant that the rest of the stuff is far more important, then that’s great, that’s just not how I read it.
The OP's quote literally goes on to say "Act like an adult and be accountable for the other 23 hours a day. Eat and sleep like an adult and understand the reality of your lifestyle and how your body responds to everything you do to it."
I think the very clear implication of the whole quote (not just the first sentence) is that eating matters, and that what you do all day matters, not just the 1 hour of training.14 -
I didn't woo it but what does "eating and sleeping like an adult" even mean? I mean what the person is likely getting at is "figure out how to eat and sleep in such a way that will be conducive to fat loss", but that is not the same thing as having adult eating and sleeping habits. The quote is, in my eye, pretty patronizing but not as much as the, "exercise instead of take antidepressants" sort of quotes and memes.
One of the most physically fit adults I know gets far from enough sleep in increments that aren't necessarily concussive to good physical or mental health. He's also likely only able to consume as many calories (and maintain his body weight) as I suspect he does because he a. commutes by bike and b. rides his bike pretty seriously as his main form of recreation (from what I can tell). He is, quite clearly, an adult and I know very few people who would be able to be healthy with the schedule he keeps.7 -
What is a fat loss training program? Modules, courses, to learn skills on how to lose fat? Is there an exam at the end in order to graduate? I have no idea what that means.
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What is a fat loss training program? Modules, courses, to learn skills on how to lose fat? Is there an exam at the end in order to graduate? I have no idea what that means.
I am curious about this too, you usually see "Fat Loss Training Program" when it's someone trying to sell people something, they're usually a pretty intense program that anyone new to weight loss is unlikely to keep up, so in my opinion the program is often the problem, as is the mindset that you need a fat loss training program as opposed to just eating less and moving more. That's why people do it 10 times and struggle again and again.1 -
I didn't woo it but what does "eating and sleeping like an adult" even mean? I mean what the person is likely getting at is "figure out how to eat and sleep in such a way that will be conducive to fat loss", but that is not the same thing as having adult eating and sleeping habits.
That part made me snort. As a child/teen I slept great. As an adult I currently find it more difficult to get enough sleep. It's a stupid comment, similar to how eating "like a bird" is said when describing somebody who eats very little when in fact birds eat up to half their body weight in food per day.
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A program that calls itself "Fat loss Training Program" but then goes around and says "well you need to also do the actual thing that causes fat loss" is like an online course that promises "Become a PhD!" and then tells you you have to enroll in an actual university and take it's classes.4
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This thread is teaching me a lot about reading comprehension.7
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What is a fat loss training program? Modules, courses, to learn skills on how to lose fat? Is there an exam at the end in order to graduate? I have no idea what that means.
My thought is that it's learning how to eat fewer calories than you use....the exam is possibly reaching you goals????
The quote taken as a whole makes sense though, the trainer was obviously refuting "fat loss training programs". Basically the long version of "You cannot out train a bad diet".1 -
https://doctoryessis.com/2013/01/01/do-you-need-high-repetitions-for-strength/
Dr. Yessis is a widely cited kinesiologist. Experts like Dan John, Rob Shaul (Mtn Athlete), and Mark Twight (Gym Jones) refer to him when deciding rep count for a given outcome. Fat loss is stimulated by HIGH rep count (20-100X, 30-50% of 1 rep max) resistance exercise. Strength without gain of muscle mass occurs in the 1-4 rep range (@85% 1 rep max)4
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