BEST DIET
tobybear72
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I want to lose my belly fat and I know they say the ketosis diet is good for that. I hear so much about the bad breath and ketone smell. What foods should I eat to help get rid of my belly fat and not get the smell?
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Chorophyll pills.5
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There are no foods or exercises that target belly fat. Eat in a calorie deficit and do some strength/resistance training. The fat will drop all over.15
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Eat foods you like within your calorie allowance.
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'They' say lots of things, most of them grossly overstated at best, blatantly false and possibly dangerous at worst. Choose a method of creating a calorie deficit that works for you, your life, the way you like to eat. That might be keto, but it doesn't HAVE to be. Any old calorie deficit will work.10
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Eat foods you like within your calorie allowance.
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The best diet is - no diet! What you need for sustainable weight loss is a lifestyle change. Weigh your food, count your calories and consume less than you burn. That is the only way to lose weight and keep it off. One day at a time. Start with small changes, and it will all come together. Also, your body totally decides where it wants to lose fat - there is absolutely NOTHING you can do to change that. Maybe the belly fat goes first, maybe it doesn't. No way to influence it.5
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So is eating less sugar, bread, processed food a good way to start?13
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There is no such thing as a "best diet". Everyone has an opinion when it comes to weight loss, but the only one that will work for you is the one you can sustain long term and make it a lifestyle.3
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tobybear72 wrote: »So is eating less sugar, bread, processed food a good way to start?
Only in helping you decrease your calorie intake, but it isn't necessary3 -
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There is no "BEST DIET" only the "best" diet for you. And no diet at all will target any one area of the body. The only way to lose fat is to create a calorie deficit, and the fat will come off where it will come off, unfortunately, you have no control over that.3
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tobybear72 wrote: »So is eating less sugar, bread, processed food a good way to start?
If you have a problem overeating those things and reducing them helps you create a calorie deficit.6 -
tobybear72 wrote: »So is eating less sugar, bread, processed food a good way to start?
eating less is the best way to start4 -
tobybear72 wrote: »So is eating less sugar, bread, processed food a good way to start?
How about just logging what you eat for a week without making any changes. Then, at the end of the week review your logs to see what you can cut back on? Reducing portion sizes can often be enough. Alternatively, you can look at substitutions. Go with lighter versions of things like mayo, salad dressing, etc. For example, my most recent switch was to go from using 2-3 whole eggs per day to using one mixed with egg white. Cooking more yourself can be helpful because you have more control over what goes into the food. I like altering recipes and increasing the amount of vegetables in them to give me more bulk without a significant change in calories (depending on the vegetable). Nothing wrong with bread. Sugar is fine as long as you aren't eating so much of it that it doesn't leave you room to get sufficient nutrition.6 -
tobybear72 wrote: »So is eating less sugar, bread, processed food a good way to start?
Best way to start is lowering your calories. Of course dropping carbs is easiest especially in the beginning, so you can lower it if it was really high to begin with. There's no need to eliminate it. If you're a lifter, your priority will be maintain your protein high, make sure your fats are not too low (Don't go under 15%) and most important thing of all, make sure your calories are less than what you burn (aka caloric deficit).
PS: I've been losing weight despite eating over 250g of carbs per day, goes to show that carbs don't matter for weight loss, calories do.1 -
tobybear72 wrote: »So is eating less sugar, bread, processed food a good way to start?
YES! According to science, bringing down your processed food and sugar intake will help keep you in blood sugar balance, which will aid in your efforts so you are not crashing and craving so much. While, yes, calories in vs calories out is the way it goes for weight loss, fat loss is more from carb depletion. But you still want to get fiber, protein, and fat as well. Just be mindful of what you are eating. An awesome book all about this is "Body Love" by Kelly Leveque. I am obsessed with her and her philosophy/science behind our hormones and hunger.35 -
tobybear72 wrote: »So is eating less sugar, bread, processed food a good way to start?
YES! According to science, bringing down your processed food and sugar intake will help keep you in blood sugar balance, which will aid in your efforts so you are not crashing and craving so much. While, yes, calories in vs calories out is the way it goes for weight loss, fat loss is more from carb depletion. But you still want to get fiber, protein, and fat as well. Just be mindful of what you are eating. An awesome book all about this is "Body Love" by Kelly Leveque. I am obsessed with her and her philosophy/science behind our hormones and hunger.
Fat loss is from a calorie deficit and muscle retention aids (strength/resistance training, adequate protein intake)11 -
tobybear72 wrote: »So is eating less sugar, bread, processed food a good way to start?
YES! According to science, bringing down your processed food and sugar intake will help keep you in blood sugar balance, which will aid in your efforts so you are not crashing and craving so much. While, yes, calories in vs calories out is the way it goes for weight loss, fat loss is more from carb depletion. But you still want to get fiber, protein, and fat as well. Just be mindful of what you are eating. An awesome book all about this is "Body Love" by Kelly Leveque. I am obsessed with her and her philosophy/science behind our hormones and hunger.
You know there's a reason they sell books....I'll give you a hint $$$$$$ and also what malibu927 said. Let's not forget that losing weight doesn't require you to buy anything, the information is free and it's simple too, but many choose to ignore it, because eating less calories than you burn doesn't sell.9 -
tobybear72 wrote: »So is eating less sugar, bread, processed food a good way to start?
YES! According to science, bringing down your processed food and sugar intake will help keep you in blood sugar balance, which will aid in your efforts so you are not crashing and craving so much. While, yes, calories in vs calories out is the way it goes for weight loss, fat loss is more from carb depletion. But you still want to get fiber, protein, and fat as well. Just be mindful of what you are eating. An awesome book all about this is "Body Love" by Kelly Leveque. I am obsessed with her and her philosophy/science behind our hormones and hunger.
You know there's a reason they sell books....I'll give you a hint $$$$$$ and also what malibu927 said. Let's not forget that losing weight doesn't require you to buy anything, the information is free and it's simple too, but many choose to ignore it, because eating less calories than you burn doesn't sell.
Or you could also just look up scientific research and find that it's not always as simple as "calories in vs calories out". Just because it may have worked for you, doesn't mean it will for someone else. You can also listen to free podcasts on people talking about this very research, and that's free advice. Being skeptical is one thing, if you don't research the science.
There's a reason why people can go on MFP and lose weight but usually gain it all back. It's because our bodies don't necessarily just work on calories, and who wants to log and measure everything for the rest of their lives? Metabolism is way more complicated than what people like to think it is. And eating 100 calorie pack of sugar is going to have people crashing and burning and wanting more sugar later; than eating a balanced meal of protein, fat, fiber, and greens which will keep us calm, full & satisfied so we aren't constantly in a state of being "hangry" and dieting.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/debunking-the-calorie-myth#section440 -
tobybear72 wrote: »So is eating less sugar, bread, processed food a good way to start?
YES! According to science, bringing down your processed food and sugar intake will help keep you in blood sugar balance, which will aid in your efforts so you are not crashing and craving so much. While, yes, calories in vs calories out is the way it goes for weight loss, fat loss is more from carb depletion. But you still want to get fiber, protein, and fat as well. Just be mindful of what you are eating. An awesome book all about this is "Body Love" by Kelly Leveque. I am obsessed with her and her philosophy/science behind our hormones and hunger.
You know there's a reason they sell books....I'll give you a hint $$$$$$ and also what malibu927 said. Let's not forget that losing weight doesn't require you to buy anything, the information is free and it's simple too, but many choose to ignore it, because eating less calories than you burn doesn't sell.
Or you could also just look up scientific research and find that it's not always as simple as "calories in vs calories out". Just because it may have worked for you, doesn't mean it will for someone else. You can also listen to free podcasts on people talking about this very research, and that's free advice. Being skeptical is one thing, if you don't research the science.
There's a reason why people can go on MFP and lose weight but usually gain it all back. It's because our bodies don't necessarily just work on calories, and who wants to log and measure everything for the rest of their lives? Metabolism is way more complicated than what people like to think it is. And eating 100 calorie pack of sugar is going to have people crashing and burning and wanting more sugar later; than eating a balanced meal of protein, fat, fiber, and greens which will keep us calm, full & satisfied so we aren't constantly in a state of being "hangry" and dieting.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/debunking-the-calorie-myth#section4
articles aren't "research". Most of this article is referring to things like TEF...for someone eating a reasonable good and balanced diet, this is majoring in the minors. These things don't negate CICO (energy equation)...they just change it to some degree...and in most cases, that degree is very minor outside of medical conditions.
I don't care what diet people do...most people gain it back. But here I am in maintenance for over 5 years and eat a wide variety of foods don't calorie count, etc.
And who the *kitten* is eating 100 calorie packs of sugar...strawman *kitten* right there.14 -
The article is actually backed by research, hence the "evidence based fact checked". I just would rather have a website sum up the research done on PubMed for me, so I don't have to read through tons of scientific studies.
Good on you that it worked for you, but there is proof that 80% of us fail after weight loss. And I am part of that statistic. I logged my calories, and lost weight; but gained it back because I did metabolic damage and ended-up weighing even more than I have ever have in my entire life way afterwards. So I got tired of the endless battle, and finally learned about the science behind losing weight. And I now finally found freedom from constantly feeling confused and frustrated and hungry, and learned what my body needs to feel great. And it was to cut out carbs, so I could be a fat burner rather than a sugar burner. When we eat more carbs (net of fiber) it converts to sugar, and it goes into the blood stream and then the blood stream, when your pancreas senses that there's very high blood sugar levels, then it will secrete something called insulin, and that insulin will make that sugar, that glucose go back into certain cells, especially liver cells, muscle cells and other cells so that they can use that as energy. But that excess energy that you have, if it's not used then it has to be stored somehow. The way it's stored is basically in the fat cells or adipocytes, but also sometimes it's stored in other places where it shouldn't be. So now I eat foods that help me feel calm and satisfied, and I finally have been dropping fat and weight and others have noticed! And I'm happy and don't go crazy with food choices and weighing and logging, because I know what my body needs. And I'm finally doing it the right and healthy way. Really, the only reason why I use mfp anymore is to keep a log to know how i feel or a reference for me for later. Do I eat something and get hangry 2-3 hours later? What was it that made me feel that way? What foods did I eat at breakfast or lunch that made me feel calm and satisfied later? More of a food journal.
So maybe logging calories helped you, but it may not help everybody. So excuse me for trying to give the OP some advice that helped me. There is science behind what I learned, and if you took the time to read up on it, you may understand it better. Didn't realize that I would be attacked just for sharing what helped me. So you do you, and I'll do me; and you all can have a great day.27 -
The article is actually backed by research, hence the "evidence based fact checked". I just would rather have a website sum up the research done on PubMed for me, so I don't have to read through tons of scientific studies.
Good on you that it worked for you, but there is proof that 80% of us fail after weight loss. And I am part of that statistic. I logged my calories, and lost weight; but gained it back because I did metabolic damage and ended-up weighing even more than I have ever have in my entire life way afterwards. So I got tired of the endless battle, and finally learned about the science behind losing weight. And I now finally found freedom from constantly feeling confused and frustrated and hungry, and learned what my body needs to feel great. And it was to cut out carbs, so I could be a fat burner rather than a sugar burner. When we eat more carbs (net of fiber) it converts to sugar, and it goes into the blood stream and then the blood stream, when your pancreas senses that there's very high blood sugar levels, then it will secrete something called insulin, and that insulin will make that sugar, that glucose go back into certain cells, especially liver cells, muscle cells and other cells so that they can use that as energy. But that excess energy that you have, if it's not used then it has to be stored somehow. The way it's stored is basically in the fat cells or adipocytes, but also sometimes it's stored in other places where it shouldn't be. So now I eat foods that help me feel calm and satisfied, and I finally have been dropping fat and weight and others have noticed! And I'm happy and don't go crazy with food choices and weighing and logging, because I know what my body needs. And I'm finally doing it the right and healthy way. Really, the only reason why I use mfp anymore is to keep a log to know how i feel or a reference for me for later. Do I eat something and get hangry 2-3 hours later? What was it that made me feel that way? What foods did I eat at breakfast or lunch that made me feel calm and satisfied later? More of a food journal.
So maybe logging calories helped you, but it may not help everybody. So excuse me for trying to give the OP some advice that helped me. There is science behind what I learned, and if you took the time to read up on it, you may understand it better. Didn't realize that I would be attacked just for sharing what helped me. So you do you, and I'll do me; and you all can have a great day.
If you're in a calorie deficit, you don't store fat...you don't have "excess" energy in a calorie deficit.
You should also do a bit of research on Blue Zones...very high carbohydrate diets and they're some of the healthiest people on the planet. Also, why isn't every vegan on the planet morbidly obese...they also typically eat high carbohydrate diets.
Nobody is attacking you...you're just mixing in a lot of woo with your science. Nobody is saying to just eat a bunch of crap...but you can eat carbs and be healthy and maintain a healthy weight. People have been doing it for tens of thousands of years. You're also confusing CICO with calorie counting...CICO is the energy equation...any diet that results in weight loss is CICO...CICO isn't calorie counting...I don't know why so many people can't get that...I don't log or count anything.15 -
tobybear72 wrote: »So is eating less sugar, bread, processed food a good way to start?
If you don't find those foods filling, sure, eating less of them so you can create a calorie deficit while eating foods you do find filling is a great place to start.1 -
Because CICO means "calories in vs calories out". How to be successful at mastering this? and how do you know how many calories you get in? Counting and logging.
So how you do you break free of constantly logging and counting? Realizing that a calorie of real whole foods found in nature are going to offer more nutritional value to the body than processed/sugar foods. I'd rather stick to my fat, fiber, protein, greens fab4 lifestyle and feel calm and satisfied for 4-6 hours at a time, than keep getting hangry crashing burning and feeling guilty and not getting anywhere.
I wasn't demonizing carbs, we do need fiber, which doesn't get converted to sugar in our body. So eating quinoa, veggies, fruits, sweet potatoes, etc are great sources of energy; but those of us looking to lower weight/body fat need to watch that we aren't over-doing the net carbs so the excess doesn't just float in our bodies that we aren't using up for energy.
At the end of day, every diet is the same: Mediterranean, Atkins, Whole30, Paleo, etc. all preach the same thing, eat whole nutritious pack foods and cut out the processed and sugar foods (even the vegans and blue zone diet people you talk about). So what have I learned from reading the book and looking up articles and listening to podcasts by scientists? Get a well balanced diet full of fat, fiber, protein, and greens; and learn what's going to nourish my body and keep me full and satisfied for hours. Do I still have sugar? Of course, just not all the time now, since I know what it does to my body, so in 2 hours when I'm craving more carbs, I know why. But I also know how to get myself back on track again too now. It's not woo, its actual science.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »tobybear72 wrote: »So is eating less sugar, bread, processed food a good way to start?
YES! According to science, bringing down your processed food and sugar intake will help keep you in blood sugar balance, which will aid in your efforts so you are not crashing and craving so much. While, yes, calories in vs calories out is the way it goes for weight loss, fat loss is more from carb depletion. But you still want to get fiber, protein, and fat as well. Just be mindful of what you are eating. An awesome book all about this is "Body Love" by Kelly Leveque. I am obsessed with her and her philosophy/science behind our hormones and hunger.
You know there's a reason they sell books....I'll give you a hint $$$$$$ and also what malibu927 said. Let's not forget that losing weight doesn't require you to buy anything, the information is free and it's simple too, but many choose to ignore it, because eating less calories than you burn doesn't sell.
Or you could also just look up scientific research and find that it's not always as simple as "calories in vs calories out". Just because it may have worked for you, doesn't mean it will for someone else. You can also listen to free podcasts on people talking about this very research, and that's free advice. Being skeptical is one thing, if you don't research the science.
There's a reason why people can go on MFP and lose weight but usually gain it all back. It's because our bodies don't necessarily just work on calories, and who wants to log and measure everything for the rest of their lives? Metabolism is way more complicated than what people like to think it is. And eating 100 calorie pack of sugar is going to have people crashing and burning and wanting more sugar later; than eating a balanced meal of protein, fat, fiber, and greens which will keep us calm, full & satisfied so we aren't constantly in a state of being "hangry" and dieting.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/debunking-the-calorie-myth#section4
articles aren't "research". Most of this article is referring to things like TEF...for someone eating a reasonable good and balanced diet, this is majoring in the minors. These things don't negate CICO (energy equation)...they just change it to some degree...and in most cases, that degree is very minor outside of medical conditions.
I don't care what diet people do...most people gain it back. But here I am in maintenance for over 5 years and eat a wide variety of foods don't calorie count, etc.
And who the *kitten* is eating 100 calorie packs of sugar...strawman *kitten* right there.
Couldn't have said it better myself. But I am pretty sure she will fight tooth and nail to prove that Kelly Leveque is right and we're all wrong. That's what happens when a snake oil salesman (or woman in this case) manages to manipulate your thinking.7 -
Whether your counting or not, CICO still applies to all of us whether we know it or not. If you eat more than you burn without counting, guess what??? You're still going to gain weight. If you eat less than you burn without counting....guess what??? The body will lose weight. We all have a specific number of calories we burn, we just don't know exactly what it is, we can only estimate it at best, but there is one.Because CICO means "calories in vs calories out". How to be successful at mastering this? and how do you know how many calories you get in? Counting and logging.
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I created my own Positive Food Management Plan. I do everything on my own terms. Eat food I like with movement I enjoy by simply taking it back outside.4
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cwolfman13 wrote: »tobybear72 wrote: »So is eating less sugar, bread, processed food a good way to start?
YES! According to science, bringing down your processed food and sugar intake will help keep you in blood sugar balance, which will aid in your efforts so you are not crashing and craving so much. While, yes, calories in vs calories out is the way it goes for weight loss, fat loss is more from carb depletion. But you still want to get fiber, protein, and fat as well. Just be mindful of what you are eating. An awesome book all about this is "Body Love" by Kelly Leveque. I am obsessed with her and her philosophy/science behind our hormones and hunger.
You know there's a reason they sell books....I'll give you a hint $$$$$$ and also what malibu927 said. Let's not forget that losing weight doesn't require you to buy anything, the information is free and it's simple too, but many choose to ignore it, because eating less calories than you burn doesn't sell.
Or you could also just look up scientific research and find that it's not always as simple as "calories in vs calories out". Just because it may have worked for you, doesn't mean it will for someone else. You can also listen to free podcasts on people talking about this very research, and that's free advice. Being skeptical is one thing, if you don't research the science.
There's a reason why people can go on MFP and lose weight but usually gain it all back. It's because our bodies don't necessarily just work on calories, and who wants to log and measure everything for the rest of their lives? Metabolism is way more complicated than what people like to think it is. And eating 100 calorie pack of sugar is going to have people crashing and burning and wanting more sugar later; than eating a balanced meal of protein, fat, fiber, and greens which will keep us calm, full & satisfied so we aren't constantly in a state of being "hangry" and dieting.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/debunking-the-calorie-myth#section4
articles aren't "research". Most of this article is referring to things like TEF...for someone eating a reasonable good and balanced diet, this is majoring in the minors. These things don't negate CICO (energy equation)...they just change it to some degree...and in most cases, that degree is very minor outside of medical conditions.
I don't care what diet people do...most people gain it back. But here I am in maintenance for over 5 years and eat a wide variety of foods don't calorie count, etc.
And who the *kitten* is eating 100 calorie packs of sugar...strawman *kitten* right there.
Couldn't have said it better myself. But I am pretty sure she will fight tooth and nail to prove that Kelly Leveque is right and we're all wrong. That's what happens when a snake oil salesman (or woman in this case) manages to manipulate your thinking.
Attacking much? Geesh! All I said was that this book was life-changing for me, because it gave me actual science behind hunger, hormones, blood sugar, and how to live a healthy lifestyle for life. And I have found other scientists and doctors who have studied the exact same things and preach the same things she did in the book.
I'd rather eat a 1500 calorie day of getting protein, fat, fiber, and greens at 3 different times of the day; then getting Kind bar and latte at 8am in the morning and then going crazy from hunger by 11pm and ordering take out of a carb loaded lunch, that has me overdoing it and crashing by 3pm and needing a nap.... I feel a lot better when I get my eggs and avocado and greens at breakfast, my salad greens with a fat dressing and chicken and walnuts at lunch, and dinner of salmon and roasted brussel sprouts at dinner; followed by a square of dark chocolate or even a glass of red wine if I want. And that's clocking me in at about 1500 calories for my 5'0" frame and I'm feeling totally calm and satisfied. I then take my bath maybe with that glass of wine to help me unwind, and in bed for a full 8 hours. Getting up well rested and ready for my 30 minute fasted workout to burn off any excess glucose in my system, and doing the damn thing all over again the next day.
So basically what I'm doing, is no different than the CICO method. I just don't need to log at all; and I know the science behind what I'm eating isn't going to make me go crazy. I broke free of the food drama, and it was because a book just pointed in the right direction. Could I have gotten there from reading free articles from other doctors? Probably. Just her tone made it fun to read and I finally was able to understand what was being said.
So excuse me for trying to help someone else out who was in the same place as me at one point. Glad that what's working for you is working; but don't need to put down what I did either.16 -
Because CICO means "calories in vs calories out". How to be successful at mastering this? and how do you know how many calories you get in? Counting and logging.
So how you do you break free of constantly logging and counting? Realizing that a calorie of real whole foods found in nature are going to offer more nutritional value to the body than processed/sugar foods. I'd rather stick to my fat, fiber, protein, greens fab4 lifestyle and feel calm and satisfied for 4-6 hours at a time, than keep getting hangry crashing burning and feeling guilty and not getting anywhere.
I wasn't demonizing carbs, we do need fiber, which doesn't get converted to sugar in our body. So eating quinoa, veggies, fruits, sweet potatoes, etc are great sources of energy; but those of us looking to lower weight/body fat need to watch that we aren't over-doing the net carbs so the excess doesn't just float in our bodies that we aren't using up for energy.
At the end of day, every diet is the same: Mediterranean, Atkins, Whole30, Paleo, etc. all preach the same thing, eat whole nutritious pack foods and cut out the processed and sugar foods (even the vegans and blue zone diet people you talk about). So what have I learned from reading the book and looking up articles and listening to podcasts by scientists? Get a well balanced diet full of fat, fiber, protein, and greens; and learn what's going to nourish my body and keep me full and satisfied for hours. Do I still have sugar? Of course, just not all the time now, since I know what it does to my body, so in 2 hours when I'm craving more carbs, I know why. But I also know how to get myself back on track again too now. It's not woo, its actual science.
Where has anybody said not to eat a well balanced, nutritionally dense diet? You can do that and still include some indulgences. I swear, the straw-man arguments get old...if someone has some indulgences here and there, there diet must consist of nothing but that. The vast majority of people, including myself that you are talking to have very nutrient rich diets...I also like having pizza on Friday night with my kids...that sure as *kitten* doesn't negate all of my other nutrition throughout the week. Nobody is eating 100 grams of sugar packets or subsiding on nothing but junk food...just stop already with your nonsense.
CICO is the energy equation....once again, it's not calorie counting. As I've mentioned a couple of different times now, I don't count calories or keep a diary...but CICO is still in play...it always is. I can maintain weight and cut weight easily without calorie counting.8 -
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