MFP vs Weight Watchers
Jadu786
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I recently switched from MFP to weight watchers and I weighed in today and gained 1.5 lbs. Is there any one else who has tried both programs and would suggest one over the other?
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I've tried both and prefer MFP. WW was a fine option for me in the 90s before sites like MFP were available. Lots of people these days have issues with the "free" foods. WW may not count them, but your body does.
However, that 1.5 pounds could be water weight from a variety of things - ovulation, being premenstrual, a new exercise program, having eaten a high sodium meal, etc.6 -
That's another worry I had, the free foods, some of them are not very low in calories - I don't understand how they can't count at all. I think the program is good, but not sure if it works for people who have less to lose0
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I lost weight on the points plus program. In the beginning, it was easy because I was heavier and was therefore granted more points. When I had lost a good amount, I was only given the minimum number of points and it was much harder. At some point, I had also realized that points plus was essentially just calorie counting. The only instance where I found that 40 calories didn't equal 1 point was for alcohol. I started tracking my calories as well as points and realized that many days I was actually only netting 800-1,000 calories when I factored in exercise. No wonder I was starving all of the time!
The new program doesn't appeal to me at all. I get that they are trying to gear you towards eating healthier foods, but as someone who had struggled with feeling like it's "all or nothing" in the past, I really don't like how they've deemed certain foods "good" or "bad." For example, there is no reason that eating a candy bar that easily fits into my daily calories should ruin my whole day. Yet WW has decided that since it's a "bad" food, it's going to count as half of my points. I like that mfp allows me to have treats and don't feel that I could do something as restrictive as WW at this time. At some point I also heard they were discouraging people from eating their fit points, so someone who exercises could be severely under eating. That was awhile ago, so maybe they've since corrected that part.
Long story short, I feel like I have a lot more control with mfp than with WW points system, and mfp feels more precise to me, rather than eating "free" foods that definitely still have calories and hoping I'm not overeating, or starving because I chose to have a low calorie treat that used up half of my daily points.
I could see the in person weigh ins being motivational for people. I did the online program, so that part didn't apply. Personally, I've learned over the years that I do best of my own anyway. I tend to buckle under pressure from others.
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If you like the support at meetings give it some time. Zero point foods are for eating until satisfied which is sometimes a tough signal to gauge.1
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Five days ago I switched from WW to MFP to see if I can lose while counting calories. As of this morning I am down 1.2 pounds. I am eating more and a larger variety of foods than I was on WW. I don’t like most of the foods on the zero point list. I did lose 40 pounds on WW and am grateful for that. On WW I was only eating about 900-1000 calories and would be over points. I also exercise so the calorie deficit was even greater. There is no clear cut advice on fitpoints. Now I am eating minimum 1500 calories and eating exercise calories on top of that on the days I workout. WW says you can eat what you want but that isn’t necessarily true. It used to be that way. Now a small indulgence could be half of my entire day’s worth of points. I am going to do MFP for a month and see how it goes.5
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I also just came over from WW. I’ve lost a good amount of weight on WW over the years with the different programs including the most recent but I’m marathon training right now and just not sure that WW is the best for that. I kinda feel “punished” for having too many carbs and this runner needs carbs right now.3
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WW gives nothing but points. I was blown away by how few calories I was eating. People who eat a lot of zero point foods are blown away by how many calories they are eating. Some think zero point means free.2
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I think that the benefit of WW is the support you get from attending meetings and reinforcing that you are not alone. My sister is doing it and that's what she gets out of it. I stopped doing it, because the group I was in had a lot of ladies that just talked about what (fattening) food they would eat when they got to their goal weight..I think both programs help you focus on what you are eating and encourages healthy eating. I decided to try MFP, because I also need to watch my carbs and I like having to keep a food diary, at this point, to keep me honest. I think it really depends on needing in person support, or just online support. I don't have a WW program here where I am living, so MFP is working the best for me now.2
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DeadliftsAndSprinkles wrote: »I haven't tried WW but I do have a question for you if you don't mind my asking - does WW only do "points" or do they also show you the calorie amount of things? Because I've wondered if when someone moves to MFP from the WW points system, are they blown away by the calorie amount of things/what they've been eating?
They show you the points on the top of the screen in a big number, and show the nutritional info on the bottom (although vitamins and minerals are not shown). The points are roughly 35 calories and then they are adjusted up or down for fat, protein, and sugar. It makes things like fast food, soda, ice cream cake, etc. very "expensive" points wise (therefore taking up more of your daily budget than a raw calorie count) while in general making healthier and high protein foods "cheaper" points wise than a raw calorie count would suggest.
On the new Freestyle system, they reduced the number of of points people got and added in more "zero point foods". Zero point foods used to be more or less primarily non-starchy vegetables, now they include lean chicken, turkey, eggs (with yolk), nonfat yogurt, and pretty much all fruits and vegetables (except for a few exceptions like avocados). These are (probably not coincidentally) the top recommended foods from the NIH website.
The problem with the current plan is some people over eat the zero point foods, don't lose weight because they have consumed too many calories, then avoid them and end up eating too little. It works very well, however, for people who start with very unhealthy eating habits like frequent fast food eaters or people who tend to binge on junk food.1 -
alabamaheather wrote: »Five days ago I switched from WW to MFP to see if I can lose while counting calories. As of this morning I am down 1.2 pounds. I am eating more and a larger variety of foods than I was on WW. I don’t like most of the foods on the zero point list. I did lose 40 pounds on WW and am grateful for that. On WW I was only eating about 900-1000 calories and would be over points. I also exercise so the calorie deficit was even greater. There is no clear cut advice on fitpoints. Now I am eating minimum 1500 calories and eating exercise calories on top of that on the days I workout. WW says you can eat what you want but that isn’t necessarily true. It used to be that way. Now a small indulgence could be half of my entire day’s worth of points. I am going to do MFP for a month and see how it goes.
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DeadliftsAndSprinkles wrote: »I haven't tried WW but I do have a question for you if you don't mind my asking - does WW only do "points" or do they also show you the calorie amount of things? Because I've wondered if when someone moves to MFP from the WW points system, are they blown away by the calorie amount of things/what they've been eating?
They show you the points on the top of the screen in a big number, and show the nutritional info on the bottom (although vitamins and minerals are not shown). The points are roughly 35 calories and then they are adjusted up or down for fat, protein, and sugar. It makes things like fast food, soda, ice cream cake, etc. very "expensive" points wise (therefore taking up more of your daily budget than a raw calorie count) while in general making healthier and high protein foods "cheaper" points wise than a raw calorie count would suggest.
On the new Freestyle system, they reduced the number of of points people got and added in more "zero point foods". Zero point foods used to be more or less primarily non-starchy vegetables, now they include lean chicken, turkey, eggs (with yolk), nonfat yogurt, and pretty much all fruits and vegetables (except for a few exceptions like avocados). These are (probably not coincidentally) the top recommended foods from the NIH website.
The problem with the current plan is some people over eat the zero point foods, don't lose weight because they have consumed too many calories, then avoid them and end up eating too little. It works very well, however, for people who start with very unhealthy eating habits like frequent fast food eaters or people who tend to binge on junk food.
I definitely agree with this. I think this program would work great for anyone who has super unhealthy habits or who doesn't know much about healthy eating. I've decided to stick to my fitness pal until October and see how it goes.2 -
WW did nothing for me. I lost 30 pounds with MFP.0
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My sister-in-law has been doing Weight Watchers for 15 years, and I've watched her weight go up and down 30 pounds at a time throughout that time period. She swears it works, then falls silent when she packs on the pounds again. I will say that she was successful (again) two years ago, and gained back a lot when they made a bunch of foods zero points. Zero points does not equal zero calories, so that makes sense to me. I've reached my goal weight with MFP, so I'll stick with it!0
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Thanks everyone! I have decided to stick with my fitness pal0
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I did weight watchers when they had pro points, around 2011. I did quite well on that programme, but in hindsight I think I would have lost even more weight had I just counted calories like MFP, because it is more accurate. Now that WW have introduced even more free foods, I think my weight loss journey would be even slower on that programme and harder to maintain. I think it's not a bad diet, especially if you have quite a bit of weight to lose and have developed bad eating habits that you want to break out of. But if you have a special diet or condition like me (I have type 2 diabetes and avoid all sugar) it won't work so well, for example, fruit most definitely isn't free as it contains sugar, which I need to watch. I don't think eggs should be free, you need to watch how many you eat because of cholesterol. It's early days yet but after two weeks on MFP I managed to lose 3.1 kg. I am eating above the minimum and doing what I feel is a normal amount of exercise considering I'm training up for a 10k run series which begins in spring. In a way, the two are not so different, I believe that back in the day, WW used to be based on counting calories but it has evolved over the years to a points system. Now that I've done both, I must say I find the points system artificial and think it's better to take into consideration calories, plus carb, protein, fat, sugar etc content of foods. I did enjoy the group WW meetings though and there was a lot of support.0
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The only thing I like about WW is not having to count fruit and veg - I find it a bit tedious measuring it all. When I did WW years ago I lost weight consistently- however on the new plan I was hungry - found it faffy with the free/not free foods and never lost much weight. At least with MFP you know where you stand.1
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I have been relentlessly bashing WW's new program for ages (well, okay, for 175 days) on this board. I was a WW person from 2005 until February of this year. I got to goal on the original points system, back in 05, and I really really loved the earlier programs, which were much closer to raw calorie counting. The more they tweaked the points system the less effective it got for me, and when I went back to WW this past February I took one look at Freestyle and knew that it wasn't going to work -- much too restrictive and not informative enough. So I decided to use MFP and try just counting calories. It's working beautifully (I'm down 50 pounds at this point) and we'll see how it works once I'm at at healthy BMI and am trying to maintain -- I suspect it might actually be effective. More information is better. More flexibility is better. I'm a convert.2
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