Keto failure
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Spliner1969 wrote: »Yes it was spray oil. I didnt cook it, it was at someone's home so I couldn't add extra fat or oil.
Food for thought: Spray oil usually shows 0 calories on the can. Unfortunately the FDA allows manufacturers to list anything under 5 calories as 0. So it could be 4 calories per serving and still be listed as 0. Next, look at the serving size on spray oils... usually it's something like 1/10th of a second spray. Who does that? Nobody. I don't know about you but even if I have a good nonstick pan I want a little carmelization on sauteed veggies, so I will spray likely 2-3 seconds on the veggies with the spray oil. So that would be 4 x 10 = 40 per second of spray, x 2 for 2 seconds of spray.. now you're hitting up to 80 calories coming from a can that lists as 0 calories.
Any time I use spray oil and I am worried about being accurate I'll log at least a tsp of oil. As I said.. food for thought. I actually rarely use the spray oil because of this, I'd rather just add a tbsp of EVOO with my veggies and sautee them. Then I log 1 tbsp of EVOO (120 cals) and I know I'm much more accurate, tastes better as well.
Spray oils are 9 calories a gram. A good way to be accurate when using them is to weigh the can before spraying, spray, then weigh the can after.3 -
From what I understand you want to cook with saturated fats like bacon grease, coconut oil or butter. A little less option is olive oil because under high heat it can start to burn. OP do you feel like you are in ketosis? I don't count or test but I am less hungry and have zero cravings. I think it is common knowledge that men seem to lose faster than women. My wife and I started this at the same time and that is holding true. Her weight has moved a few pounds but she noticed that she had to move in a notch on her bra, the last place she wanted to lose. I on the other hand am down 13 pounds and she can look at my beer gut and see the difference. We both are approaching three weeks so stay with it. Something else to try is intermittent fasting. Eliminate breakfast to reduce calories and at lunch and dinner eat until full. Good luck and stay the course.10
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From what I understand you want to cook with saturated fats like bacon grease, coconut oil or butter. A little less option is olive oil because under high heat it can start to burn. OP do you feel like you are in ketosis? I don't count or test but I am less hungry and have zero cravings. I think it is common knowledge that men seem to lose faster than women. My wife and I started this at the same time and that is holding true. Her weight has moved a few pounds but she noticed that she had to move in a notch on her bra, the last place she wanted to lose. I on the other hand am down 13 pounds and she can look at my beer gut and see the difference. We both are approaching three weeks so stay with it. Something else to try is intermittent fasting. Eliminate breakfast to reduce calories and at lunch and dinner eat until full. Good luck and stay the course.
Bacon grease for me smokes before EVOO but they aren't far apart. Canola oil has a higher smoke point but for taste I like EVOO. If a specific diet style works for you i'd say give it a try, and you don't know if it works until you try it. Having said that, the only way any of the fad diets like Keto or IF work is with a caloric deficit. Keto also has its fair share of risks associated with it depending on a person's individual health situation. I'd consider consulting a doctor before starting Keto, and at the very least getting an annual checkup with blood work to rule out anything that might cause problems while on a high fat diet like Keto.
The first thing people lose when going on a Keto diet is water weight, the second as they adjust to eating a lot of fat and protein with almost no carbs is a little actual fat because they feel full longer and actually eat at a calorie deficit. After they adjust it isn't always something that keeps working because some think that they can eat all they want as long as they stay under their carb limit (mistake). Once the initial weight loss stops (you should actually already be counting calories), even on a diet like Keto, you have to buckle down, count calories accurately (IE: weigh your food/liquids/condiments/everything) and stay at your selected calorie deficit. Then the realization sinks in that fat, which is now a larger percentage of your diet, is 9 calories per gram instead of 4 calories per gram of protein and carbs. All of a sudden you realize you're hungry all the time and crave carbs and protein. At that point, I see no reason to stay on a high fat diet like that unless you have some health reason to stay on it. The long term risks of eating abnormal amounts of fat outweigh any subtle uptick in fat loss you might gain over a simple calorie deficit. I don't think I would ever stay on a Keto/low carb diet long term, possibly only to power through a plateau, lose that last 5-10lbs or that last 2% of body fat. And even then it'll probably be my last ditch effort. I like fatty foods like anyone else, but would be hungry all the time when I ran out of calories. As far as IF goes, I think all it really does is promote binging. Starving yourself for 2/3rds of the day so you can eat an abnormal amount of food in one sitting doesn't really seem like a good idea to me. I tried it, never could get over forcing myself to overeat in a small window of time. It may work better for someone who doesn't exercise at all and has fewer calories to work with, but I burn so much each week I was having to eat 2000-2500 calories in a 8 hour window. It was tough, and I gave up. Didn't work in the slightest for me for additional weight loss.
As far as men losing faster, I'll have to throw my hat into the doubt bin on that one as well.
Bottom line is that if it works for you, then that's great! I think if someone wants to try a specific type of diet they should do just that as long as they do their research and don't go into it with unreal expectations based on the latest fad woo going around.
Just my .02 (opinion only, no real science involved above), anyone should feel free to debunk it.
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Spliner1969 wrote: »From what I understand you want to cook with saturated fats like bacon grease, coconut oil or butter. A little less option is olive oil because under high heat it can start to burn. OP do you feel like you are in ketosis? I don't count or test but I am less hungry and have zero cravings. I think it is common knowledge that men seem to lose faster than women. My wife and I started this at the same time and that is holding true. Her weight has moved a few pounds but she noticed that she had to move in a notch on her bra, the last place she wanted to lose. I on the other hand am down 13 pounds and she can look at my beer gut and see the difference. We both are approaching three weeks so stay with it. Something else to try is intermittent fasting. Eliminate breakfast to reduce calories and at lunch and dinner eat until full. Good luck and stay the course.
Bacon grease for me smokes before EVOO but they aren't far apart. Canola oil has a higher smoke point but for taste I like EVOO. If a specific diet style works for you i'd say give it a try, and you don't know if it works until you try it. Having said that, the only way any of the fad diets like Keto or IF work is with a caloric deficit. Keto also has its fair share of risks associated with it depending on a person's individual health situation. I'd consider consulting a doctor before starting Keto, and at the very least getting an annual checkup with blood work to rule out anything that might cause problems while on a high fat diet like Keto.
The first thing people lose when going on a Keto diet is water weight, the second as they adjust to eating a lot of fat and protein with almost no carbs is a little actual fat because they feel full longer and actually eat at a calorie deficit. After they adjust it isn't always something that keeps working because some think that they can eat all they want as long as they stay under their carb limit (mistake). Once the initial weight loss stops (you should actually already be counting calories), even on a diet like Keto, you have to buckle down, count calories accurately (IE: weigh your food/liquids/condiments/everything) and stay at your selected calorie deficit. Then the realization sinks in that fat, which is now a larger percentage of your diet, is 9 calories per gram instead of 4 calories per gram of protein and carbs. All of a sudden you realize you're hungry all the time and crave carbs and protein. At that point, I see no reason to stay on a high fat diet like that unless you have some health reason to stay on it. The long term risks of eating abnormal amounts of fat outweigh any subtle uptick in fat loss you might gain over a simple calorie deficit. I don't think I would ever stay on a Keto/low carb diet long term, possibly only to power through a plateau, lose that last 5-10lbs or that last 2% of body fat. And even then it'll probably be my last ditch effort. I like fatty foods like anyone else, but would be hungry all the time when I ran out of calories. As far as IF goes, I think all it really does is promote binging. Starving yourself for 2/3rds of the day so you can eat an abnormal amount of food in one sitting doesn't really seem like a good idea to me. I tried it, never could get over forcing myself to overeat in a small window of time. It may work better for someone who doesn't exercise at all and has fewer calories to work with, but I burn so much each week I was having to eat 2000-2500 calories in a 8 hour window. It was tough, and I gave up. Didn't work in the slightest for me for additional weight loss.
As far as men losing faster, I'll have to throw my hat into the doubt bin on that one as well.
Bottom line is that if it works for you, then that's great! I think if someone wants to try a specific type of diet they should do just that as long as they do their research and don't go into it with unreal expectations based on the latest fad woo going around.
Just my .02 (opinion only, no real science involved above), anyone should feel free to debunk it.
I wasn't crazy about the taste of the coconut oil on my veggies and had to supplement with olive oil, blood orange is my favorite right now. As it stands right now I plan on staying Keto for the foreseeable future not just for weight loss but to maintain and feel it is healthier for me. Not counting calories now but if the scale moves in the wrong direction modifications will be needed. My first fast was skipping breakfast Saturday and running fasted. I came home and had a nice brunch complete with a Bloody Mary. When I was eating carbs a fast was not possible for me but Saturday I just didn't feel hungry so I tried it...and survived. Not having success with Keyto yourself I think you are missing a key point. It is not about starving or craving. It is eating until full (satisfied) and stopping. It is normal to not feel hungry and skip a meal. Many choose to eliminate one meal a day but nowhere do I find that there is a need to overeat the other two meals. I am curious how long you tried it? I was having some doubts as my running has really sucked since I started. No energy, no endurance and my legs felt they were blubber without muscle. My run yesterday felt better so I hope that means I am fat adapted and can start getting energy from fat. I am still early in this lifestyle change and clearly still learning it but so far I am happy with it.5 -
Oh and going to a doctor for me is just not going to happen. Not out of fear but I only go to the doctor if I am sick to the point that I need intervention and that is very rare. I am the first line of defense in guarding my health. It was doctors and experts that advised me to lower fats and increase carbs. I no longer felt that is good advise for me. Time will tell.4
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I'm going to stay out of this but just want to point out that plenty of people who frequent these boards who eat carbs IF (skip breakfast). I'm one of them.
I have a very small eating window and don't shy away from carbs at all. You're not starving yourself doing this. It's just a natural eating pattern for some of us, and for other people it's not. It's not a big deal.3 -
I was a eating a huge breakfast of two eggs two toast with butter & jam and two strips of bacon guy. By 9:00 am I was shaking and needed a snack. I could not fathom missing a meal on purpose and didn't ever miss one. My wife rarely had breakfast and didn't care. Regardless of diet or plan I am sure anyone can get trained or accustomed to what ever eating schedule is their current norm. Even though I am Keto I am still not really fasting yet because it still feel foreign to me. Maybe I will and maybe I won't time will tell.1
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A lot of us people who come by it naturally found that skipping breakfast made us feel less hungry throughout the day. I just have tea throughout the day until around 3:00 or 4:00 and I'm fine. When I ate breakfast, if I didn't eat something every 3 hours or so, I was a crazy person. It was really weird. I've heard other people share similar stories.
I think this is similar to how some people thrive on low carb diets and some people thrive on more mixed macros. It's just down to individual differences.2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »A lot of us people who come by it naturally found that skipping breakfast made us feel less hungry throughout the day. I just have tea throughout the day until around 3:00 or 4:00 and I'm fine. When I ate breakfast, if I didn't eat something every 3 hours or so, I was a crazy person. It was really weird. I've heard other people share similar stories.
I think this is similar to how some people thrive on low carb diets and some people thrive on more mixed macros. It's just down to individual differences.
So if you are only eating during g a very small window do you watch calories? Do you eat whatever you want? Have you lost weight this way? Curious. I have a lot of weight to lose and am wanting to try different techniques to help me reach that point.0 -
From what I understand you want to cook with saturated fats like bacon grease, coconut oil or butter. A little less option is olive oil because under high heat it can start to burn. OP do you feel like you are in ketosis? I don't count or test but I am less hungry and have zero cravings. I think it is common knowledge that men seem to lose faster than women. My wife and I started this at the same time and that is holding true. Her weight has moved a few pounds but she noticed that she had to move in a notch on her bra, the last place she wanted to lose. I on the other hand am down 13 pounds and she can look at my beer gut and see the difference. We both are approaching three weeks so stay with it. Something else to try is intermittent fasting. Eliminate breakfast to reduce calories and at lunch and dinner eat until full. Good luck and stay the course.
My first couple weeks went well. I know everyone says water weight but I was already down and dieting so I'm not sure i buy that. Now i have not changed much and the lose is down to nothing. I do feel I am in ketosis and have been enjoying this way of eating, now craving, ect. But my main focus for it was weight loss.0 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »A lot of us people who come by it naturally found that skipping breakfast made us feel less hungry throughout the day. I just have tea throughout the day until around 3:00 or 4:00 and I'm fine. When I ate breakfast, if I didn't eat something every 3 hours or so, I was a crazy person. It was really weird. I've heard other people share similar stories.
I think this is similar to how some people thrive on low carb diets and some people thrive on more mixed macros. It's just down to individual differences.
So if you are only eating during g a very small window do you watch calories? Do you eat whatever you want? Have you lost weight this way? Curious. I have a lot of weight to lose and am wanting to try different techniques to help me reach that point.
You have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight, no matter how often, what time of the day, or in between what hours you eat your calories. Timing is irrelevant. If you eat too many calories, you gain weight - it doesn’t matter if they’re eaten In one meal a day or ten meals a day.4 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »A lot of us people who come by it naturally found that skipping breakfast made us feel less hungry throughout the day. I just have tea throughout the day until around 3:00 or 4:00 and I'm fine. When I ate breakfast, if I didn't eat something every 3 hours or so, I was a crazy person. It was really weird. I've heard other people share similar stories.
I think this is similar to how some people thrive on low carb diets and some people thrive on more mixed macros. It's just down to individual differences.
So if you are only eating during g a very small window do you watch calories? Do you eat whatever you want? Have you lost weight this way? Curious. I have a lot of weight to lose and am wanting to try different techniques to help me reach that point.
You have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight, no matter how often, what time of the day, or in between what hours you eat your calories. Timing is irrelevant. If you eat too many calories, you gain weight - it doesn’t matter if they’re eaten In one meal a day or ten meals a day.
Agreed you must have deficit to lose weight. I am doing keto and losing weight so therefore I must be in deficit. I am also doing his without counting which is something that I had started gaining without doing previously (insert surplus here). Unless keto has some miracle fat burning component that reverses the world as we know it and still works with a surplus of calories. I think it is more plausible that my appetite is less than what it was and I am not storing carbs as excess fat. I do feel that a fast could burn some added fat but if the result is eating double the calories later I don't see much benefit. Just an opinion.0 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »A lot of us people who come by it naturally found that skipping breakfast made us feel less hungry throughout the day. I just have tea throughout the day until around 3:00 or 4:00 and I'm fine. When I ate breakfast, if I didn't eat something every 3 hours or so, I was a crazy person. It was really weird. I've heard other people share similar stories.
I think this is similar to how some people thrive on low carb diets and some people thrive on more mixed macros. It's just down to individual differences.
So if you are only eating during g a very small window do you watch calories? Do you eat whatever you want? Have you lost weight this way? Curious. I have a lot of weight to lose and am wanting to try different techniques to help me reach that point.
You have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight, no matter how often, what time of the day, or in between what hours you eat your calories. Timing is irrelevant. If you eat too many calories, you gain weight - it doesn’t matter if they’re eaten In one meal a day or ten meals a day.
Agreed you must have deficit to lose weight. I am doing keto and losing weight so therefore I must be in deficit. I am also doing his without counting which is something that I had started gaining without doing previously (insert surplus here). Unless keto has some miracle fat burning component that reverses the world as we know it and still works with a surplus of calories. I think it is more plausible that my appetite is less than what it was and I am not storing carbs as excess fat. I do feel that a fast could burn some added fat but if the result is eating double the calories later I don't see much benefit. Just an opinion.
"Storing carbs as excess fat" is a keto myth that needs to die in a fire. Firstly, there is no net fat storage while in a caloric deficit. Secondly, de novo lipogenesis (the creation of fat from carbohydrate) rarely happens in the human body - only in the case of huge, drastic carb overfeeds when your glycogen levels are all completely topped off.
Know what's much more readily converted to fat in the body? Fat. And even so, there is no net fat storage while in a caloric deficit.
And yes, if you're losing weight, you're in a caloric deficit. The macro composition of your diet and/or what time you eat the calories (or in what 'eating window') are irrelevant to weight loss. Calorie counting, per se, is not required to lose weight - but being in a calorie deficit is.13 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »A lot of us people who come by it naturally found that skipping breakfast made us feel less hungry throughout the day. I just have tea throughout the day until around 3:00 or 4:00 and I'm fine. When I ate breakfast, if I didn't eat something every 3 hours or so, I was a crazy person. It was really weird. I've heard other people share similar stories.
I think this is similar to how some people thrive on low carb diets and some people thrive on more mixed macros. It's just down to individual differences.
So if you are only eating during g a very small window do you watch calories? Do you eat whatever you want? Have you lost weight this way? Curious. I have a lot of weight to lose and am wanting to try different techniques to help me reach that point.
Yes, I count calories. My appetite doesn't naturally regulate my caloric intake. I've skipped breakfast for years and was my highest weight as a breakfast skipper and at my lowest weight as a breakfast skipper.
Meal timing is irrelevant. It does help me stick to my calorie goals, though. When I was obese and skipped breakfast, I pretty much just ate too much food and snacked too much. Now I eat two meals, with my food weighed and measured and my calories counted, and I'm done.
I've lost 90 pounds and kept it off.4 -
Not having success with Keyto yourself I think you are missing a key point. It is not about starving or craving. It is eating until full (satisfied) and stopping. It is normal to not feel hungry and skip a meal. Many choose to eliminate one meal a day but nowhere do I find that there is a need to overeat the other two meals. I am curious how long you tried it? I was having some doubts as my running has really sucked since I started. No energy, no endurance and my legs felt they were blubber without muscle. My run yesterday felt better so I hope that means I am fat adapted and can start getting energy from fat. I am still early in this lifestyle change and clearly still learning it but so far I am happy with it.
I'm assuming you meant IF, not Keto. My problem with Keto probably stemmed around the fact that I was in maintenance (I have been in maintenance more or less for about 2+ years give or take). Since I exercise a lot and did not want to lose a lot of weight, I needed to eat enough calories to maintain and fuel my exercise. At the time I tried IF I was working out 5 days a week for about two hours on those days. I'd get up early do circuit training/crossfit for 45 minutes, then go for a run for about 30 minutes, then come back and finish with more circuit training or weight lifting. Overall it was boosting my need for calories up to 600-700 more per day unless I wanted to burn muscle and lose weight. However, I had hoped that IF would help me burn off some fat (since that's sorta the purpose) during recomp.
I am aware that losing fat means losing weight but I was looking for more of a trade off between muscle and fat. I knew it would take a long time anyway (recomp is a slow slow process) but gave IF a try for about three months. I experienced no weight gain or loss (didn't really expect any) but the other thing that I experienced was no fat loss and my acid reflux (which had been gone for almost two years) returned, indigestion returned, and so did irregularity. I didn't change my macros, the only thing I changed was using the 16:8 schedule for IF. I'd fast from 8pm to noon the next day skipping breakfast and eating my first large meal at noon. I'd eat all I could stomach for lunch (around 1200-1400 calories) then at night for dinner around 7 I'd try to eat my remaining calories which were also 1400-1800. Those numbers fluctuated a bit depending on how much I burned that day but you get the idea. There just was no benefit to it for me. It may work better for others, I'm not saying it has no benefit at all, just didn't work for me. Within 30 days of going off IF and back to my normal 3-5 meals a day schedule and staying at maintenance the side effects are gone (no more acid reflux, indigestion, irregularity).
Keto, honestly I've not given a serious try. My doctor is against it, too high of fat she says would not be good for me at my age. She says my labs are good for now, and best they've been since I started my journey but she suggests I not try it. She says if I want to lose more fat, I'll simply need to cut a bit more weight. She's right, and when I want it bad enough I'll go back on a cut again. Meanwhile I'm at a slight deficit still in recomp. My only experience with Keto has been observing my sister and my brother-in-law who use it to lose weight. Same thing always seems to happen for them, they lose the first 5-10 lbs fast then it tapers off. They manage to hit their goals with it eventually but as soon as they stop, the weight comes back. I think they are in their 3rd (might be 2nd not sure) round of it. Keto works better for my brother-in-law because he is T2 diabetic. Less carbs are a requirement for him anyway.
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