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Is milk bad for you??
psuLemon
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I know this get discuessed occasionally, and thought this was worth while to post. Its a video on the impacts of milk
https://youtu.be/Rx9lZKSACFc
https://youtu.be/Rx9lZKSACFc 5
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Errrr....wish my work didn't block videos0
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I always thought if it made you feel like crap then it's probable not good for you as an individual. If you feel fine drinking it then it's not a problem for you. Me personally I somehow developed an intolerance to dairy around 20/21 after drinking it for years with no issues whatsoever. Weird.3
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MagnumOpus1 wrote: »I always thought if it made you feel like crap then it's probable not good for you as an individual. If you feel fine drinking it then it's not a problem for you. Me personally I somehow developed an intolerance to dairy around 20/21 after drinking it for years with no issues whatsoever. Weird.
My wife found she has issue with straight milk, but ice cream and cheese are fine. So she doesn't drink milk or she drinks fairlife milk which is ultra filtered (which also works).
Overall, it seems that dairy has a lot of positive results, including to help reduce the risk of several types of cancer with only a small increase or even neutral risk on prostate cancer5 -
I discovered I had a true milk allergy as an adult. My chronic stuffy noise wasn't seasonal allergies, but a reaction to casein in food and beverages. Once I quit cold turkey I could breath through my nose, my lifelong acne cleared up, and I started feeling better. I am grateful that there are so many plant-based "milk" products available now so I can occasionally have pizza with daiya cheese, almond milk "cream cheese" on my bagel, or macaroni and cheez when I crave comfort food.9
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MagnumOpus1 wrote: »I always thought if it made you feel like crap then it's probable not good for you as an individual. If you feel fine drinking it then it's not a problem for you. Me personally I somehow developed an intolerance to dairy around 20/21 after drinking it for years with no issues whatsoever. Weird.
My wife found she has issue with straight milk, but ice cream and cheese are fine. So she doesn't drink milk or she drinks fairlife milk which is ultra filtered (which also works).
Overall, it seems that dairy has a lot of positive results, including to help reduce the risk of several types of cancer with only a small increase or even neutral risk on prostate cancer
Is it a lactose issue? Hard cheeses have very little lactose in them (but ice cream does do can't explain that one).
I have secondary lactose intolerance. I can tolerate it if my GI diseases are not flaring but am intolerant when they are.0 -
I tolerate lactose fine and have good bone density so will continue using it. Dad is lactose intolerant though. Just depends what you inherited I guess.3
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singingflutelady wrote: »MagnumOpus1 wrote: »I always thought if it made you feel like crap then it's probable not good for you as an individual. If you feel fine drinking it then it's not a problem for you. Me personally I somehow developed an intolerance to dairy around 20/21 after drinking it for years with no issues whatsoever. Weird.
My wife found she has issue with straight milk, but ice cream and cheese are fine. So she doesn't drink milk or she drinks fairlife milk which is ultra filtered (which also works).
Overall, it seems that dairy has a lot of positive results, including to help reduce the risk of several types of cancer with only a small increase or even neutral risk on prostate cancer
Is it a lactose issue? Hard cheeses have very little lactose in them (but ice cream does do can't explain that one).
I have secondary lactose intolerance. I can tolerate it if my GI diseases are not flaring but am intolerant when they are.
we haven't cared that much to try and figure it out.. it's possible the amount of lactose is what effects her.0 -
No food is bad or good, but too much of anything can mess with you. You can poison yourself with water if you drink too much of it. If you don't have any intolerances, dairy produce can be a useful part of a healthy diet.3
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Millicent3015 wrote: »No food is bad or good, but too much of anything can mess with you. You can poison yourself with water if you drink too much of it. If you don't have any intolerances, dairy produce can be a useful part of a healthy diet.
The discussions against dairy are generally two fold, 1. That its "unnatural" since mainly humans are the only ones to drink milk, and 2. That it increases the risk of cancer. The evidence,at least in thia video, doesn't support either of those notions.. that is kind of the point.5 -
Saw a TV program recently about a rural community where “everyone works until they’re in their 90’s” etc (you know the sort of thing). One of the conclusions was that a high calcium diet, based on lots of yoghurt, was particularly beneficial.
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I guess it’s ok in moderation, unless your lactose intolerance or vegan I can’t see any harm in having a cup of milk a day7
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Milk is great....doesn't bother me. I do buy Fairlife which is ulra filtered(whatever that means). I just like the taste!1
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I eat a lot of dairy - butter, yoghurt, cheese primarily, and milk in my coffee and ice cream and cream occasionally (when I have the calories spare). I love it. It loves me. I would be devastated if I were lactose intolerant.4
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It's not bad for me. I have ethical qualms about the dairy industry and I'd like to be able to afford more ethically sourced dairy and would happily do so if afforded the chance to since my main source of protein is dairy (I'm an ovo-lacto vegetarian). I do use Fairlife milk and I know that's ethically sourced and I respond to that just fine.
If someone else has digestive issues with dairy, then obviously, that person needs to avoid it, but that doesn't mean that I need to.
When my daughter was little and I was breastfeeding her, she had an issue with casein, the milk protein, and I had to abstain from dairy. That was hard, especially because we did the extended breastfeeding thing. I also had to make all of her food from scratch. She had a lot of food sensitivity issues at the time, including a corn sensitivity. That one was harder than the dairy issue!4 -
For me, absolutely. I am quite lactose intolerant, 1 cup of milk will leave me in pain for a good 12 hours. For other people...meh, everything in moderation.2
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Well I think there are a large percentage of humans who have trouble digesting milk but for those that don't, I don't think it's bad. I don't like the argument that "it's unnatural" and "we're the only species who drinks milk into adulthood" and "we're the only species who drinks another animals milk" because I don't base my diet on what other animals are eating.7
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It's a ridiculous and fatally flawed argument right from the start. We're the only species who does a lot of things, many of which are "unnatural". And there are plenty of other animals who will gladly drink milk if it's offered to them....I don't like the argument that "it's unnatural" and "we're the only species who drinks milk into adulthood" and "we're the only species who drinks another animals milk" because I don't base my diet on what other animals are eating.12 -
It's a ridiculous and fatally flawed argument right from the start. We're the only species who does a lot of things, many of which are "unnatural". And there are plenty of other animals who will gladly drink milk if it's offered to them....I don't like the argument that "it's unnatural" and "we're the only species who drinks milk into adulthood" and "we're the only species who drinks another animals milk" because I don't base my diet on what other animals are eating.
I'd trip over my damn cats if I didn't give them some while trying to make myself a cup of coffee.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »
It's a ridiculous and fatally flawed argument right from the start. We're the only species who does a lot of things, many of which are "unnatural". And there are plenty of other animals who will gladly drink milk if it's offered to them....I don't like the argument that "it's unnatural" and "we're the only species who drinks milk into adulthood" and "we're the only species who drinks another animals milk" because I don't base my diet on what other animals are eating.
I'd trip over my damn cats if I didn't give them some while trying to make myself a cup of coffee.
Heh. My old cat went through 1-2 liters of the stuff per week. We ended up mixing in cream for her when it became apparent that something was wrong and she was losing weight. Turns out she was hyperthyroid and our enriched milk was keeping her alive and happy.
Younger cat prefers yogurt. Goes through about one yogurt per week. We have to limit the amounts with her since she has a kidney problem (low protein diet required). But the vet actually approved the yogurt since it means she'll eat her meds and ask for seconds. It's a liquid and it was horror trying to get her to swallow it. My arms still show the gouges. Mix in yogurt and she eats it like nothing.7 -
One of our cats loves yogurt. If you open a container of it, she'll jump right into your lap and try to help herself to it - including licking it right off your spoon if it's in her reach. She also loves cheese, especially the soft/creamy varieties, and goat milk. Our other cat has no interest in any of those things, he's an all-meat kind of guy.1
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One of our cats loves yogurt. If you open a container of it, she'll jump right into your lap and try to help herself to it - including licking it right off your spoon if it's in her reach. She also loves cheese, especially the soft/creamy varieties, and goat milk. Our other cat has no interest in any of those things, he's an all-meat kind of guy.
Ketokat. Purrfect.8 -
Many people in the world- the majority of asian people ,for example - are lactose intolerant.
For these people milk would be bad.
For the rest of us, it is perfectly fine - in moderation and not to the exclusion of other nutrients, of course - but that goes for any food.
Incidentally it is possible for people to manage milk fine for most of their life and then develop intolerance.
My father, who is nearly 80, can no longer eat cereal with milk or drink iced coffees because of late onset lactose intolerance. He can have small amounts - ie one or two white coffees a day but that's it now.0 -
No, it's not bad for you. Unless you have a medical condition.2
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If it's spoiled!!4
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Thanks for the video! I've never liked the taste of milk so I don't drink it but I have a LOT of dairy overall: heavy cream or half and half in my coffee, lots of cheese, and (carb smart) ice cream. Good to know I'm not killing myself. 2
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I don't drink milk, but I will occasionally cook with it, and I really like healthy forms of plain yogurt (I buy Stonyfield or goat whole milk yogurt, but not often), and I like cheese. I probably like good meltable cheese a little too much.
If you are not lactose intolerant, or have other digestive issues with milk, it's fine for you. In limited amounts. But I do think it is a food that is not a necessary part of one's diet, even if one can digest it past infancy. Since I do eat some forms of it, I prefer not to have it doctored for "mouthfeel" or flavor by excipients. So, I do eat the whole-milk forms. BTW, whole milk is NOT 100% fat, it is 3.5% fat on average!
I'm simply working right now on eating LESS of it (that insidious cheese form I still want to enjoy in all its melty goodness... I can do it!)0 -
Milk can have a lot of natural sugars, so therefore it is somewhat high in carbs, relatively speaking. Fairlife has a bit less carbs. But unless you are lactose intolerant or diabetic, I cannot imagine why someone would say it is bad for you. My cats loved it, and even my dogs like it. I don't drink it because I don't like the taste, but I do eat other dairy.0
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elsie6hickman wrote: »Milk can have a lot of natural sugars, so therefore it is somewhat high in carbs, relatively speaking. Fairlife has a bit less carbs. But unless you are lactose intolerant or diabetic, I cannot imagine why someone would say it is bad for you. My cats loved it, and even my dogs like it. I don't drink it because I don't like the taste, but I do eat other dairy.
1 cup of milk has only 12.8 grams of carbs. Not sure why you would think that is a lot or somewhat high. Complete nutritional breakdown.
https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/69/2
Far more fats and proteins than carbs.8 -
It's a ridiculous and fatally flawed argument right from the start. We're the only species who does a lot of things, many of which are "unnatural". And there are plenty of other animals who will gladly drink milk if it's offered to them....I don't like the argument that "it's unnatural" and "we're the only species who drinks milk into adulthood" and "we're the only species who drinks another animals milk" because I don't base my diet on what other animals are eating.
Actually, one could argue it's very natural since modern humans have specifically evolved to drink animal milk. Lactose tolerance is a recent (within last ~10,000 years) genetic adaptation in ethnicities with a cultural history of dairy farming, and also appears to have evolved independently on multiple occasions in different populations. A renewable source of protein was just too valuable to our ancestors to pass up.6
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