Carbs out of control
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rheddmobile wrote: »Bouncing blood sugar does cause cravings, and quick digesting carbs are a way to shoot your blood sugar up high and drop it quickly. Not all people have the same bodies - many have no issues with carbs, while many others are insulin resistant to some degree. Since fat people often have some degree of insulin resistance, reducing carbs can be helpful.
Incidentally, @livingleanlivingclean - carb withdrawal is a real thing. It's so common in keto dieters that it's nicknamed "keto flu." Carbs are the body's preferred source of energy, and when they are not available it takes a while to adjust.
vitamin deficiencies can also cause cravings for certain things too.1 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Bouncing blood sugar does cause cravings, and quick digesting carbs are a way to shoot your blood sugar up high and drop it quickly. Not all people have the same bodies - many have no issues with carbs, while many others are insulin resistant to some degree. Since fat people often have some degree of insulin resistance, reducing carbs can be helpful.
Incidentally, @livingleanlivingclean - carb withdrawal is a real thing. It's so common in keto dieters that it's nicknamed "keto flu." Carbs are the body's preferred source of energy, and when they are not available it takes a while to adjust.
Keto flu is electrolyte imbalances, that's why It's recommended to increase sodium intake considerably along with increasing water intake.12 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »Crochetluvr wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »I'm trying to get my carbs under control but keep failing. Any tips/advice?
Why are you concerned about your carbs? And what have you done in the past that has not succeeded?
I'm not on a low carb diet, but I have been craving a lot carbs. Binge eating has not helped me. I have tried to eat only good carbs to find myself craving carbs. I'm not good at dieting. It's a miracle I have lost weight. I lost 30 lbs over year ago. I just want to lose 6 more lbs so I'm lighter but have been not able to get out of this rut.
As others have said - there really aren't "good" carbs and "bad" carbs, particularly as it pertains to weight loss goals. What I, and many others find benefit from, is looking at dietary choices in the context of an overall balanced diet, not focusing on individual foods, macros or ingredients. If you are eating a calorie appropriate, varied and balanced diet that hits macro and micronutrient goals - there's nothing wrong with things like sweets, chips, etc in moderation.
You said that your current weight loss goal is 6 lbs - that is not a lot and as such, you really are going to have to be hyper focused on the CALORIE intake, more than the carb intake. In fact, carbs have a tendency to influence water retention - reducing them significantly can lead to a drop in water weight which can look like you've lost the weight you are striving for, only to then have that rebound if you try to resume a "normal" intake. Better to set an appropriate calorie goal (with less than 10 lbs to lose, you can expect about 0.5 lb/week which is only a 250 cal deficit) and focus on logging everything as accurately as possible, ideally using a food scale. You can cut out or eliminate whatever your definition of "junk" is, as these tend to be calorie dense and may be harder to fit in, especially if you have difficulty moderating your intake - but as others have pointed out, labeling these as "bad carbs" when they tend to be comprised as much of fat as carbohydrates - just isn't an accurate representation.
Yes I see how uneducated ppl are on here about carbs. I disagree and believe there is a difference. Bad carbs are the processed carbs/ high sugars(bad sugars) and there are bad sugars that cause cancer and I know what I'm talking about so before you think I don't I'll explain. A pastor friend of mine had cancer. She found out bad sugars cause cancer and it's the processed high carb high sugar that a lot of you on here seem to be misunderstanding. There is a difference from the sugars in fresh fruits from the high processed boxed foods. The fresh fruits are your healthy sugars. Good carbs are whole grains, fresh veggies and fresh fruits. I suggest you do some research. But there are different opinions. But from my experience and my pastor friend's experience I believe that the food industry marketing processed junk is garbage food having GMO's in them. I'm not claiming I'm perfect or shaming anyone and I've fallen back into the unhealthy high processed junk again. But I know better. Also researched I have been iron deficient and we get a lot of iron from our good carbs which is our energy source.32 -
One thing that helps me sometimes when i'm struggling with higher carb content. I like to have my most processed carbs like bread and such earlier in the day and sometimes i even make it a challenge to only have one meal that day with processed carbs and then i try to stick with fruit or veg from midday on. Also sometimes for myself I crave breads and such when i want comfort food. Sometimes a tea or a hot coffee can help, not always but sometimes!0
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WinoGelato wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »Crochetluvr wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »I'm trying to get my carbs under control but keep failing. Any tips/advice?
Why are you concerned about your carbs? And what have you done in the past that has not succeeded?
I'm not on a low carb diet, but I have been craving a lot carbs. Binge eating has not helped me. I have tried to eat only good carbs to find myself craving carbs. I'm not good at dieting. It's a miracle I have lost weight. I lost 30 lbs over year ago. I just want to lose 6 more lbs so I'm lighter but have been not able to get out of this rut.
As others have said - there really aren't "good" carbs and "bad" carbs, particularly as it pertains to weight loss goals. What I, and many others find benefit from, is looking at dietary choices in the context of an overall balanced diet, not focusing on individual foods, macros or ingredients. If you are eating a calorie appropriate, varied and balanced diet that hits macro and micronutrient goals - there's nothing wrong with things like sweets, chips, etc in moderation.
You said that your current weight loss goal is 6 lbs - that is not a lot and as such, you really are going to have to be hyper focused on the CALORIE intake, more than the carb intake. In fact, carbs have a tendency to influence water retention - reducing them significantly can lead to a drop in water weight which can look like you've lost the weight you are striving for, only to then have that rebound if you try to resume a "normal" intake. Better to set an appropriate calorie goal (with less than 10 lbs to lose, you can expect about 0.5 lb/week which is only a 250 cal deficit) and focus on logging everything as accurately as possible, ideally using a food scale. You can cut out or eliminate whatever your definition of "junk" is, as these tend to be calorie dense and may be harder to fit in, especially if you have difficulty moderating your intake - but as others have pointed out, labeling these as "bad carbs" when they tend to be comprised as much of fat as carbohydrates - just isn't an accurate representation.
Also I've lost 30 lbs before joining this app. I lost it by eating good carbs & not eating the high processed carbs. So I know why I'm stuck. I fell back into the high processed junk that provides no health benefits or energy to the body. I was keeping the junk out of the house and am going back to that. Also you might what to research GMO's in the high processed carbs. I will continue to disagree with you about that bad carbs is inaccurate. I think there's a lot inaccurate info on here.17 -
Anita777michelle wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »Crochetluvr wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »I'm trying to get my carbs under control but keep failing. Any tips/advice?
Why are you concerned about your carbs? And what have you done in the past that has not succeeded?
I'm not on a low carb diet, but I have been craving a lot carbs. Binge eating has not helped me. I have tried to eat only good carbs to find myself craving carbs. I'm not good at dieting. It's a miracle I have lost weight. I lost 30 lbs over year ago. I just want to lose 6 more lbs so I'm lighter but have been not able to get out of this rut.
As others have said - there really aren't "good" carbs and "bad" carbs, particularly as it pertains to weight loss goals. What I, and many others find benefit from, is looking at dietary choices in the context of an overall balanced diet, not focusing on individual foods, macros or ingredients. If you are eating a calorie appropriate, varied and balanced diet that hits macro and micronutrient goals - there's nothing wrong with things like sweets, chips, etc in moderation.
You said that your current weight loss goal is 6 lbs - that is not a lot and as such, you really are going to have to be hyper focused on the CALORIE intake, more than the carb intake. In fact, carbs have a tendency to influence water retention - reducing them significantly can lead to a drop in water weight which can look like you've lost the weight you are striving for, only to then have that rebound if you try to resume a "normal" intake. Better to set an appropriate calorie goal (with less than 10 lbs to lose, you can expect about 0.5 lb/week which is only a 250 cal deficit) and focus on logging everything as accurately as possible, ideally using a food scale. You can cut out or eliminate whatever your definition of "junk" is, as these tend to be calorie dense and may be harder to fit in, especially if you have difficulty moderating your intake - but as others have pointed out, labeling these as "bad carbs" when they tend to be comprised as much of fat as carbohydrates - just isn't an accurate representation.
Also I've lost 30 lbs before joining this app. I lost it by eating good carbs & not eating the high processed carbs. So I know why I'm stuck. I fell back into the high processed junk that provides no health benefits or energy to the body. I was keeping the junk out of the house and am going back to that. Also you might what to research GMO's in the high processed carbs. I will continue to disagree with you about that bad carbs is inaccurate. I think there's a lot inaccurate info on here.
Do you have any evidence at all to back up these claims?
You stated that " high processed junk" provides no health benefits or energy. Could you please post anything to support this?
I'd also like to look at your research about your other bad carb claims. Please link peer reviewed studies to support the claims that you are making. You are saying people are so uneducated here, why not post real info to support your theories?12 -
Anita777michelle wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »Crochetluvr wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »I'm trying to get my carbs under control but keep failing. Any tips/advice?
Why are you concerned about your carbs? And what have you done in the past that has not succeeded?
I'm not on a low carb diet, but I have been craving a lot carbs. Binge eating has not helped me. I have tried to eat only good carbs to find myself craving carbs. I'm not good at dieting. It's a miracle I have lost weight. I lost 30 lbs over year ago. I just want to lose 6 more lbs so I'm lighter but have been not able to get out of this rut.
As others have said - there really aren't "good" carbs and "bad" carbs, particularly as it pertains to weight loss goals. What I, and many others find benefit from, is looking at dietary choices in the context of an overall balanced diet, not focusing on individual foods, macros or ingredients. If you are eating a calorie appropriate, varied and balanced diet that hits macro and micronutrient goals - there's nothing wrong with things like sweets, chips, etc in moderation.
You said that your current weight loss goal is 6 lbs - that is not a lot and as such, you really are going to have to be hyper focused on the CALORIE intake, more than the carb intake. In fact, carbs have a tendency to influence water retention - reducing them significantly can lead to a drop in water weight which can look like you've lost the weight you are striving for, only to then have that rebound if you try to resume a "normal" intake. Better to set an appropriate calorie goal (with less than 10 lbs to lose, you can expect about 0.5 lb/week which is only a 250 cal deficit) and focus on logging everything as accurately as possible, ideally using a food scale. You can cut out or eliminate whatever your definition of "junk" is, as these tend to be calorie dense and may be harder to fit in, especially if you have difficulty moderating your intake - but as others have pointed out, labeling these as "bad carbs" when they tend to be comprised as much of fat as carbohydrates - just isn't an accurate representation.
Yes I see how uneducated ppl are on here about carbs. I disagree and believe there is a difference. Bad carbs are the processed carbs/ high sugars(bad sugars) and there are bad sugars that cause cancer and I know what I'm talking about so before you think I don't I'll explain. A pastor friend of mine had cancer. She found out bad sugars cause cancer and it's the processed high carb high sugar that a lot of you on here seem to be misunderstanding. There is a difference from the sugars in fresh fruits from the high processed boxed foods. The fresh fruits are your healthy sugars. Good carbs are whole grains, fresh veggies and fresh fruits. I suggest you do some research. But there are different opinions. But from my experience and my pastor friend's experience I believe that the food industry marketing processed junk is garbage food having GMO's in them. I'm not claiming I'm perfect or shaming anyone and I've fallen back into the unhealthy high processed junk again. But I know better. Also researched I have been iron deficient and we get a lot of iron from our good carbs which is our energy source.
Please post evidence that supports your claim of bad sugar causing cancer.15 -
Omg this thread, amazing! -eats donut-14
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Anita777michelle wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »By definition, nothing is good to have in excess. There are no "good" carbs or "bad" carbs. It depends on context and dosage.
I disagree. There are bad carbs. Processed foods that are high carbs & full of sugars are bad carbs. Good carbs are whole grains, fresh veggies and fresh fruits. Fruit does have sugar but it's not processed and much healthier to eat. I don't think it's good health to eat processed sugars & high carbs a lot. It will increase the appetite and slow the metabolism. Everything is ok every once & awhile but not day to day. I don't like it in my house.
Your body breaks down all sugar into glucose. It can't tell the difference. For me, the key to losing weight comfortably has been to avoid demonizing foods I like. I eat fruit and whole grains and breakfast cereal and Fibre One bars. Lost 107lbs that way and my health hasn't been this good since I don't know when.10 -
Anita777michelle wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »Crochetluvr wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »I'm trying to get my carbs under control but keep failing. Any tips/advice?
Why are you concerned about your carbs? And what have you done in the past that has not succeeded?
I'm not on a low carb diet, but I have been craving a lot carbs. Binge eating has not helped me. I have tried to eat only good carbs to find myself craving carbs. I'm not good at dieting. It's a miracle I have lost weight. I lost 30 lbs over year ago. I just want to lose 6 more lbs so I'm lighter but have been not able to get out of this rut.
As others have said - there really aren't "good" carbs and "bad" carbs, particularly as it pertains to weight loss goals. What I, and many others find benefit from, is looking at dietary choices in the context of an overall balanced diet, not focusing on individual foods, macros or ingredients. If you are eating a calorie appropriate, varied and balanced diet that hits macro and micronutrient goals - there's nothing wrong with things like sweets, chips, etc in moderation.
You said that your current weight loss goal is 6 lbs - that is not a lot and as such, you really are going to have to be hyper focused on the CALORIE intake, more than the carb intake. In fact, carbs have a tendency to influence water retention - reducing them significantly can lead to a drop in water weight which can look like you've lost the weight you are striving for, only to then have that rebound if you try to resume a "normal" intake. Better to set an appropriate calorie goal (with less than 10 lbs to lose, you can expect about 0.5 lb/week which is only a 250 cal deficit) and focus on logging everything as accurately as possible, ideally using a food scale. You can cut out or eliminate whatever your definition of "junk" is, as these tend to be calorie dense and may be harder to fit in, especially if you have difficulty moderating your intake - but as others have pointed out, labeling these as "bad carbs" when they tend to be comprised as much of fat as carbohydrates - just isn't an accurate representation.
Also I've lost 30 lbs before joining this app. I lost it by eating good carbs & not eating the high processed carbs. So I know why I'm stuck. I fell back into the high processed junk that provides no health benefits or energy to the body. I was keeping the junk out of the house and am going back to that. Also you might what to research GMO's in the high processed carbs. I will continue to disagree with you about that bad carbs is inaccurate. I think there's a lot inaccurate info on here.
Oh dear...
Well, first, congrats on your weight loss. It came from a calorie deficit- which is how all weight loss occurs. It has nothing to do with carb intake at all - and the good vs bad carbs also has no bearing on weight loss other than the fact that sometimes highly processed foods are less satiating calories than other, more filling foods, making it easier to overeat them (again - too many calories is what causes you to gain back the weight - not the carbs).
What specifically are you referring to with GMO’s? It’s hard to refute a claim with no specific detail - but telling others to do their research isn’t how it works. If you are claiming that there is an issue with these foods or these ingredients then it’s up to you to provide research (peer reviewed science please - not anecdotal claims like my pastor’s wife had this happen).
I actually agree with you wholeheartedly on your last sentence.13 -
You’re certainly entitled to your own opinions, but you’re not entitled to your own facts.Anita777michelle wrote: »...I will continue to disagree with you about that bad carbs is inaccurate. I think there's a lot inaccurate info on here.
None of what you’re saying is true, it’s all woo peddled by pseudoscientific crackpot fearmongerers like Fung, Taubes and Lustig.
You’re 100% wrong about carbs/sugars and you’re also severely misled about the “dangers” of GMOs.
As to the OP, if you have specific foods which trigger binges or leave you unable to moderate them, it may benefit you to eliminate them from your diet and not have them in your household. Many “treat” foods which people mistakenly label “bad carbs” are often also high in fat, so it’s not just carbs.
You lose weight by consuming less calories than you expend, regardless of the macro composition of your diet.18 -
Anita777michelle wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »Crochetluvr wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »I'm trying to get my carbs under control but keep failing. Any tips/advice?
Why are you concerned about your carbs? And what have you done in the past that has not succeeded?
I'm not on a low carb diet, but I have been craving a lot carbs. Binge eating has not helped me. I have tried to eat only good carbs to find myself craving carbs. I'm not good at dieting. It's a miracle I have lost weight. I lost 30 lbs over year ago. I just want to lose 6 more lbs so I'm lighter but have been not able to get out of this rut.
As others have said - there really aren't "good" carbs and "bad" carbs, particularly as it pertains to weight loss goals. What I, and many others find benefit from, is looking at dietary choices in the context of an overall balanced diet, not focusing on individual foods, macros or ingredients. If you are eating a calorie appropriate, varied and balanced diet that hits macro and micronutrient goals - there's nothing wrong with things like sweets, chips, etc in moderation.
You said that your current weight loss goal is 6 lbs - that is not a lot and as such, you really are going to have to be hyper focused on the CALORIE intake, more than the carb intake. In fact, carbs have a tendency to influence water retention - reducing them significantly can lead to a drop in water weight which can look like you've lost the weight you are striving for, only to then have that rebound if you try to resume a "normal" intake. Better to set an appropriate calorie goal (with less than 10 lbs to lose, you can expect about 0.5 lb/week which is only a 250 cal deficit) and focus on logging everything as accurately as possible, ideally using a food scale. You can cut out or eliminate whatever your definition of "junk" is, as these tend to be calorie dense and may be harder to fit in, especially if you have difficulty moderating your intake - but as others have pointed out, labeling these as "bad carbs" when they tend to be comprised as much of fat as carbohydrates - just isn't an accurate representation.
Yes I see how uneducated ppl are on here about carbs. I disagree and believe there is a difference. Bad carbs are the processed carbs/ high sugars(bad sugars) and there are bad sugars that cause cancer and I know what I'm talking about so before you think I don't I'll explain. A pastor friend of mine had cancer. She found out bad sugars cause cancer and it's the processed high carb high sugar that a lot of you on here seem to be misunderstanding. There is a difference from the sugars in fresh fruits from the high processed boxed foods. The fresh fruits are your healthy sugars. Good carbs are whole grains, fresh veggies and fresh fruits. I suggest you do some research. But there are different opinions. But from my experience and my pastor friend's experience I believe that the food industry marketing processed junk is garbage food having GMO's in them. I'm not claiming I'm perfect or shaming anyone and I've fallen back into the unhealthy high processed junk again. But I know better. Also researched I have been iron deficient and we get a lot of iron from our good carbs which is our energy source.
From https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/in-depth/cancer-causes/art-20044714:Myth: People with cancer shouldn't eat sugar, since it can cause cancer to grow faster.
Fact: Sugar doesn't make cancer grow faster. All cells, including cancer cells, depend on blood sugar (glucose) for energy. But giving more sugar to cancer cells doesn't speed their growth. Likewise, depriving cancer cells of sugar doesn't slow their growth.
This misconception may be based in part on a misunderstanding of positron emission tomography (PET) scans, which use a small amount of radioactive tracer — typically a form of glucose. All tissues in your body absorb some of this tracer, but tissues that are using more energy — including cancer cells — absorb greater amounts. For this reason, some people have concluded that cancer cells grow faster on sugar. But this isn't true.
However, there is some evidence that consuming large amounts of sugar is associated with an increased risk of certain cancers, including esophageal cancer. It can also lead to weight gain and increase the risk of obesity and diabetes, which may increase the risk of cancer.
Note: The Mayo Clinic mentions a possible link between high sugar consumption and cancer, but doesn't distinguish "good" vs "bad". Sugar is sugar. Also notes that obesity and diabetes may be the real culprits.
From: https://www.cancercenter.com/discussions/blog/natural-versus-refined-sugars-what-is-the-difference/How the body metabolizes the sugar in fruit and milk differs from how it metabolizes the refined sugar added to processed foods. The body breaks down refined sugar rapidly, causing insulin and blood sugar levels to skyrocket. Because refined sugar is digested quickly, you don’t feel full after you’re done eating, no matter how many calories you consumed. The fiber in fruit slows down metabolism, as fruit in the gut expands to make you feel full.
But there’s a caveat, Baker says. Once the sugar passes through the stomach and reaches the small intestine, it doesn’t matter if it came from an apple or a soft drink.
“How much sugar is already in your blood will determine how the body uses the sugar,” Baker says. “If you already have a lot of sugar in your system, then what you just digested will form either fat or glycogen, the storage form of glucose that’s used for quick energy. It doesn’t matter if it’s junk food or fruit.”
Too much sugar? Possible problem. Processed vs natural? Not so much.21 -
Anita777michelle wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »Crochetluvr wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »I'm trying to get my carbs under control but keep failing. Any tips/advice?
Why are you concerned about your carbs? And what have you done in the past that has not succeeded?
I'm not on a low carb diet, but I have been craving a lot carbs. Binge eating has not helped me. I have tried to eat only good carbs to find myself craving carbs. I'm not good at dieting. It's a miracle I have lost weight. I lost 30 lbs over year ago. I just want to lose 6 more lbs so I'm lighter but have been not able to get out of this rut.
As others have said - there really aren't "good" carbs and "bad" carbs, particularly as it pertains to weight loss goals. What I, and many others find benefit from, is looking at dietary choices in the context of an overall balanced diet, not focusing on individual foods, macros or ingredients. If you are eating a calorie appropriate, varied and balanced diet that hits macro and micronutrient goals - there's nothing wrong with things like sweets, chips, etc in moderation.
You said that your current weight loss goal is 6 lbs - that is not a lot and as such, you really are going to have to be hyper focused on the CALORIE intake, more than the carb intake. In fact, carbs have a tendency to influence water retention - reducing them significantly can lead to a drop in water weight which can look like you've lost the weight you are striving for, only to then have that rebound if you try to resume a "normal" intake. Better to set an appropriate calorie goal (with less than 10 lbs to lose, you can expect about 0.5 lb/week which is only a 250 cal deficit) and focus on logging everything as accurately as possible, ideally using a food scale. You can cut out or eliminate whatever your definition of "junk" is, as these tend to be calorie dense and may be harder to fit in, especially if you have difficulty moderating your intake - but as others have pointed out, labeling these as "bad carbs" when they tend to be comprised as much of fat as carbohydrates - just isn't an accurate representation.
Yes I see how uneducated ppl are on here about carbs. I disagree and believe there is a difference. Bad carbs are the processed carbs/ high sugars(bad sugars) and there are bad sugars that cause cancer and I know what I'm talking about so before you think I don't I'll explain. A pastor friend of mine had cancer. She found out bad sugars cause cancer and it's the processed high carb high sugar that a lot of you on here seem to be misunderstanding. There is a difference from the sugars in fresh fruits from the high processed boxed foods. The fresh fruits are your healthy sugars. Good carbs are whole grains, fresh veggies and fresh fruits. I suggest you do some research. But there are different opinions. But from my experience and my pastor friend's experience I believe that the food industry marketing processed junk is garbage food having GMO's in them. I'm not claiming I'm perfect or shaming anyone and I've fallen back into the unhealthy high processed junk again. But I know better. Also researched I have been iron deficient and we get a lot of iron from our good carbs which is our energy source.
Nope to everything you said above.
Sometimes you don't know what you don't know.
This would be one of those times for you, I'm afraid.17 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »
From: https://www.cancercenter.com/discussions/blog/natural-versus-refined-sugars-what-is-the-difference/How the body metabolizes the sugar in fruit and milk differs from how it metabolizes the refined sugar added to processed foods. The body breaks down refined sugar rapidly, causing insulin and blood sugar levels to skyrocket. Because refined sugar is digested quickly, you don’t feel full after you’re done eating, no matter how many calories you consumed. The fiber in fruit slows down metabolism, as fruit in the gut expands to make you feel full.
But there’s a caveat, Baker says. Once the sugar passes through the stomach and reaches the small intestine, it doesn’t matter if it came from an apple or a soft drink.
“How much sugar is already in your blood will determine how the body uses the sugar,” Baker says. “If you already have a lot of sugar in your system, then what you just digested will form either fat or glycogen, the storage form of glucose that’s used for quick energy. It doesn’t matter if it’s junk food or fruit.”
Too much sugar? Possible problem. Processed vs natural? Not so much.
You bolded the second paragraph of your quote, but the first paragraph is more relevant. Let's repeat that part, from your source.
How the body metabolizes the sugar in fruit and milk differs from how it metabolizes the refined sugar added to processed foods. The body breaks down refined sugar rapidly, causing insulin and blood sugar levels to skyrocket. Because refined sugar is digested quickly, you don’t feel full after you’re done eating, no matter how many calories you consumed. The fiber in fruit slows down metabolism, as fruit in the gut expands to make you feel full.
Not sure why you felt the need to ignore your own source, but this is what you just posted. It's true that once it's done kicking your blood sugar around and causing cravings, it will be utilized identically. But refined sugar does, in fact, kick your blood sugar around without causing a feeling of satiety. That's troublesome for anyone trying to control cravings, and potentially deadly for anyone trying to control diabetes.3 -
100_PROOF_ wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »Crochetluvr wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »I'm trying to get my carbs under control but keep failing. Any tips/advice?
Why are you concerned about your carbs? And what have you done in the past that has not succeeded?
I'm not on a low carb diet, but I have been craving a lot carbs. Binge eating has not helped me. I have tried to eat only good carbs to find myself craving carbs. I'm not good at dieting. It's a miracle I have lost weight. I lost 30 lbs over year ago. I just want to lose 6 more lbs so I'm lighter but have been not able to get out of this rut.
As others have said - there really aren't "good" carbs and "bad" carbs, particularly as it pertains to weight loss goals. What I, and many others find benefit from, is looking at dietary choices in the context of an overall balanced diet, not focusing on individual foods, macros or ingredients. If you are eating a calorie appropriate, varied and balanced diet that hits macro and micronutrient goals - there's nothing wrong with things like sweets, chips, etc in moderation.
You said that your current weight loss goal is 6 lbs - that is not a lot and as such, you really are going to have to be hyper focused on the CALORIE intake, more than the carb intake. In fact, carbs have a tendency to influence water retention - reducing them significantly can lead to a drop in water weight which can look like you've lost the weight you are striving for, only to then have that rebound if you try to resume a "normal" intake. Better to set an appropriate calorie goal (with less than 10 lbs to lose, you can expect about 0.5 lb/week which is only a 250 cal deficit) and focus on logging everything as accurately as possible, ideally using a food scale. You can cut out or eliminate whatever your definition of "junk" is, as these tend to be calorie dense and may be harder to fit in, especially if you have difficulty moderating your intake - but as others have pointed out, labeling these as "bad carbs" when they tend to be comprised as much of fat as carbohydrates - just isn't an accurate representation.
Also I've lost 30 lbs before joining this app. I lost it by eating good carbs & not eating the high processed carbs. So I know why I'm stuck. I fell back into the high processed junk that provides no health benefits or energy to the body. I was keeping the junk out of the house and am going back to that. Also you might what to research GMO's in the high processed carbs. I will continue to disagree with you about that bad carbs is inaccurate. I think there's a lot inaccurate info on here.
Do you have any evidence at all to back up these claims?
You stated that " high processed junk" provides no health benefits or energy. Could you please post anything to support this?
I'd also like to look at your research about your other bad carb claims. Please link peer reviewed studies to support the claims that you are making. You are saying people are so uneducated here, why not post real info to support your theories?
I'm sorry but I'm not going to do that. I don't have time proving my point on here. I've haven't been on a weight loss app with so many complaints about bad carbs before. This is the first. You'll have to do your own homework if you really want to find out if what I'm saying is true. This is true: A pastor friend of mine got cancer. What she learned & I agree is that the high processed foods high in carbs & sugars are bad & the bad sugars cause cancer. She didn't take drugs to fight the cancer but she took high doses of vitamin C and completely changed her diet & the caner was destroyed. Vitamin C kills cancer but big pharmacy and food industry doesn't want us to know this info. I do eat some processed organic & non GMO food. But it's much healthier to eat fresh unprocessed foods. You can ignore what I'm telling you or you can research it yourself like everyone else. Don't demand others to prove something b/c you disagree.31 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »Crochetluvr wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »I'm trying to get my carbs under control but keep failing. Any tips/advice?
Why are you concerned about your carbs? And what have you done in the past that has not succeeded?
I'm not on a low carb diet, but I have been craving a lot carbs. Binge eating has not helped me. I have tried to eat only good carbs to find myself craving carbs. I'm not good at dieting. It's a miracle I have lost weight. I lost 30 lbs over year ago. I just want to lose 6 more lbs so I'm lighter but have been not able to get out of this rut.
As others have said - there really aren't "good" carbs and "bad" carbs, particularly as it pertains to weight loss goals. What I, and many others find benefit from, is looking at dietary choices in the context of an overall balanced diet, not focusing on individual foods, macros or ingredients. If you are eating a calorie appropriate, varied and balanced diet that hits macro and micronutrient goals - there's nothing wrong with things like sweets, chips, etc in moderation.
You said that your current weight loss goal is 6 lbs - that is not a lot and as such, you really are going to have to be hyper focused on the CALORIE intake, more than the carb intake. In fact, carbs have a tendency to influence water retention - reducing them significantly can lead to a drop in water weight which can look like you've lost the weight you are striving for, only to then have that rebound if you try to resume a "normal" intake. Better to set an appropriate calorie goal (with less than 10 lbs to lose, you can expect about 0.5 lb/week which is only a 250 cal deficit) and focus on logging everything as accurately as possible, ideally using a food scale. You can cut out or eliminate whatever your definition of "junk" is, as these tend to be calorie dense and may be harder to fit in, especially if you have difficulty moderating your intake - but as others have pointed out, labeling these as "bad carbs" when they tend to be comprised as much of fat as carbohydrates - just isn't an accurate representation.
Also I've lost 30 lbs before joining this app. I lost it by eating good carbs & not eating the high processed carbs. So I know why I'm stuck. I fell back into the high processed junk that provides no health benefits or energy to the body. I was keeping the junk out of the house and am going back to that. Also you might what to research GMO's in the high processed carbs. I will continue to disagree with you about that bad carbs is inaccurate. I think there's a lot inaccurate info on here.
Oh dear...
Well, first, congrats on your weight loss. It came from a calorie deficit- which is how all weight loss occurs. It has nothing to do with carb intake at all - and the good vs bad carbs also has no bearing on weight loss other than the fact that sometimes highly processed foods are less satiating calories than other, more filling foods, making it easier to overeat them (again - too many calories is what causes you to gain back the weight - not the carbs).
What specifically are you referring to with GMO’s? It’s hard to refute a claim with no specific detail - but telling others to do their research isn’t how it works. If you are claiming that there is an issue with these foods or these ingredients then it’s up to you to provide research (peer reviewed science please - not anecdotal claims like my pastor’s wife had this happen).
I actually agree with you wholeheartedly on your last sentence.
Just starting on reading your reply I can't finish reading it b/c you're very dogmatic. Please don't explain to me why I lost weight. I think I would know how since I'm the one who put the work in & not you. It seems to be such a battle on here over carbs. I lost the weight eating some organic & non GMO processed food, making healthier choices. I believe it's way better to eat more fresh food than processed. This isn't a debate. It's what I believe and feel sorry for everyone on here who are trying to debate about good vs bad carbs. Tomato, tomato and I have better things to do.21 -
rheddmobile wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »
From: https://www.cancercenter.com/discussions/blog/natural-versus-refined-sugars-what-is-the-difference/How the body metabolizes the sugar in fruit and milk differs from how it metabolizes the refined sugar added to processed foods. The body breaks down refined sugar rapidly, causing insulin and blood sugar levels to skyrocket. Because refined sugar is digested quickly, you don’t feel full after you’re done eating, no matter how many calories you consumed. The fiber in fruit slows down metabolism, as fruit in the gut expands to make you feel full.
But there’s a caveat, Baker says. Once the sugar passes through the stomach and reaches the small intestine, it doesn’t matter if it came from an apple or a soft drink.
“How much sugar is already in your blood will determine how the body uses the sugar,” Baker says. “If you already have a lot of sugar in your system, then what you just digested will form either fat or glycogen, the storage form of glucose that’s used for quick energy. It doesn’t matter if it’s junk food or fruit.”
Too much sugar? Possible problem. Processed vs natural? Not so much.
You bolded the second paragraph of your quote, but the first paragraph is more relevant. Let's repeat that part, from your source.
How the body metabolizes the sugar in fruit and milk differs from how it metabolizes the refined sugar added to processed foods. The body breaks down refined sugar rapidly, causing insulin and blood sugar levels to skyrocket. Because refined sugar is digested quickly, you don’t feel full after you’re done eating, no matter how many calories you consumed. The fiber in fruit slows down metabolism, as fruit in the gut expands to make you feel full.
Not sure why you felt the need to ignore your own source, but this is what you just posted. It's true that once it's done kicking your blood sugar around and causing cravings, it will be utilized identically. But refined sugar does, in fact, kick your blood sugar around without causing a feeling of satiety. That's troublesome for anyone trying to control cravings, and potentially deadly for anyone trying to control diabetes.
Because not everyone has diabetes. If someone has a medical restriction, that's a totally different animal. I seldom feel dissatisfied after consuming a food with refined sugar, probably because that's hardly the only thing I eat. Again, it's about context and dosage.
If I add refined sugar to whole grains, does one cancel out the other? How about if I have a Little Debbie Snack Cake after a meal of chickpeas, amaranth, and sauteed veg? Nobody is advocating a cotton candy monodiet, but refined sugar is not the devil.10 -
OP, you'll find many of us have done years of research, and there are many threads here discussing GMOs, sugar, and diet composition.
IMHO, no individual foods are good or bad, it is your overall diet that can be good or bad. If you eat a nutritious, calorie appropriate diet, having a couple of Oreos after dinner isn't going to hurt anything. I might suggest that your struggle to cut out bad carbs is unnecessary and that's probably why you are struggling.
I was fine just reading and not posting in this thread until your post about cancer. It is incredibly insulting to both the people who are on the front lines fighting cancer every day, and the beautiful people who threw everything they had at it and still lost.
If you aren't willing to back up your claims, expect to have them called out. You can't just say the sky is green and then expect people to congratulate you on your opinion and go looking for pictures of the green sky. You want to say something specific causes cancer and something specific cures it, you sure as heck better back it up with something better than "because I said so". FYI, people I cared about didn't die of cancer because they ate too much sugar and not enough vitamin C.22 -
rheddmobile wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »
From: https://www.cancercenter.com/discussions/blog/natural-versus-refined-sugars-what-is-the-difference/How the body metabolizes the sugar in fruit and milk differs from how it metabolizes the refined sugar added to processed foods. The body breaks down refined sugar rapidly, causing insulin and blood sugar levels to skyrocket. Because refined sugar is digested quickly, you don’t feel full after you’re done eating, no matter how many calories you consumed. The fiber in fruit slows down metabolism, as fruit in the gut expands to make you feel full.
But there’s a caveat, Baker says. Once the sugar passes through the stomach and reaches the small intestine, it doesn’t matter if it came from an apple or a soft drink.
“How much sugar is already in your blood will determine how the body uses the sugar,” Baker says. “If you already have a lot of sugar in your system, then what you just digested will form either fat or glycogen, the storage form of glucose that’s used for quick energy. It doesn’t matter if it’s junk food or fruit.”
Too much sugar? Possible problem. Processed vs natural? Not so much.
You bolded the second paragraph of your quote, but the first paragraph is more relevant. Let's repeat that part, from your source.
How the body metabolizes the sugar in fruit and milk differs from how it metabolizes the refined sugar added to processed foods. The body breaks down refined sugar rapidly, causing insulin and blood sugar levels to skyrocket. Because refined sugar is digested quickly, you don’t feel full after you’re done eating, no matter how many calories you consumed. The fiber in fruit slows down metabolism, as fruit in the gut expands to make you feel full.
Not sure why you felt the need to ignore your own source, but this is what you just posted. It's true that once it's done kicking your blood sugar around and causing cravings, it will be utilized identically. But refined sugar does, in fact, kick your blood sugar around without causing a feeling of satiety. That's troublesome for anyone trying to control cravings, and potentially deadly for anyone trying to control diabetes.
I fully agree. I'm not getting the debate on here with ppl who are supposedly here to improve their health. I guess they're just on here to argue & lose weight. I have been on other weight loss apps and people have always agreed about the processed foods vs fresh foods. Sugar isn't the enemy or carbs & wasn't even what I had said. The garbage processed high carb high sugar w/ GMO's & all kinds of garbage ingredients that are bad & medical research has proven these foods cause sickness. Never been around such anti health foods ppl on a weight loss app ever. What a shame! Also my mom has sugar diabetes. So finding out about healthier nutrition is what I do.19 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »Crochetluvr wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »I'm trying to get my carbs under control but keep failing. Any tips/advice?
Why are you concerned about your carbs? And what have you done in the past that has not succeeded?
I'm not on a low carb diet, but I have been craving a lot carbs. Binge eating has not helped me. I have tried to eat only good carbs to find myself craving carbs. I'm not good at dieting. It's a miracle I have lost weight. I lost 30 lbs over year ago. I just want to lose 6 more lbs so I'm lighter but have been not able to get out of this rut.
As others have said - there really aren't "good" carbs and "bad" carbs, particularly as it pertains to weight loss goals. What I, and many others find benefit from, is looking at dietary choices in the context of an overall balanced diet, not focusing on individual foods, macros or ingredients. If you are eating a calorie appropriate, varied and balanced diet that hits macro and micronutrient goals - there's nothing wrong with things like sweets, chips, etc in moderation.
You said that your current weight loss goal is 6 lbs - that is not a lot and as such, you really are going to have to be hyper focused on the CALORIE intake, more than the carb intake. In fact, carbs have a tendency to influence water retention - reducing them significantly can lead to a drop in water weight which can look like you've lost the weight you are striving for, only to then have that rebound if you try to resume a "normal" intake. Better to set an appropriate calorie goal (with less than 10 lbs to lose, you can expect about 0.5 lb/week which is only a 250 cal deficit) and focus on logging everything as accurately as possible, ideally using a food scale. You can cut out or eliminate whatever your definition of "junk" is, as these tend to be calorie dense and may be harder to fit in, especially if you have difficulty moderating your intake - but as others have pointed out, labeling these as "bad carbs" when they tend to be comprised as much of fat as carbohydrates - just isn't an accurate representation.
Yes I see how uneducated ppl are on here about carbs. I disagree and believe there is a difference. Bad carbs are the processed carbs/ high sugars(bad sugars) and there are bad sugars that cause cancer and I know what I'm talking about so before you think I don't I'll explain. A pastor friend of mine had cancer. She found out bad sugars cause cancer and it's the processed high carb high sugar that a lot of you on here seem to be misunderstanding. There is a difference from the sugars in fresh fruits from the high processed boxed foods. The fresh fruits are your healthy sugars. Good carbs are whole grains, fresh veggies and fresh fruits. I suggest you do some research. But there are different opinions. But from my experience and my pastor friend's experience I believe that the food industry marketing processed junk is garbage food having GMO's in them. I'm not claiming I'm perfect or shaming anyone and I've fallen back into the unhealthy high processed junk again. But I know better. Also researched I have been iron deficient and we get a lot of iron from our good carbs which is our energy source.
From https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cancer/in-depth/cancer-causes/art-20044714:Myth: People with cancer shouldn't eat sugar, since it can cause cancer to grow faster.
Fact: Sugar doesn't make cancer grow faster. All cells, including cancer cells, depend on blood sugar (glucose) for energy. But giving more sugar to cancer cells doesn't speed their growth. Likewise, depriving cancer cells of sugar doesn't slow their growth.
This misconception may be based in part on a misunderstanding of positron emission tomography (PET) scans, which use a small amount of radioactive tracer — typically a form of glucose. All tissues in your body absorb some of this tracer, but tissues that are using more energy — including cancer cells — absorb greater amounts. For this reason, some people have concluded that cancer cells grow faster on sugar. But this isn't true.
However, there is some evidence that consuming large amounts of sugar is associated with an increased risk of certain cancers, including esophageal cancer. It can also lead to weight gain and increase the risk of obesity and diabetes, which may increase the risk of cancer.
Note: The Mayo Clinic mentions a possible link between high sugar consumption and cancer, but doesn't distinguish "good" vs "bad". Sugar is sugar. Also notes that obesity and diabetes may be the real culprits.
From: https://www.cancercenter.com/discussions/blog/natural-versus-refined-sugars-what-is-the-difference/How the body metabolizes the sugar in fruit and milk differs from how it metabolizes the refined sugar added to processed foods. The body breaks down refined sugar rapidly, causing insulin and blood sugar levels to skyrocket. Because refined sugar is digested quickly, you don’t feel full after you’re done eating, no matter how many calories you consumed. The fiber in fruit slows down metabolism, as fruit in the gut expands to make you feel full.
But there’s a caveat, Baker says. Once the sugar passes through the stomach and reaches the small intestine, it doesn’t matter if it came from an apple or a soft drink.
“How much sugar is already in your blood will determine how the body uses the sugar,” Baker says. “If you already have a lot of sugar in your system, then what you just digested will form either fat or glycogen, the storage form of glucose that’s used for quick energy. It doesn’t matter if it’s junk food or fruit.”
Too much sugar? Possible problem. Processed vs natural? Not so much.
I wasn't talking about sugar diabetes. That's a different nutrition plan than someone who isn't diabetic. My mom has sugar diabetes, but I don't. It doesn't make a difference where the sugar comes from with diabetes. With diabetes it's about the A1C count level. Cinnamon supplements bring the A1C count down & can heal sugar diabetes. The pharmacy garbage drugs are no good for A1C and are big $ for big pharmacy and big hospitals. A lot of garbage healthcare pumping out these drugs on top of that. So even for a diabetic it's healthier to eat fruit than processed garbage with a low A1C count. Facts doesn't produce what real life experience does!20 -
I was told as long as i stay UNDER my 2230 calories a day the carbs should not matter. first week i lost 5 lbs staying under in calories. Eat some noodles or bread or dessert....I just wont eat 2200 calories worth of dessert but otherwise i eat whatever i want just so i stay under Calories.9
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poolplayer67 wrote: »I was told as long as i stay UNDER my 2230 calories a day the carbs should not matter. first week i lost 5 lbs staying under in calories. Eat some noodles or bread or dessert....I just wont eat 2200 calories worth of dessert but otherwise i eat whatever i want just so i stay under Calories.
For weight loss calories are king. Everyone is a little different for what keeps them feeling full, that's something that takes trial and error. Eating a balanced variety of foods helps with micronutrients (vitamins and minerals) that your body needs for optimal functioning. Nothing wrong with noodles, or bread, or dessert as long as they don't prevent you from getting the nutrition you need.6 -
Anita777michelle wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »Crochetluvr wrote: »Anita777michelle wrote: »I'm trying to get my carbs under control but keep failing. Any tips/advice?
Why are you concerned about your carbs? And what have you done in the past that has not succeeded?
I'm not on a low carb diet, but I have been craving a lot carbs. Binge eating has not helped me. I have tried to eat only good carbs to find myself craving carbs. I'm not good at dieting. It's a miracle I have lost weight. I lost 30 lbs over year ago. I just want to lose 6 more lbs so I'm lighter but have been not able to get out of this rut.
As others have said - there really aren't "good" carbs and "bad" carbs, particularly as it pertains to weight loss goals. What I, and many others find benefit from, is looking at dietary choices in the context of an overall balanced diet, not focusing on individual foods, macros or ingredients. If you are eating a calorie appropriate, varied and balanced diet that hits macro and micronutrient goals - there's nothing wrong with things like sweets, chips, etc in moderation.
You said that your current weight loss goal is 6 lbs - that is not a lot and as such, you really are going to have to be hyper focused on the CALORIE intake, more than the carb intake. In fact, carbs have a tendency to influence water retention - reducing them significantly can lead to a drop in water weight which can look like you've lost the weight you are striving for, only to then have that rebound if you try to resume a "normal" intake. Better to set an appropriate calorie goal (with less than 10 lbs to lose, you can expect about 0.5 lb/week which is only a 250 cal deficit) and focus on logging everything as accurately as possible, ideally using a food scale. You can cut out or eliminate whatever your definition of "junk" is, as these tend to be calorie dense and may be harder to fit in, especially if you have difficulty moderating your intake - but as others have pointed out, labeling these as "bad carbs" when they tend to be comprised as much of fat as carbohydrates - just isn't an accurate representation.
Also I've lost 30 lbs before joining this app. I lost it by eating good carbs & not eating the high processed carbs. So I know why I'm stuck. I fell back into the high processed junk that provides no health benefits or energy to the body. I was keeping the junk out of the house and am going back to that. Also you might what to research GMO's in the high processed carbs. I will continue to disagree with you about that bad carbs is inaccurate. I think there's a lot inaccurate info on here.
Do you have any evidence at all to back up these claims?
You stated that " high processed junk" provides no health benefits or energy. Could you please post anything to support this?
I'd also like to look at your research about your other bad carb claims. Please link peer reviewed studies to support the claims that you are making. You are saying people are so uneducated here, why not post real info to support your theories?
I'm sorry but I'm not going to do that. I don't have time proving my point on here. I've haven't been on a weight loss app with so many complaints about bad carbs before. This is the first. You'll have to do your own homework if you really want to find out if what I'm saying is true. This is true: A pastor friend of mine got cancer. What she learned & I agree is that the high processed foods high in carbs & sugars are bad & the bad sugars cause cancer. She didn't take drugs to fight the cancer but she took high doses of vitamin C and completely changed her diet & the caner was destroyed. Vitamin C kills cancer but big pharmacy and food industry doesn't want us to know this info. I do eat some processed organic & non GMO food. But it's much healthier to eat fresh unprocessed foods. You can ignore what I'm telling you or you can research it yourself like everyone else. Don't demand others to prove something b/c you disagree.
You made the claims so all I'm asking is to see your research that proves your theories. I have researched it myself and have found the exact opposite to be true. I use Google scholar and like to read peer reviewed studies, I was wondering where you were getting your information from?
It's not abuse because someone disagrees and wants to see your research.11 -
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Listen folks... A couple of points:
1. OP posted this thread in Getting Started, not debate.
2. OPs post asked for help in figuring out her carb issues.
3. Did I mention that this hasn't been posted in debate? (need more coffee)
4. Telling people you're reporting them is inciting drama/flame-baiting, which is a violation of community guidelines.
5. Calling other users names is also against community guidelines.
6. There are some other things that happened in this thread that violate guidelines too, so I'm going to just leave this here... Please read them. http://www.myfitnesspal.com/welcome/guidelines
I just had to delete half this post so no one would have to warn me... Aaaand I'm off to actually enjoy my coffee for a few minutes.
Happy freaking Friday, folks.
Em
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