Setting limits to binges
alwaysbloated
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I had an idea for controlling binges, but I had a question. Feel free to leave any other feedback you have.
-what is the most deficit that you can have in a day, and still be healthy? like if I have to eat 2500 calories a day to maintain, what is the most calories a day I can take off that and still be healthy? 1000?
My idea was to have 1 or 2 days a week where I am allowed to binge, maybe between 1000 and 5000 calories in one sitting. I'm wondering how/if this would be possible while losing weight. The goal would be to start off with my current binge level and over time tweak it so that it is no more than 400 calories in one sitting, either because I'm eating a modified version of the binge, or the amount I'm eating is much smaller. I don't know how much I would eat in a current binge, I need to calculate it.
Other ideas:
Common binges I have (feel free to leave suggestions for alternate food ideas that won't make me cringe or laugh, suggestions should be similar to what I eat in taste/texture, but less calories/healthier)
Thanks everyone :-)
-what is the most deficit that you can have in a day, and still be healthy? like if I have to eat 2500 calories a day to maintain, what is the most calories a day I can take off that and still be healthy? 1000?
My idea was to have 1 or 2 days a week where I am allowed to binge, maybe between 1000 and 5000 calories in one sitting. I'm wondering how/if this would be possible while losing weight. The goal would be to start off with my current binge level and over time tweak it so that it is no more than 400 calories in one sitting, either because I'm eating a modified version of the binge, or the amount I'm eating is much smaller. I don't know how much I would eat in a current binge, I need to calculate it.
Other ideas:
- -Never binge alone
- -Set a start and finish time
- -Weigh food and record in MFP before I start eating
- -Drink lots of water inbetween
- -Space it out with healthy food (like if I wanted onion dip with potato chips, have a quarter as much of the dip and the chips, and also have a portion of salsa and a bunch of different veges for dipping)
- -Do it in the middle of the day, instead of at the end
- -Limit how much food I buy
- -Try to mostly eat what's in the house and set a price limit for how much I spend, such as $10 instead of like $30
- -Learn how to cook
- -Try alternate recipes inbetween having my favourite, to see if I am happy with a healthier/lower calorie substitution
- -Only buy one or two portions instead of cooking at home (1 or 2 brownies brought at the store, instead of a whole pan of brownies made at home)
- -Only do baking etc if I can share the bulk of it at a party, club or event
- -Go for a walk and meditate first
- -Write down how I feel before, during and after
- -Eat slowly
- -Stop eating when I stop enjoying the taste of the food
Common binges I have (feel free to leave suggestions for alternate food ideas that won't make me cringe or laugh, suggestions should be similar to what I eat in taste/texture, but less calories/healthier)
- -microwave brownie, uncooked
- -uncooked cookie dough
- -1 pizza, (Margherita, BBQ Hawaiian or something fancy) stuffed crust with garlic bread or chips on the side, a bottle of coke no sugar/pepsi max
- -salt and vinegar chips and onion dip, some kind of candy, chocolate, soda
- -a big bag of caramel popcorn or coloured popcorn (actually hate eating this because I don't enjoy the texture once it starts to get caught in my throat, and I hate getting sticky hands)
- -hunger busters from McDonalds- caramel sundae with m&ms, big mac, cheese burger, large fries, large coke no sugar
- -combo from burger king- either a whopper or hawaaian chicken burger with chips and a diet soda (they are large burgers)
- -flake supershake from wendys
- -medium butter popcorn and diet soda and a big bag of m&ms (only when I go to the movies, but I've noticed that when I get food at the movies, I get too distracted by the desire to eat and don't pay close attention to the movies. Tried eating the same food at home and didn't find it appealing)
- -KFC- 2 piece quarter pack which is 2 pieces of chicken, chicken salt chips, potato & gravy, a bun, a diet soda. Or the 3 piece (?) which is an extra piece of chicken and the stuff listed before + a moro bar
- -These crispy noodle things that are like 1000 calories for a whole packet. I find it hard to stop after eating half a pack. You are supposed to add them to stirfrys or salad, but I don't have much self control. Probably supposed to split them into like 10 serves.
- -2 minute noodles. Often have 2 packets, plus the seasonings, mixed veges and extra soy sauce if I don't like the flavour in the packet
- -These noodle things my indonesian friend does- ramen + seasoning + 2-3 wedges of laughing cow
Thanks everyone :-)
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I don't think it's a good idea to try to cut too many calories in order to allow for a "binge," but I also don't see why you couldn't cut (say) 100-200 calories for a few days and then make it up. Lots of people bank calories for a treat. The problem for me when I did that in the very beginning is that I didn't stick to good nutrition on the other days and I was undereating on those days. Nutrition really has to be dialed-in and on-point during the week in my experience. Lots of vegetables and lean proteins.
There is the issue of nutrition, and there is the fact that restrict/binge can lead to an eating disorder. It's just bargaining with the need to binge in the first place. Slippery slope.
I have one day per week when I allow myself to be way over my calories. That's the day I buy and eat my can't-really-stop-eating-it foods, like the ones in your list. I don't cut back during the rest of the week, I eat my regular maintenance calories. I've been in maintenance for a decade and have used this strategy throughout and I'm not willing to give up those foods so I just limit them to that one day. For me it's Saturday. I pick one or two of those triggery foods and enjoy it. I'm usually over by 500-1500 calories. I just accept that, and move on.
Good luck - there are lots of strategies.5 -
I have "followed" you in here since you were new, cheered on your ups and been saddened by your downs - and now I'm not sure if you're getting better or not. I think the whole idea of "binge" brings a lot of negative associations. So many rules, dividing foods into food you like and healthy food - it seems to me you have an idea of ALLOWING that implies outside control, you're desperate to CONTROL yourself, but what you need to practice, is AUTONOMY.
There are no rules of how little you can eat in one day, occasionally, and stay healthy. If you were lost while on a mountain trek, you'd still be alive when the search group find you the next day. Hungry, cold and tired, but alive and healthy. The reason why we don't recommend "not eating" as a weightloss strategy, is that you get hungry when you don't eat, and you're not in the mountains, unless you think about your situation as surrounded by mountains of food. It's hard to deny oneself pleasure that is right in front of us, free to grab. A reasonable strategy is to aim to balance pleasure with physical needs. The details will depend on your actual life and schedule, but EATING REGULARLY is a way to not only ensure proper nutrition, but also create PREDICTABILITY that will reduce anxiety around food.
Many of your points on your list tend to work well because they are sensible, or can be used sensibly. But that depends on your approach. If you approach it in a loving and caring way, curious and patient, your relationship with food will improve. If you use them as ways to deny or deprive yourself, that relationship will deteriorate.
I am all for eating in company whenever possble. Eating in company, as in, with people you like and trust (no bingers or anorectics - no jugdment from me, just reminding you that you are your number one priority), can make you focus more on the company than the food, seeing how the others eat can help you pace yourself, practice sharing, create new, positive associations with food, making food into a more ordinary thing.
Having regular meal times is a good idea. It will help you get in touch with your hunger signals and regulate your appetite. It also creates predictability, you know there is a meal coming up in x hours or minutes.
Weighing and logging food, yes. Knowing how much you're actually eating, will make you more aware of your intake, and you can relax more when you know you're eating enough, but not too much.
Balancing food groups, flavors, textures, yes. All foods have nutrition, and a good meal has a little bit of many things. You need a range of nutrients every day, but you can indeed choose how to get them in.
Eat your largest meal any time of the day you want. For most people, this is the "social" meal after the day's work is done.
Just buying what you need when you grocery shop, that's a good idea. Plan your meals, and figure out how much food you'll be able to eat up in a sensible fashion, until next scheduled shopping trip. Not having a limitless stock of all foods at home, and having to wait until you get new supplies, gently forces you to "share with the future you".
Not overbuying is a good thing, but do it sensibly - some foods are more expensive than others, your shopping basket will normally be a little different each time. You could practice buying just what's on your list, instead of having a price limit.
Being price conscious is good. Look for bargains. Bulk buy when the price is right. But it's smart to never bulk buy of these categories: Perishables, foods you know you'll overeat, foods you're not sure you'll be bored with.
It's also smart to not make/bake anything you have trouble moderating, if you find yourself alone with them.
Learning how to cook is a great gift and can be great fun. If you cook meals you like, you will feel like a winner. Ordinary, traditional recipes are "healthy", avoid the "low cal" versions, they just won't satisfy, so you eat more.
Exercise and meditation are great ways of taking care of yourself. When you feel strong and safe and pampered, the urge to overeat gets weaker.
Awareness is good, because using words activates the parts of your brain that are dedicated to logic, planning, choice, so you're strengthening those parts, not just allowing your emotional/primal pathways to run amok.
Taking time to sit down and enjoy your meal is good, but I think the "eat slowly" part is borderline ED.
I have never experienced taste fading when I eat. The last bite is just as wonderful as the first.13 -
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I'm so glad you liked it afterall - as I said, I have been thinking about you (in a non-creepy and non-stalky way, lol) and I was a bit taken aback by your initial response. I have the impression you are a warm and kind lady (your avatar does nothing to challenge my opinion), and I want you to be happy and not struggle so much, life is a series of problems to solve, but we have to have room to breathe inbetween the battles.6
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By the way, have you read this discussion? https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10694827/the-psychology-of-needing-to-eat-until-stuffed-a-discussion/ It keeps a very friendly tone, lots of interesting views have come up, and I think it can be relevant for you too, why don't you join in?4
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I have struggled with severe binge eating as well, and found that having a transitional phase where I was essentially having a controlled binge (I would eat what I wanted, but had to cook my foods rather than getting premade foods) really helped. Once I felt back under control, I then transitioned back into logging and eating at the correct calorie limit. I spent a month or two doing that, and experimented with finding alternatives that sometimes I found to be tastier than the heavier option (such as jelly instead of syrup on pancakes). It seems like you're working on a similar thing, so I think that's good. I've been in therapy for about five years working on this issues along with the underlying issues that have caused me to binge eat (decreasing in frequency, I have an appointment once a month now that's kind of a check-in, whereas before I was going once a week).
The only advice I would offer is to be easy on yourself if not all of the things you're planning pan out. Treat this as an experimental time, with your checklist as guidelines rather than rules and find what works for you and allows you to eat well. I would binge as punishment, and I wouldn't want that to happen to you as well.4 -
Ok
So there is SO much to touch on, thoughts I had
1. Stop referring to them as binges - call it a cheat meal, treats, high cal meal whatever you want but try not to associate as ‘binge’ because that comes with all sorts of negative connotations. Yes you have a ED, but also you are allowed to eat whatever food you like - it’s about eating in reasonable quantities and learning to nourish your body a try and take away the negative words if you can
2. Lots of sensible ideas (meditate and walk before, find which emotions you associate with it, blocking *kitten* family members etc etc - all good thoughts)
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-microwave brownie, uncooked (not sure what this product is but some low calorie brownie https://bromabakery.com/2013/04/37-calorie-brownies-and-no-im-not.html)
-uncooked cookie dough https://theskinnyfork.com/blog/edible-chocolate-chip-cookie-dough (or similar)
-1 pizza, (Margherita, BBQ Hawaiian or something fancy) stuffed crust with garlic bread or chips on the side, a bottle of coke no sugar/pepsi max. You can get protein based and cauliflower based pizza - I haven’t tried them sorry - or make your own fancy pizza on a wrap - there is something cathartic about cooking and you can use lots of fresh ingredients. Or, eat half a pizza - or even one slice less each time you eat (throw it away immediately so you don’t feel like you’re leaving any if that makes sense?), cook a mini garlic bread/half a one or throw away a little bit
-salt and vinegar chips and onion dip, some kind of candy, chocolate, soda - go for rich dark choc (you’ll hopefully eat less), small bowl of chips with dip (put them in a small bowl and put the bag away - you can always go back and have a second bowl but make a conscious serving size instead of eating the whole bag
-a big bag of caramel popcorn or coloured popcorn (actually hate eating this because I don't enjoy the texture once it starts to get caught in my throat, and I hate getting sticky hands) - make your own ? Might be able to reduce the calories
-hunger busters from McDonalds- caramel sundae with m&ms, big mac, cheese burger, large fries, large coke no sugar ... these ones are hard - there is nothing quite like maccas is there - maybe try throwing away 1/4 of the food, or just budget for it
-combo from burger king- either a whopper or hawaaian chicken burger with chips and a diet soda (they are large burgers) -
-flake supershake from wendys - maybe just a shake and a mini flake on top? Of a smaller size
-medium butter popcorn and diet soda and a big bag of m&ms (only when I go to the movies, but I've noticed that when I get food at the movies, I get too distracted by the desire to eat and don't pay close attention to the movies. Tried eating the same food at home and didn't find it appealing)
- just budget for these type of trips to the movies - these obviously won’t be every day or presumably even every week
-KFC- 2 piece quarter pack which is 2 pieces of chicken, chicken salt chips, potato & gravy, a bun, a diet soda. Or the 3 piece (?) which is an extra piece of chicken and the stuff listed before + a moro bar - I can’t help with this as I don’t eat kfc due to allergies
-These crispy noodle things that are like 1000 calories for a whole packet. I find it hard to stop after eating half a pack. You are supposed to add them to stirfrys or salad, but I don't have much self control. Probably supposed to split them into like 10 serves. - is it the crunch you like? Surely there are crisps or something equally crunchy and satisfying you can find that are lower cal?
-2 minute noodles. Often have 2 packets, plus the seasonings, mixed veges and extra soy sauce if I don't like the flavour in the packet - how about rice noodles? - or a noodle soup - maybe invest in a decent pad Thai or something and enjoy a nice meal instead of just the two minute noodles?
Anyway - I hope you enjoy your treats - and maybe try and budget one small one a day and then a treat meal at the weekend - that way you’re not talking yourself into the mentality of feeling like you’re going to have nothing left
Good luck :-)1 -
Didn’t even read this cause right off the bat it screamed eating disorder more so than helping an ED9
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Binging and restricting are two sides of a coin. One causes the other. Personally, I try to avoid both rather than set up fancy rules around them.7
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Bad idea. Fix the binge behavior if you want to successfully lose/maintain weight.
Best of luck.0 -
I want to add some more that I remembered. I used to have a really bad/ambivalent relationship with food (but it's fixed now; that's why I'm so engaged). In a transition phase, I used the expression "damage control". Today, it makes me cringe, but at that time, it was a great help. I'm not practicing it differently, not in principle, I have just named it differently - and I strongly feel that what we call things, is important - now I call it "making it easier to make better decisions, and harder to make bad decisions". This includes not having large amounts of "too easy to eat" foods in the house, eating regular, satisfying meals, getting enough rest, exercising moderately.
I couldn't sleep last night until I had some chocolate spread and chocolate chip cookies. Before, I would feel bad about it, deeply regret it, angry with myself, weak, and try to blot it out of my memory, and then eat some more just because I believed I was weak and felt sorry for myself, and to remove the temptation. And buy more later, in case I had visitors Now, I just log it. The difference is that I don't aim for perfection, and still, I have an overall much better diet.9 -
One of my kids works at Dunkin. They were open yesterday - we are in the area where Florence was at tropical storm level and a lot of places were closed - but didn't get a lot of business. He came home with boxes of donuts and a bag full of muffins. Check out yesterday's lunch:
https://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary?date=2018-09-14
and if you back up a day, I had some home baked brownie trouble the day before. I am very tempted to starve myself today, but I think I am better off with a normal breakfast (still had half a donut; weaning myself off ) and so far just a banana for a snack. I will have some baked chicken and salad for lunch. My goal is set to a deficit even though I am in maintenance, so I will wipe out the last couple of days within a couple of weeks and hopefully go a little lower before something like this happens again.
Here is what I think I have figured out about myself - letting something like that happen every week isn't sustainable because making up for it in under a week isn't sustainable. I actually got away with a few periods of that during the summer (which isn't quite over) by paddling SUP long distances every few days. Monday I went surfing and took enough of a beating not to paddle most of the week and then the weather turned nasty and I probably won't paddle until Tuesday. Uh oh - no big eraser this week. That's going to happen a lot of weeks in the winter; I am just not a gym rat and have knee trouble that ended my running.
There is a point to this rambling dialog; I don't plan to eat ~2000 calories of sweets per day 2 days in a row but I am going to react to it with discipline to right the ship, not plan for doing it again. That would be a very slippery slope. It happens unplanned; do you think allowing planned ones will stop the unplanned ones?4 -
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