Saxenda? UK

Justine2102
Justine2102 Posts: 23 Member
in Health and Weight Loss
Hi not sure if this was the right place to post but I'm looking at getting saxenda injections. Just wanted to know how people got on and if it is available on the NHS?
I have the funds to do one course of four weeks.
What did you loose in four weeks?
Is it worth it.
I have been on and off orlistat for about 4 Years and my weight is around the same as starting back then, no matter what I try?
Thank you

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  • Keto_Vampire
    Keto_Vampire Posts: 1,670 Member
    edited September 2018
    2.1-2.5kg is the typical weight loss range (this is with long term use; not intended as a short term therapy - tolerance to the nausea, vomiting, slowed gastric emptying rate can take as long as 48 weeks according to the references I've read). Not very realistic to be using if you have limited funds/lack of insurance coverage
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
    Justine2102 wrote: »
    Hi not sure if this was the right place to post but I'm looking at getting saxenda injections. Just wanted to know how people got on and if it is available on the NHS?
    I have the funds to do one course of four weeks.
    What did you loose in four weeks?
    Is it worth it.
    I have been on and off orlistat for about 4 Years and my weight is around the same as starting back then, no matter what I try?
    Thank you

    If you take a look at the NICE guidance it doesn't look as if it's being marketed into the NHS, just the private market. That probably suggests that it's not a silver bullet.

    You'll also note that it's an adjunct to calorie management, not a substitute.
  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,301 Member
    I've done some brief research having discovered your thread. I wonder if you've read the contraindications'? True the results seem spectacular but, the tests were set up in people without health issues, with bmi's over 27, many people on the trial did not complete the year, one asked why, no answer available in the literature. I found the possible side effects startling and had I been of a mind to try this product would have been enough to stop me.

    I don't like the idea of injecting with unknows substances. Having read yesterday of particles in standard vaccinations which can upset the immune system, I'm even more wary of what I put into my body. (Publication, "what doctors do not tell you", p 28, substantiated with references at the end of the article)

    Looking at the information on orlistat, gives the impression, of eat what you like and loose fats in excess of what your body needs to function and all will be well. Have you followed the instructions assiduously having kept your intake 500c's a day lower than you would normally consume? Even so the suggested weight loss is, 1lb a week. (52 weeks x4 years, should have seen up to 200 lb lost in that time scale) I tentatively suggest you have not been using this product in the way the manufacturers designed it and extrapolate from this, it is doubtful Saxenda injections would work any differently.

    I would propose you take a long hard look at what you are putting your body through. Log the meals you are currently eating without any chemical support for weight loss, in the guided format and see what happens. See how your principal food groups balance out on a daily and weekly basis and where there are discrepancies make simple changes and track developments.

    I hope you have not been entrapped by the undue influence of the cat walk, "the thinner the better" a woman needs to have a bmi in the region of 22/3 for the systems to function properly. How many of those models will have increased risks of health problems in their 50'/60's than the average woman? Menopause is when many issues surface regrettably.

    I hope you find a safe way to address any dietary issues you have. Please take care of your body because its the only one you have.
  • ruqayyahsmum
    ruqayyahsmum Posts: 1,513 Member
    Im sorry but if it had been proven effective then NICE would have recommended together NHS prescribe it the same as orlistat (which your results show hasn't been all that effective for you)

    As others have said please set a realistic calorie deficit and stick to it for a month weighing and accurately logging in your calorie intake and see where your weight is after the months up
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
    ruqayyahsmum wrote: »
    Im sorry but if it had been proven effective then NICE would have recommended together NHS prescribe it the same as orlistat (which your results show hasn't been all that effective for you)

    If you read the NICE commentary it specifically states that the manufacturer prioritises private market, so no recommendation is made. NICE aren't going to recommend a position in public health provision if the manufacturer doesn't see a market there.
  • Justine2102
    Justine2102 Posts: 23 Member
    I have been on and off for years. When the weight plateos that's when it seems to come back on.
    I am at a bmi of 31.
    I attend slimming world and use the gym 2-3 times a week.
    I know it takes hard work and dedication.
    I do have a calorie deficit yes.
    I have the tried and for me I am absolutely defeated.
    I am only considering this out of pure desperation.
    Orlistat did work, yes but obviously lbs creeper back on as you have to continuously loose in order to keep on them.
  • Justine2102
    Justine2102 Posts: 23 Member
    Fuzzipeg wrote: »
    I've done some brief research having discovered your thread. I wonder if you've read the contraindications'? True the results seem spectacular but, the tests were set up in people without health issues, with bmi's over 27, many people on the trial did not complete the year, one asked why, no answer available in the literature. I found the possible side effects startling and had I been of a mind to try this product would have been enough to stop me.

    I don't like the idea of injecting with unknows substances. Having read yesterday of particles in standard vaccinations which can upset the immune system, I'm even more wary of what I put into my body. (Publication, "what doctors do not tell you", p 28, substantiated with references at the end of the article)

    Looking at the information on orlistat, gives the impression, of eat what you like and loose fats in excess of what your body needs to function and all will be well. Have you followed the instructions assiduously having kept your intake 500c's a day lower than you would normally consume? Even so the suggested weight loss is, 1lb a week. (52 weeks x4 years, should have seen up to 200 lb lost in that time scale) I tentatively suggest you have not been using this product in the way the manufacturers designed it and extrapolate from this, it is doubtful Saxenda injections would work any differently.

    I would propose you take a long hard look at what you are putting your body through. Log the meals you are currently eating without any chemical support for weight loss, in the guided format and see what happens. See how your principal food groups balance out on a daily and weekly basis and where there are discrepancies make simple changes and track developments.

    I hope you have not been entrapped by the undue influence of the cat walk, "the thinner the better" a woman needs to have a bmi in the region of 22/3 for the systems to function properly. How many of those models will have increased risks of health problems in their 50'/60's than the average woman? Menopause is when many issues surface regrettably.

    I hope you find a safe way to address any dietary issues you have. Please take care of your body because its the only one you have.

    Eating what you like on orlistat, is a definite no no unless you want to be on the toilet all day, you have to worth with it.
    Yes your probably right 'skinny is better ' outlook.
    I am just completely desperate.
  • Justine2102
    Justine2102 Posts: 23 Member
    MeanderingMammal wrote: »
    Justine2102 wrote: »
    Hi not sure if this was the right place to post but I'm looking at getting saxenda injections. Just wanted to know how people got on and if it is available on the NHS?
    I have the funds to do one course of four weeks.
    What did you loose in four weeks?
    Is it worth it.
    I have been on and off orlistat for about 4 Years and my weight is around the same as starting back then, no matter what I try?
    Thank you

    If you take a look at the NICE guidance it doesn't look as if it's being marketed into the NHS, just the private market. That probably suggests that it's not a silver bullet.

    You'll also note that it's an adjunct to calorie management, not a substitute.

    Yes I do note that and as so I will continue to use a calorie deficit, I certainly wouldn't waste that medication.
    Wether I have to pay for it myself or not, there wouldn't be much use in doing it if not doing so properly.
  • Justine2102
    Justine2102 Posts: 23 Member
    manderson27 wrote: »
    Why not try a month of eating at a calorie deficit before parting with your money? You will still have to eat at a calorie deficit while injecting yourself with the chemicals in the Sandexa anyway.

    You say you have tried a diet medication before and it didn't work so what makes you think this time will be any different?

    Put your stats into MFP to lose 1-2 lbs a week depending on how much you need to lose. Weigh and measure everything you eat. Log your foods accurately. Keep to your calorie goal and you will lose weight. I have lost 27 pounds so far doing this and you could as well.

    Well done!! That's brilliant!!
    I had lost around 10lbs a few months ago but they have crept back on.
    I just thought maybe trying something different may help?
    I am looking to get the orlistat back, I went last week and have lost 2.5lb the filling week . Just need to get a further 4.5lb off to get those again.
  • MandyxSchmitz
    MandyxSchmitz Posts: 29 Member
    edited September 2018
    I've tried using Saxenda before, two months of trying and it didn't do squat. I was restricting my calories and losing weight because of that but the injections didn't do anything to curb my appetite so what I lost was all my effort anyway. I wouldn't waste the money to be honest.
  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,301 Member
    I wonder why you are so desperate to achieve something which does not seem to be sustainable for you even in the short term? "Skinnier the better" is not going to be healthy in the long term. Turning to expensive weight loss products is not a good way of life. I question the medical advisers who have provided scripts enabling you to use orlistat for 4 years!

    I speak as a little old lady who has health issues and fear you may be setting up troubles for yourself in later life. You look such a lovely young person, assuming the picture is of yourself, you should be able to achieve so much. I think my (4 older) granddaughters are about your age or a little older. I'm saying nothing different to you than I would say to any of them. Please take care of yourself, even if it means talking to someone who specialises in body image, you could be laying down health issues which will dog your more mature years and could well get in the way of your aims and ambitions.

    In my day it was the thing, to look like Twiggy or Jean Shrimpton, only most of us were never intended to be that way. Too many of my vintage have fallen by the wayside, one lived on chemical shakes, till her liver failed. I want better for others than befell some of my friends in the pursuit of so called perfection at the expense of their health.
  • collectingblues
    collectingblues Posts: 2,541 Member
    Justine2102 wrote: »
    manderson27 wrote: »
    Why not try a month of eating at a calorie deficit before parting with your money? You will still have to eat at a calorie deficit while injecting yourself with the chemicals in the Sandexa anyway.

    You say you have tried a diet medication before and it didn't work so what makes you think this time will be any different?

    Put your stats into MFP to lose 1-2 lbs a week depending on how much you need to lose. Weigh and measure everything you eat. Log your foods accurately. Keep to your calorie goal and you will lose weight. I have lost 27 pounds so far doing this and you could as well.

    Well done!! That's brilliant!!
    I had lost around 10lbs a few months ago but they have crept back on.
    I just thought maybe trying something different may help?
    I am looking to get the orlistat back, I went last week and have lost 2.5lb the filling week . Just need to get a further 4.5lb off to get those again.

    Did you consistently weigh and track your food since losing the first time?
  • Justine2102
    Justine2102 Posts: 23 Member
    Fuzzipeg wrote: »
    I wonder why you are so desperate to achieve something which does not seem to be sustainable for you even in the short term? "Skinnier the better" is not going to be healthy in the long term. Turning to expensive weight loss products is not a good way of life. I question the medical advisers who have provided scripts enabling you to use orlistat for 4 years!

    I speak as a little old lady who has health issues and fear you may be setting up troubles for yourself in later life. You look such a lovely young person, assuming the picture is of yourself, you should be able to achieve so much. I think my (4 older) granddaughters are about your age or a little older. I'm saying nothing different to you than I would say to any of them. Please take care of yourself, even if it means talking to someone who specialises in body image, you could be laying down health issues which will dog your more mature years and could well get in the way of your aims and ambitions.

    In my day it was the thing, to look like Twiggy or Jean Shrimpton, only most of us were never intended to be that way. Too many of my vintage have fallen by the wayside, one lived on chemical shakes, till her liver failed. I want better for others than befell some of my friends in the pursuit of so called perfection at the expense of their health.

    Thank you, that is nice to hear and yes that is me.
    I know and it may sound shallow but after I had my kids I never had this problem, I was happy not skinny skinny just a nice normal.i guess I just want to go back to that way.
    I do understand your viewpoint completely. But the feeling and the desire doesn't shift.
    I turned to other drugs for a while purely to loose weight. I'll be honest here.
    Not healthy I know. Didn't help obviously but when your desperate what will you do?
    Thank you you seem like a lovely person also x
  • Justine2102
    Justine2102 Posts: 23 Member
    collectingblues wrote: »
    Justine2102 wrote: »
    manderson27 wrote: »
    Why not try a month of eating at a calorie deficit before parting with your money? You will still have to eat at a calorie deficit while injecting yourself with the chemicals in the Sandexa anyway.

    You say you have tried a diet medication before and it didn't work so what makes you think this time will be any different?

    Put your stats into MFP to lose 1-2 lbs a week depending on how much you need to lose. Weigh and measure everything you eat. Log your foods accurately. Keep to your calorie goal and you will lose weight. I have lost 27 pounds so far doing this and you could as well.

    Well done!! That's brilliant!!
    I had lost around 10lbs a few months ago but they have crept back on.
    I just thought maybe trying something different may help?
    I am looking to get the orlistat back, I went last week and have lost 2.5lb the filling week . Just need to get a further 4.5lb off to get those again.

    Did you consistently weigh and track your food since losing the first time?

    Consistently probably not.
    I did do the only meat diet also. That was horrendous!!
    I have a busy life, 2 children a 2 year old to contend with at the moment so I sometimes don't find the time. Although I do try
  • Justine2102
    Justine2102 Posts: 23 Member
    MandyxSchmitz wrote: »
    I've tried using Saxenda before, two months of trying and it didn't do squat. I was restricting my calories and losing weight because of that but the injections didn't do anything to curb my appetite so what I lost was all my effort anyway. I wouldn't waste the money to be honest.

    Thank you for that. Will help upon making my decition.
    Did you find you lost more than you usually would without them?

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