Eating clean wording
Iragen
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Just so happened to see someons comment about multiple people disagreeing with the term.
Basically wanted to know if anyone has similar feelings on the wording or has heard similar opinions? Is eating "clean" a frowned upon phrasing now? If so, why? I imagine its just the idea of eat in a deficit of balance portions of proteins, carbs and good fats and utilize self control when it comes to desserts, snacks and junk food (high carb/processed stuff) but it sounds like people see it as too vague or something. Thoughts?
Basically wanted to know if anyone has similar feelings on the wording or has heard similar opinions? Is eating "clean" a frowned upon phrasing now? If so, why? I imagine its just the idea of eat in a deficit of balance portions of proteins, carbs and good fats and utilize self control when it comes to desserts, snacks and junk food (high carb/processed stuff) but it sounds like people see it as too vague or something. Thoughts?
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Ask a vegan what "clean eating" is.
Ask a vegetarian what "clean eating" is.
Ask an ovo-lacto vegetarian what "clean eating" is.
Ask a pescatarian what "clean eating" is.
Ask a low-fat dieter what "clean eating" is.
Ask a keto dieter what "clean eating" is.
Ask a Paleo dieter what "clean eating" is.
Ask an IIFYM dieter what "clean eating" is.
See if any of their definitions are the same.16 -
The term is so poorly defined as to be meaningless. Your personal definition may seem perfectly reasonable to you, but someone else's definition may be completely different.
For example, I've seen it defined as
* No processed foods
* No foods in a box
* Foods with only X ingredients or less
* Foods with only ingredients you can pronounce
* Foods only from the outer perimeter of the supermarket.
* Foods that have been washed
* and even more
It's just not a helpful term.7 -
The term is so poorly defined as to be meaningless. Your personal definition may seem perfectly reasonable to you, but someone else's definition may be completely different.
For example, I've seen it defined as
* No processed foods
* No foods in a box
* Foods with only X ingredients or less
I've also seen "no ingredients you can't pronounce" as a criterion. So scientists/chemists can eat pretty much anything, French and Vietnamese food are completely out for me, and I guess illiterate people just go hungry.15 -
The term is so poorly defined as to be meaningless. Your personal definition may seem perfectly reasonable to you, but someone else's definition may be completely different.
For example, I've seen it defined as
* No processed foods
* No foods in a box
* Foods with only X ingredients or less
I've also seen "no ingredients you can't pronounce" as a criterion. So scientists/chemists can eat pretty much anything, French and Vietnamese food are completely out for me, and I guess illiterate people just go hungry.
Indeed. I'm got fat on account of my excellent diction and voluminous vocabulary.24 -
I think "clean eating" is a term that is not only vague and ambiguous, it's restrictive and self-righteous. I have never heard your definition before. I believe dividing foods into good and bad, healthy and unhealthy, clean and processed (note how similar that word looks to possessed), only creates or exacerbates food fear, which in turn can lead to emotional eating and overeating just from desperation. After all, eating is supposed to be enjoyable, and tempting food is all around us, our decision to eat or not eat, is always our own, so we need to feel in control of our eating, and true knowledge is so important in order to make good decisions. It's not the only thing needed - we also need self control, and that can be hard to exert sometimes - but it's very hard to exert self control when we're scared and feel deprived and surrounded with goodies we think we shouldn't have.7
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The term is so poorly defined as to be meaningless. Your personal definition may seem perfectly reasonable to you, but someone else's definition may be completely different.
For example, I've seen it defined as
* No processed foods
* No foods in a box
* Foods with only X ingredients or less
I've also seen "no ingredients you can't pronounce" as a criterion. So scientists/chemists can eat pretty much anything, French and Vietnamese food are completely out for me, and I guess illiterate people just go hungry.
Indeed. I'm got fat on account of my excellent diction and voluminous vocabulary.
I restrict my intake of Dinitrogen Tetroxide and Trinitrotoluene, even though I can pronounce both of them.
Fortunately I'm semi-fluent in Spanish, which means that virtually all Mexican foods are "clean" for my diet by the pronunciation criterion - and I can pronounce all the Japanese names for things at an AYCE sushi bar too!8 -
The term is so poorly defined as to be meaningless. Your personal definition may seem perfectly reasonable to you, but someone else's definition may be completely different.
For example, I've seen it defined as
* No processed foods
* No foods in a box
* Foods with only X ingredients or less
I've also seen "no ingredients you can't pronounce" as a criterion. So scientists/chemists can eat pretty much anything, French and Vietnamese food are completely out for me, and I guess illiterate people just go hungry.
Indeed. I'm got fat on account of my excellent diction and voluminous vocabulary.
I restrict my intake of Dinitrogen Tetroxide and Trinitrotoluene, even though I can pronounce both of them.
Fortunately I'm semi-fluent in Spanish, which means that virtually all Mexican foods are "clean" for my diet by the pronunciation criterion - and I can pronounce all the Japanese names for things at an AYCE sushi bar too!
That makes me wonder if Italian food is "clean" if you have a New Jersey accent...5 -
The term is so poorly defined as to be meaningless. Your personal definition may seem perfectly reasonable to you, but someone else's definition may be completely different.
For example, I've seen it defined as
* No processed foods
* No foods in a box
* Foods with only X ingredients or less
I've also seen "no ingredients you can't pronounce" as a criterion. So scientists/chemists can eat pretty much anything, French and Vietnamese food are completely out for me, and I guess illiterate people just go hungry.
Indeed. I'm got fat on account of my excellent diction and voluminous vocabulary.
I restrict my intake of Dinitrogen Tetroxide and Trinitrotoluene, even though I can pronounce both of them.
Fortunately I'm semi-fluent in Spanish, which means that virtually all Mexican foods are "clean" for my diet by the pronunciation criterion - and I can pronounce all the Japanese names for things at an AYCE sushi bar too!
That makes me wonder if Italian food is "clean" if you have a New Jersey accent...
Fuhgeddaboutit!4 -
My issue with "clean" is not the vagueness (it means different things to different people). Defining your own eating structure based on your own experiences and preferences is a good thing. My problem is the implication of the word "clean" and its antonym "dirty".
This kind of black and white mentality can potentially be harmful. It creates opposites of good and bad, slimming and fattening, healthy and unhealthy, virtuous and sinful...etc. It's an emotionally charged word that can make the person judge themselves and others by their eating choices and fail to look at the big picture. It also makes people more open to listening to quacks who operate through fearmongering.
Here are just some of the issues that may arise in varying degrees:
- Anxiety around food, especially in social situations
- Irrational fear or disdain for some foods, ingredients, and/or macros
- All or nothing mentality (if I have a cookie, my day is ruined)
- Harsh self-judgement for minor deviations
- Trying to adhere to rules that may not be a good fit for the individual which makes dieting harder
- Awkward social interactions like judging others silently or verbally, like directly or indirectly calling their food "garbage" or "poison"
- Inability to look at nutrition as the sum of all parts, and looking at single foods instead, which can greatly limit nutritional choices in extreme cases.
- It ignores mental health as an essential part of health. Not all foods are eaten for their nutrients.
...and many others.
It's not about food choices, it's about the mentality. Two people may be eating very similar diets, but the way a clean eater perceives what they're doing is different and emotionally charged.
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Just so happened to see someons comment about multiple people disagreeing with the term.
Basically wanted to know if anyone has similar feelings on the wording or has heard similar opinions? Is eating "clean" a frowned upon phrasing now? If so, why? I imagine its just the idea of eat in a deficit of balance portions of proteins, carbs and good fats and utilize self control when it comes to desserts, snacks and junk food (high carb/processed stuff) but it sounds like people see it as too vague or something. Thoughts?
Your definition isn’t one I’ve ever seen utilized to describe “clean eating” and that just illustrates how subjective the term is. While your approach seems reasonable and much how many people here actually do eat - it lacks the arbitrary “no” rules that seem to be the common denominator for anyone describing themselves as a clean eater. Plus the moral superiority of such a label as pointed out above.
It is possible to eat a varied, balanced, nutrient dense diet even if some of the foods comprising that diet are “processed” (because again that word is vague and unhelpful as a qualifier). Frozen vegetables, steel cut oats, lean chicken breast, baby carrots, bagged salad, quinoa - these are all things that some “clean eaters” would and have eschewed on these boards as “processed” while still including things like protein powder in their daily diary.
The way you are eating is fine and just copy and paste it if you don’t want to type it out every time you describe your diet. But calling it “clean eating” won’t be helpful, to you or anyone else.6 -
Ask a vegan what "clean eating" is.
Ask a vegetarian what "clean eating" is.
Ask an ovo-lacto vegetarian what "clean eating" is.
Ask a pescatarian what "clean eating" is.
Ask a low-fat dieter what "clean eating" is.
Ask a keto dieter what "clean eating" is.
Ask a Paleo dieter what "clean eating" is.
Ask an IIFYM dieter what "clean eating" is.
See if any of their definitions are the same.
Hell.
Ask 10 vegetarians to define "clean" and you will get a dozen answers.
It's an ambiguous, but loaded term. If I don't eat clean I must eat "dirty" and too often it is portrayed simply as one or the other. No middle ground is allowed in the discussion. So those who push "clean" eating will absolutely look down on someone who chooses to allocate some of their calories to chips/wine/scotch/cheese or what ever "indulgence" someone chooses.
My issue with your definition would be including a deficit. That's good for weight loss but really isn't part of "clean" eating (again, whatever that is).
What you are doing is fine. It just really doesn't need a definition.
ETA, here is a thread that mirrors my thoughts on the topic
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10498878/looking-for-friends-who-dont-eat-clean-and-healthy#latest
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My clean eating involves following the five-second rule (most of the time).8
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To me clean eating doesn't really mean anything. When I hear someone say they are "eating clean" I assume they mean they eat mostly from scratch stuff and nothing like rice a roni, boxed mac n cheese, frozen pizza etc. But everyone has a different idea on what it means, that's why, to me, it really doesn't mean anything. I also hear people say they have to read the ingredients and if it has any "weird chemical sounding" ingredients then they don't get it.
The way of eating you described is a sensible way to eat and that doesn't scream "clean eating" to me personally.0 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »My clean eating involves following the five-second rule (most of the time).
In my house, the dog has gupled it down if I wait the 5 seconds.7 -
Just so happened to see someons comment about multiple people disagreeing with the term.
Basically wanted to know if anyone has similar feelings on the wording or has heard similar opinions? Is eating "clean" a frowned upon phrasing now? If so, why? I imagine its just the idea of eat in a deficit of balance portions of proteins, carbs and good fats and utilize self control when it comes to desserts, snacks and junk food (high carb/processed stuff) but it sounds like people see it as too vague or something. Thoughts?
Just about every time I have heard someone use the phrase "eat clean" they don't mean anything in bold. They just mean they cut out "dirty" foods which is a vague term. There are a ton of people that think as long as you avoid certain "dirty" foods you will lose weight regardless of how much you eat or balancing macros or anything else. I'm talking about people who do nothing except completely avoid white foods, or carbs, or fat, or processed foods, or fast food, or...... It is a worthless way of describing what you need to do to lose weight or be healthy. Your "utilize self control" is exactly what people need to do but it doesn't fit into anyone's description of "eating clean".5 -
Here on MFP I've seen clean eating defined in a few different ways. These are all answers given by users when asked what clean eating is. Some of them have been formatted to fit the list better, but many of them are copy/pasted directly from their original posts. Be sure to read to the end, where things really start to diverge.
*Nothing but minimally processed foods.
*Absolutely no processed foods.
*Shop only the outside of the grocery store.
*Nothing out of a box, jar, or can.
*Only food that's not in a box or hermetically sealed bag, or from e.g. McDonald's.
*No take-out or junk food at all.
*Nothing at all with a barcode.
*Nothing with more than 5 ingredients.
*Nothing with more than 4 ingredients.
*Nothing with more than 3 ingredients.
*Nothing with more than 1 ingredient.
*No added preservatives.
*No added chemicals.
*No chemicals, preservatives, etc. at all.
*No ingredients that you can't pronounce.
*No ingredients that sound like they came out of a chemistry book.
*Nothing that is processed and comes in a package or wrapper, or has any ingredient that sounds scientific.
*Don't eat products that have a TV commercial.
*Don't eat foods that have a mascot.
*If it grows or had a mother, it is ok to eat it.
*Don't eat products that have a longer shelf life than you do.
*Eat "food" and not "food-like substances."
*No added sugar.
*No added refined sugar.
*Swap white sugar for brown.
*No "white" foods.
*Nothing but lean meats, fruits, and vegetables.
*Nothing but lean meats, fruits, vegetables, and beans.
*A plant-based whole food diet.
*Eat foods as close to their natural state as POSSIBLE, and little to no processed food.
*Only meat from grass-fed animals and free-range chickens.
*Only pesticide-free foods.
*Nothing that causes your body bloat or inflammation.
*No trigger foods, nothing from fast food chains, nothing in the junk food aisles, and no high gmo foods.
*No red meat, no sweets, no pasta, no alcohol, no bread, no soda, nothing but fresh fruits and vegetables, complex carbohydrates and lean proteins.
*Eat a plant based diet consisting of whole plant foods.
*No bad carbs and processed foods.
*Anything that makes a better choice.
*Not cheating on whatever diet you are on.
*Any food that doesn't make it difficult to hit your macro/micro targets.
*Clean eating means eating optimally.
I like to note that under some of those definitions, Fritos are a clean food (only 3 ingredients). Under some of them, eggs and pistachios are not.
No, I don't find it a useful descriptor. It's been redefined and watered down so many times that it's worthless as any kind of indicator of what you eat.12 -
Wow this really is something all over the place. I didn't think of it in all of these different ways since I assumed the core factor was "listen to your body, how it reacts and eat like I mentioned above", but also thinking thats for regular folks vs people who are under 14% body fat in strong athletic shape working out and or doing manual labor 7 days a week who probably have some unrealistic (i say that because they can both make the time and afford the diet) approach...
But all these responses show that its no where near that simple. Guess it would explain why my dietician never really restricted me from foods, but would just tell me to monitor my portions on my plate and minimize sweets.
Thanks to everyone who responded!9 -
I just eat.... try to eat 80 percent minimal to moderately processed 20 percent wth i want. To each their own I guess. Well I also like the minimal and moderately processed foods as well. So, I guess I eat wth i want. Huh 🤔2
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